Since nobody bothered:

1. Alabama (10-0)

2. Clemson (9-1)

3. Miami (9-0)

4.. Oklahoma (9-1)

5. Wisconsin (10-0)

6. Auburn (8-2)

7. Georgia (9-1)

8. Notre Dame (8-2)

9. Ohio State (8-2)

10. Penn State (8-2)

11. Southern California (9-2)

12. TCU (8-2)

13. Oklahoma State (8-2)

14. Washington State (9-2)

15. Central Florida (9-0)

16. Mississippi State (7-3)

17. Michigan State (7-3)

18. Washington (8-2)

19. N.C. State (7-3)

20. LSU (7-3)

21. Memphis (8-1)

22. Stanford (7-3)

23. Northwestern (7-3)

24. Michigan (8-2)

25. Boise State (8-2)

Just a couple more wins until we're in the hunt for the top 4.

No clue how Clemson is #2. Should be:

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. Georgia

5. Oklahoma
6. Clemson
7. Auburn

(11-14-2017 10:32 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  No clue how Clemson is #2. Should be:

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. Georgia

5. Oklahoma
6. Clemson
7. Auburn

sorry but record alone doesn't determine how good you are. Wisconsin hasn't played anyone this year at all. I'm glad that just because you have a -0 you don't necessarily have to be highly ranked. Wisconsin's schedule just isn't the same as the others.

(11-14-2017 10:32 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  No clue how Clemson is #2. Should be:

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. Georgia

5. Oklahoma
6. Clemson
7. Auburn

Clemson is 100% top 4.

Auburn beat Georgia by 23 points and if not for a TD in the final 2 minutes it was a true 30 point ass whipping.

Wisconsin Is still light in the schedule. They have a chance to change that coming up. If they win out they are in. As it stands they have 1 top 25 win.

Oklahoma has 3 top 12-15 wins.

(11-14-2017 10:32 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  No clue how Clemson is #2. Should be:

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. Georgia

Why is Alabama ranked ahead of Miami, when Miami has clearly a bigger win than anything Alabama has?

Because they are Alabama, and so they get the benefit of the doubt. Similarly, Clemson is Clemson, so they too get the benefit of the doubt.

And no, I'm not talking about benefit because of "brand name". Clemson isn't as big a brand name as any of the other teams in the top four. This is earned benefit, the benefit that comes with finishing national champ and national runner-up the past two seasons.

Alabama and Clemson not only have made the playoffs the past two years, they are each 3-1 in the playoffs during that time. So they have built up a big reservoir of earned good-will in the CFP. Like it or not, talk all you want about "last year shouldn't impact this year", but they have.

Any of these seven teams is in for sure if they win out.

The playoff will be SEC champ, ACC champ, OU, and Wisconsin unless one or more of those four fails to win out.

Only if at least one of those fails to win out is there anything significant to argue about.

Quote:1. Alabama (10-0)
2. Clemson (9-1)
3. Miami (9-0)
4. Oklahoma (9-1)
5. Wisconsin (10-0)
6. Auburn (8-2)
7. Georgia (9-1)

(11-14-2017 10:32 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  No clue how Clemson is #2. Should be:

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. Georgia

5. Oklahoma
6. Clemson
7. Auburn

Seven wins against the Top 25 gets Clemson in the top 4.

Funny, people talked about Bama and Georgia. If Clemson beats Miami by three or less, could the ACC have two teams? I think Ok and Wisc would both have to lose but it could get interesting.

(11-14-2017 11:13 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Funny, people talked about Bama and Georgia. If Clemson beats Miami by three or less, could the ACC have two teams? I think Ok and Wisc would both have to lose but it could get interesting.

I don't see it as of right now. It was discussed and it's possible with a little chaos. As of now most believe that is an elimination game. The schedule kind of balanced out for Clemson.

Louisville is 6-4 NR.
VT is NR.

The Auburn win and the NC State wins are propelling them at the moment.

There is still a lot of football to be played for the top 7 right now though.

#1 Alabama vs Mercer and @ #6 Auburn.
#2 Clemson @ South Carolina.
#3 Miami vs Virginia and @ Pitt.
#4 Oklahoma @ Kansas and vs West Virginia.
#5 Wisconsin vs Michigan and @ Minnesota.
#6 Auburn vs ULM and vs #1 Alabama.
#7 Georgia vs Kentucky and @ Georgia Tech.

The biggest issue I see right now is that since Virginia Tech got knocked out of the top 25 by Georgia Tech it gives Miami 1 top win.

1. Bethune-Cookman FCS W 41-3
2. Toledo- respectable G5 W 52-30
3. Duke 4-6 (1-5) W 31-6
4. @ FSU 3-6 (3-5) W 24-20
5. Georgia Tech 5-4 (4-3) W 25-24
6. Syracuse 4-6 (2-4) W 27-19
7. @ North Carolina 2-8 (1-6) W 24-19
8. Virginia Tech 7-3 (3-3) W 28-10 (This one stings because of the Georgia Tech loss, it knocked Virginia Tech out of the rankings)
9. #8 Notre Dame 8-2 W 41-8

They have this left.

10. Virginia 6-4 (3-3)
11. @ Pitt 4-6 (2-4)

Other than the Championship game they really don't have anything left to impress the committee with. Also, since Virginia Tech plays @ Virginia in their final game of the season it'll leave Virginia @ .500 (If Miami and Virginia Tech beats them) or if Virginia wins it will keep Virginia Tech out of the rankings, leaving them with 1 top 25 win and they need to hope Notre Dame can win out against Navy and @ Stanford to keep it that way. I just don't see enough there with them having a loss to keep them in even if its a loss in the ACC Championship game.

Like I said though, there is so much football left to be played.

Alabama could beat Auburn and Auburn is done.
South Carolina could beat Clemson and they would probably be done when paired with the Syracuse loss.
Michigan and Ohio State could both beat Wisconsin.
Oklahoma could lose to WVU and either TCU or Oklahoma State in the Big 12 champ game.
Miami could lose to UVA or Pitt.
Georgia could lose to Kentucky or Georgia Tech.

We have already seen a few crazy things happen. Still a ton that could happen to shuffle the teams up a bit more.

(11-14-2017 11:12 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Seven wins against the Top 25 gets Clemson in the top 4.

Seven wins against the top 25 would get anyone in the top 4. But, Clemson has 7 wins against teams with records of .500 or better, not 7 wins against teams in the top 25.

(11-14-2017 11:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:12 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Seven wins against the Top 25 gets Clemson in the top 4.

Seven wins against the top 25 would get anyone in the top 4. But, Clemson has 7 wins against teams with records of .500 or better, not 7 wins against teams in the top 25.

True enough. If Clemson had 7 top 25 wins the CFP Committee HQ would be on fire right now for having them so low at #2 LOL. Hell, they'd already be a lock .

The injury thing as a defense of Clemson's ranking is baloney. Just silly. Yes, quarterback is an important position. Obviously. But if you're going to start examining losses that closely, you'll be playing the speculation game forever.

Penn State lost our starting DE on the first play of the OSU game. Think that had anything to do with our lack of pressure on Barrett during his magical 4th quarter (16/16, 3 TDs)?

We lost our starting OT in the 3rd quarter. Think that had anything to do with our inability to run the ball and drain the clock in the 4th quarter of a game we led by three scores?

I'm not saying...I'm just saying.

(11-15-2017 01:19 AM)micahandme Wrote:  The injury thing as a defense of Clemson's ranking is baloney. Just silly. Yes, quarterback is an important position. Obviously. But if you're going to start examining losses that closely, you'll be playing the speculation game forever.

Penn State lost our starting DE on the first play of the OSU game. Think that had anything to do with our lack of pressure on Barrett during his magical 4th quarter (16/16, 3 TDs)?

We lost our starting OT in the 3rd quarter. Think that had anything to do with our inability to run the ball and drain the clock in the 4th quarter of a game we led by three scores?

I'm not saying...I'm just saying.

I think you're right ... particularly when the other team legitimately knocks a player out. That's football, and shows dominance.

Now, if the injury is a freak thing or result of a cheap shot/late hit or targeting, that's a different story. But if your QB goes out because the defense is putting good hits on him, that loss of QB reflects your inability to protect him, and thus is a legit negative in terms of your quality as a team.

(11-15-2017 07:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 01:19 AM)micahandme Wrote:  The injury thing as a defense of Clemson's ranking is baloney. Just silly. Yes, quarterback is an important position. Obviously. But if you're going to start examining losses that closely, you'll be playing the speculation game forever.

Penn State lost our starting DE on the first play of the OSU game. Think that had anything to do with our lack of pressure on Barrett during his magical 4th quarter (16/16, 3 TDs)?

We lost our starting OT in the 3rd quarter. Think that had anything to do with our inability to run the ball and drain the clock in the 4th quarter of a game we led by three scores?

I'm not saying...I'm just saying.

I think you're right ... particularly when the other team legitimately knocks a player out. That's football, and shows dominance.

Now, if the injury is a freak thing or result of a cheap shot/late hit or targeting, that's a different story. But if your QB goes out because the defense is putting good hits on him, that loss of QB reflects your inability to protect him, and thus is a legit negative in terms of your quality as a team.

They apply it when they want to and don't when they don't. Its just another subjective way to pick who they want to pick.

(11-14-2017 11:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:12 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Seven wins against the Top 25 gets Clemson in the top 4.

Seven wins against the top 25 would get anyone in the top 4. But, Clemson has 7 wins against teams with records of .500 or better, not 7 wins against teams in the top 25.

I believe Hocutt also mentioned 3 of the wins were away games which also helped. Also, when the CFP was originated, they said they take key injuries into account. That is why I think Clemson is getting a pass on Syracuse, the starting QB was knocked out with a concussion early in the 2nd half. In addition, I think they lost there starting kicker a week or two before that game for the season. Not as important as the QB loss but may still play a factor.

(11-14-2017 10:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Any of these seven teams is in for sure if they win out.

The playoff will be SEC champ, ACC champ, OU, and Wisconsin unless one or more of those four fails to win out.

Only if at least one of those fails to win out is there anything significant to argue about.

Quote:1. Alabama (10-0)
2. Clemson (9-1)
3. Miami (9-0)
4. Oklahoma (9-1)
5. Wisconsin (10-0)
6. Auburn (8-2)
7. Georgia (9-1)

Agree. Committee could have an easy job this year. ACC champ, SEC champ, Big 10 champ, Big 12 champ without much controversy. But if Wiscy or OU lose suddenly we are talking about 2 loss champs (other than Auburn who would be on an impressive roll) or 2 loss non-champs or 1 loss non champs losing in the CCG.

well just OU and Wisconsin-
OU has a 53.7% chance of winning out
Wisconsin has a 21.4% chance of winning out

So only a 11% chance both win out. There's a 36% chance that both lose a game.

I don't know why folks are so quick to put Alabama out if they lose to Auburn. Did folks not see just last year with Ohio St? Sorry but I don't see any of Ohio St, USC, Washington, Washington St, Penn St, Oklahoma St, TCU, or Notre Dame beating out even a 11-1 Alabama team.

Yeah definitely. Alabama is probably the one team that can lose and feel pretty good about not needing a ton of help.

And there definitely will be more upsets the next three weeks.

I would say likely four (in no order): SEC Champ, ACC Champ, Oklahoma, Wisconsin

However, if Alabama were to lose to Auburn by a couple points (especially in overtime), then I'd say the SEC Champ, Alabama, undefeated Miami or 1-loss Clemson, undefeated Wisconsin