(11-14-2017 04:49 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  So tell me, do you follow Tubby from school to school?

starting to think this is a ron bell situation like Pastner had...

Cal and Fuente did so much more for Memphis than Tubby ever did for Minnesota and we don't have fans arguing on other message boards about how great they are...

So much more? At any cost I feel. The problem is that no one outside of Memphis and Lexington like Cal. I moved to MN at the same time as Tubby did. There are some people who follow him from school to school but they don't come here because this board is filled with negativity and lots of speculations. Facts are unknown here. there is a guy whose name is Sam. He follows Tubby and tried to post here a few times but gave up. He still posts stuff at TT board and people love him. He is from MotorCity.

yeah..Funny you should mention Motor City Sam. I remember him well. Sam first posted on Roar. He could roll those Tubby stats right off the top of his head.

When our situation became uncertain at the end of last season, MCitySam started arguing with the 'information people' on Roar--questioning their veracity.

Reckon he got told to shut up about that, but he stopped posting and came here for awhile.


Here's part of one of his posts in the Tubby good times:

Motor City Sam said; "I think you're right. One thing I can say about Coach Smith after following him for years is that there is always more going on behind the scenes than you think. I'm sure he's working hard on several fronts to get players in for 2016, but he probably also looked at the roster of returning Memphis players and saw a lot he can work with. He sees the holes in area of need and in sheer numbers, and I'm sure he's addressing that. Tubby never had a losing season as a head coach until his first two years at Texas Tech. He's not looking to have another one this year.

Also, 2017 is surely getting a lot of attention from him and the staff. He pulled in a good class for Texas Tech for the class of 2014 after being hired in April of 2013, and Memphis is darn sure easier to recruit to than his last two stops. He wants to make a splash in November's early signing period."

(11-14-2017 03:58 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 03:50 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 05:31 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 12:59 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  He didn't call someone who has won at every level for the past "40" years, "Lazy". He called a guy who rode someone else's coattails and won at a high lvl many, many years ago and hasn't done anything of worth since "Lazy".

Well. I'm sure you know you're wrong.

But that doesn't matter. Y'all will just hate the next guy after Tubby.

When Tubby won his only NCAA tournament game during his "miracle" run in 2013; this was what he had.

Minnesota 2013
51 Rodney Williams SR
102 Andre Hollins SOPH
104 Maurice Walker SOPH
108 Joe Coleman SOPH
169 Austin Hollins JR
26 Trevor Mbakwe (juco, not highly ranked) SR

Tubby had 5 players ranked higher than any of the current players on our roster. Aside from Mbakwe, none were jucos.

The same question remains. IF Tubby had much higher rated players when he won his only NCAA game in 10 years, why would anyone expect him to be able to duplicate that when he is recruiting at a much lower level here?

His last two NCAA wins before that 11 and 12 years ago were at Kentucky when he had much higher ranked players than he did at Minnesota.

The last time Tubby made it out of the first weekend was 13 years ago. He went to the Elite 8 with 5 NBA players (Azubuike, Hayes, Morris, Rondo, Crawford).

I would be fully on board if Tubby was recruiting players in the top 75-150, but obviously he isn't and obviously he isn't going to win without them. He never has.

This right here!

If he is recruiting the same level of player (and worse) as he did at Minnesota and TT, why in the heck do people want to "wait and see" if he has better results?

He coached as well as he possibly could coach, developed as well as he possibly could develop, and you see the results, 1 NCAA win in 10 years.

So one of the "wait and see" guys please explain to me how Tubby can do the same thing over and over (even worse) and have better results?

Like most the stuff that this guy says, it is not true. At TT, he had two players who are all Big12 players this year. At MN, his 1st recruiting class was a top25. This guy just lies all the time and he shows some meaningless stat to prove his garbage points.

Go Tigers

Quote:At MN, his 1st recruiting class was a top25.

Minnesota 2007-2008
20-14
NIT 1st round
148 Hoffarber
203 Class rank

Tubby put together the #26 class in 2008 and the #10 class in 2009. It took him a full 4 years after that to reach the apex of Tubbydom, a single, lonesome NCAA tournament win. So all the boasting you are doing about Tubby's recruiting are proving two points. Tubby can't do **** with good players, and he couldn't do **** with players that are ranked much higher than the players he has here.

Quote:This guy just lies all the time and he shows some meaningless stat to prove his garbage points.

Meaningless Stats
- 1 NCAA win in the last 10 seasons
- 1 NCAA win with 5 players ranked in the top 160
- 0 NCAA wins without players ranked in the top 100 as far back at least to 1997 with Georgia
- Last trip pas the 1st weekend was Elite 8, 13 years ago with 5 NBA players
- 0 top 150 players to be found at Memphis

(11-14-2017 05:15 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:49 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  So tell me, do you follow Tubby from school to school?

starting to think this is a ron bell situation like Pastner had...

Cal and Fuente did so much more for Memphis than Tubby ever did for Minnesota and we don't have fans arguing on other message boards about how great they are...

So much more? At any cost I feel. The problem is that no one outside of Memphis and Lexington like Cal. I moved to MN at the same time as Tubby did. There are some people who follow him from school to school but they don't come here because this board is filled with negativity and lots of speculations. Facts are unknown here. there is a guy whose name is Sam. He follows Tubby and tried to post here a few times but gave up. He still posts stuff at TT board and people love him. He is from MotorCity.

yeah..Funny you should mention Motor City Sam. I remember him well. Sam first posted on Roar. He could roll those Tubby stats right off the top of his head.

When our situation became uncertain at the end of last season, MCitySam started arguing with the 'information people' on Roar--questioning their veracity.

Reckon he got told to shut up about that, but he stopped posting and came here for awhile.


Here's part of one of his posts in the Tubby good times:

Motor City Sam said; "I think you're right. One thing I can say about Coach Smith after following him for years is that there is always more going on behind the scenes than you think. I'm sure he's working hard on several fronts to get players in for 2016, but he probably also looked at the roster of returning Memphis players and saw a lot he can work with. He sees the holes in area of need and in sheer numbers, and I'm sure he's addressing that. Tubby never had a losing season as a head coach until his first two years at Texas Tech. He's not looking to have another one this year.

Also, 2017 is surely getting a lot of attention from him and the staff. He pulled in a good class for Texas Tech for the class of 2014 after being hired in April of 2013, and Memphis is darn sure easier to recruit to than his last two stops. He wants to make a splash in November's early signing period."

Sam is wealth of knowledge. I strongly suggest to go to the TT board and read some of his posts. Then, compare them to Stam's.

Go Tigers

(11-14-2017 04:49 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  So tell me, do you follow Tubby from school to school?

starting to think this is a ron bell situation like Pastner had...

Cal and Fuente did so much more for Memphis than Tubby ever did for Minnesota and we don't have fans arguing on other message boards about how great they are...

So much more? At any cost I feel. The problem is that no one outside of Memphis and Lexington like Cal. I moved to MN at the same time as Tubby did. There are some people who follow him from school to school but they don't come here because this board is filled with negativity and lots of speculations. Facts are unknown here. there is a guy whose name is Sam. He follows Tubby and tried to post here a few times but gave up. He still posts stuff at TT board and people love him. He is from MotorCity.

Quote:There are some people who follow him from school to school but they don't come here because this board is filled with negativity and lots of speculations.

Entire List
1. Psycho Tubby
2. Motor City Psycho
3. Saul

(11-14-2017 06:01 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:15 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:49 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:28 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 04:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  So tell me, do you follow Tubby from school to school?

starting to think this is a ron bell situation like Pastner had...

Cal and Fuente did so much more for Memphis than Tubby ever did for Minnesota and we don't have fans arguing on other message boards about how great they are...

So much more? At any cost I feel. The problem is that no one outside of Memphis and Lexington like Cal. I moved to MN at the same time as Tubby did. There are some people who follow him from school to school but they don't come here because this board is filled with negativity and lots of speculations. Facts are unknown here. there is a guy whose name is Sam. He follows Tubby and tried to post here a few times but gave up. He still posts stuff at TT board and people love him. He is from MotorCity.

yeah..Funny you should mention Motor City Sam. I remember him well. Sam first posted on Roar. He could roll those Tubby stats right off the top of his head.

When our situation became uncertain at the end of last season, MCitySam started arguing with the 'information people' on Roar--questioning their veracity.

Reckon he got told to shut up about that, but he stopped posting and came here for awhile.


Here's part of one of his posts in the Tubby good times:

Motor City Sam said; "I think you're right. One thing I can say about Coach Smith after following him for years is that there is always more going on behind the scenes than you think. I'm sure he's working hard on several fronts to get players in for 2016, but he probably also looked at the roster of returning Memphis players and saw a lot he can work with. He sees the holes in area of need and in sheer numbers, and I'm sure he's addressing that. Tubby never had a losing season as a head coach until his first two years at Texas Tech. He's not looking to have another one this year.

Also, 2017 is surely getting a lot of attention from him and the staff. He pulled in a good class for Texas Tech for the class of 2014 after being hired in April of 2013, and Memphis is darn sure easier to recruit to than his last two stops. He wants to make a splash in November's early signing period."

Sam is wealth of knowledge. I strongly suggest to go to the TT board and read some of his posts. Then, compare them to Stam's.

Go Tigers

Yes, let's all follow the lead of 2 psychos and troll another school's message board.

(11-13-2017 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  This thread is premised on Memphis area kids staying and playing for Memphis. IMO, with the evolution of high school BB now revolving around the AAU program, its sponsors & coaches rather than even high school teams & their coaches, the fact that some good kids reside in the Memphis area is actually immaterial to where they eventually go to college. Prior to the advent of strong, financed AAU programs, kids more likely played for area schools. That gave our university a built-in advantage because the Memphis area has had a long & strong tradition of high school BB. That advantage is no longer there IMO & I believe it directly relates to the influence & strength of the AAU programs. Through AAU participation, the kids get national attention/exposure & they don't develop the innate loyalty to our university that prior generations did. And apparently there is financial benefit to be had based upon where a kid commits. Blame Tubby if you like, no doubt he doesn't compete for local recruits like previous coaches (excepting Cal who was the foremost exploiter of the AAU system who didn't recruit locally either), but local kids no longer have the Memphis pride of previous generations. Instead, the AAU has conditioned a different loyalty in local kids & I believe this will affect local recruiting for as long as AAU is the primary influence no matter who coaches at Memphis.

Tell that to Vanderbilt

(11-14-2017 05:01 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Memphis has won 34 NCAA tournament games, Minnesota has won 13, Texas Tech has won 8. Minnesota has won 1 tournament game in the last 20 years, Texas Tech has won 3.

I'm sorry, success for us in basketball, with the resources, money spent, and traditional fan support, does not consider going to the tournament worth $3 million.

Tubby inherited a program with 4 top 100 players and 1 committed. They are all gone, 3 are at Kansas.

You know what my season tickets cost me and my family? I had them up until last year. $700 donation per seat (4), and then $500 per seat for the season tickets. I was behind the basket about 25 rows up.

This year, you can get the whole season for $99. Heard about someone getting 3 tickets, section 109, for $500 total and no donation. They are running deals where if you buy 10 tickets, they give you 12 games plus movie passes. This has NEVER been the case in my lifetime.

You people that come in and judge us for the way we look at things have no idea. There is a ton of money spent and love and pride for this university and basketball team in this city. We have never had a coach that couldn't recruit Memphis until now. We have never had fan apathy at this level.

Yes, I'm sure that the 3 tournament appearances and 1 win that Tubby gave Minnesota was a big deal there and you should be grateful. He also recruited much better than he has here, which makes ZERO SENSE.

Thank you! This post captures the feeling that those of us who have been Tiger fans for decades TO THE LETTER!

(11-16-2017 10:28 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:01 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Memphis has won 34 NCAA tournament games, Minnesota has won 13, Texas Tech has won 8. Minnesota has won 1 tournament game in the last 20 years, Texas Tech has won 3.

I'm sorry, success for us in basketball, with the resources, money spent, and traditional fan support, does not consider going to the tournament worth $3 million.

Tubby inherited a program with 4 top 100 players and 1 committed. They are all gone, 3 are at Kansas.

You know what my season tickets cost me and my family? I had them up until last year. $700 donation per seat (4), and then $500 per seat for the season tickets. I was behind the basket about 25 rows up.

This year, you can get the whole season for $99. Heard about someone getting 3 tickets, section 109, for $500 total and no donation. They are running deals where if you buy 10 tickets, they give you 12 games plus movie passes. This has NEVER been the case in my lifetime.

You people that come in and judge us for the way we look at things have no idea. There is a ton of money spent and love and pride for this university and basketball team in this city. We have never had a coach that couldn't recruit Memphis until now. We have never had fan apathy at this level.

Yes, I'm sure that the 3 tournament appearances and 1 win that Tubby gave Minnesota was a big deal there and you should be grateful. He also recruited much better than he has here, which makes ZERO SENSE.

Thank you! This post captures the feeling that those of us who have been Tiger fans for decades TO THE LETTER!

Amen

(11-13-2017 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  This thread is premised on Memphis area kids staying and playing for Memphis. IMO, with the evolution of high school BB now revolving around the AAU program, its sponsors & coaches rather than even high school teams & their coaches, the fact that some good kids reside in the Memphis area is actually immaterial to where they eventually go to college. Prior to the advent of strong, financed AAU programs, kids more likely played for area schools. That gave our university a built-in advantage because the Memphis area has had a long & strong tradition of high school BB. That advantage is no longer there IMO & I believe it directly relates to the influence & strength of the AAU programs. Through AAU participation, the kids get national attention/exposure & they don't develop the innate loyalty to our university that prior generations did. And apparently there is financial benefit to be had based upon where a kid commits. Blame Tubby if you like, no doubt he doesn't compete for local recruits like previous coaches (excepting Cal who was the foremost exploiter of the AAU system who didn't recruit locally either), but local kids no longer have the Memphis pride of previous generations. Instead, the AAU has conditioned a different loyalty in local kids & I believe this will affect local recruiting for as long as AAU is the primary influence no matter who coaches at Memphis.

I could have sworn that both Harris and Lomax are Memphis fans. More bizarre weirdo excuses for **** recruiting.

There is no way to spin this as a positive for Tubby. I like Tubby but there’s no excuse to be this bad at recruiting.