MustangFanSMU Wrote:I'm an Ole Miss fan (so yes, this football season was miserable) on the side of being an SMU fan -- Lots of family ties, tons of friends go there, and what not.

I don't think Petrino will leave Louisville for Ole Miss, but not b/c Louisville is a "better program." Seriously, that's funny Louisville fans think that. Ole Miss is in the SEC, period. Are they #1 or #2? No, but they typically have winning seasons and are sometimes on the cusp of getting into the heat of things. The only jobs in the SEC with less potential than UL are Vandy and Kentucky.

Ole Miss averaged 58,372 in a 4-7 Season ... and they're located in Oxford, MS with an undergrad enrollment of around 11,000 (Yes, it's a small state school). Louisville's enrollment is only slightly larger, and you're in a city, and you drew around a 40,000 average with a 10-1 season. That's not bad attendance by any means, but attendance means $ and Ole Miss has tons more than Louisville. Coaching at a marquee-state school in the SEC is more appealing than Louisville. Y'all have done a great job with your resources and you're a great team, but the prestige of the two jobs doesn't compare.

But here's why Petrino stays at Louisville. Let's face it, the new Big East is a joke. The fact that one of Texas or Cal (despite my hatred of the Pac-10) is not going to get in to a BCS bowl and yet Pittsburgh is should make any logical person mad. Petrino should win the Big East no problem next year. He wins a "BCS conference," gets BCS money -- and then when some more big-time big-time (JoePa won't be around much longer, Mack won't last much longer) programs open up jobs ... he's the front man.

Christ. Where do I start?

Louisville's resources vs. Ole Miss resources(athletic budgets):

Louisville $35,170,247

Mississippi $27,385,636

(note the above gap will widen with the injection of BCS cash into the Louisville athletic department)

Louisville has over 20,000 enrolled doubling the size of Ole Miss.

Louisville's PJCS current capacity is 42,000 and was a mere 700 tickets from being sold out this season with a less than stellar home slate that included several weeknight ESPN broadcasts. Plans are on the table for expansion. The stadium was engineered with the capacity to expand to 80,000. Look for 60,000 seats within 3 years.

Lets not kid ourselves about the locations of the universities either. Oxford is a cultural armpit compared with any city. Wave your stars and bars and give the rebel yell but if I were a family man that had a choice between raising my kids in Oxford or Louisville or Memphis for that matter the amenities and diversity of modern city life win hands down.

Ole Piss could hire Urban Meyer, Petrino, Spurrier, Teford or anyone else and they would still be Ole Miss. Ole Piss will always be an afterthought in the bigtime picture of college football. Some facts are not changeable.

MustangFanSMU Wrote:I have family ties there ... but I don't live there. Ole Miss has a huge name throughout the entire Southwest and Southeast.

I grew up a huge college football in Beaumont and Houston TX ... and I NEVER saw an story on Ole Miss until Peyton Manning was being recruited.

I had never watched an Ole Miss game until I moved to Georgia and Ole Miss still isn't a big name in Atlanta today ... Its a school where kids who want to play in a BCS conference, but weren't recruited by BCS schools end up.

Oklahoma St. had Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas, so they didn't just get talent yesterday. Sure Ole Miss COULD be somebody someday, but so could every other school in the country. I guess Miami (FL) was nothing in college football at one point also.

As it stands today Ole Miss is like the porn industry for women, you just end up there, few actually aspire to be there.

Oh there was a story on the prevelance of the rebel flag at ole miss ... I forgot about that one.

prettyricky Wrote:Ole Miss is like the porn industry for women, you just end up there, few actually aspire to be there.

That is so wrong, it's bound to end up in someone's sig. :rofl:

The Rebel Flag never flew over a slave ship, but the American Flag did. So I guess we should stop waving the Stars-and-Stripes as well... Oxford's not a cultural armpit, it's an awesome little Southern town. If you have no appreciation for the Old South that's fine, but I wouldn't call it an armpit. Memphis sucks ... I won't argue there.

I guess the name Archie Manning was never thrown around either. I'm not saying Ole Miss is a power-house, but any college football fan should know the SEC- and knows that Ole Miss is NOT a doormat like Vanderbilt. Maybe it's just here in the Park Cities of Dallas, but there's a lot of Ole Miss alums in the area sprinkled in between the SMUers.

If you've been on campus during a game, or actually been to a game -- you would see that Ole Miss football isn't just an afterthought. The Grove and atmosphere at games is just as good as any other SEC team, save Bama and Tennessee (THE best behind ND).

People don't raise their kids in Oxford, it's an old college town ... and while I love HP where SMU is located, Oxford is definitely one of the best college towns in the US. My family ties aren't in Oxford; many of them that went there now live in Birmingham, AL and Nashville. The ones still in MS are in the Meridian area.

I'm not discrediting Louisville, but there's a huge difference in the prestige of an SEC team. Maybe I'm just an old-school football traditionalist b/c I like the SEC, SWC, ND and the Army/Navy rivalry.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

MustangFanSMU Wrote:

HerdZoned Wrote:If the Ole Miss job was so great you would have Coaches lining up for the job. Face it, Manning is gone and the mystique of winning at Ole Miss has gone with ppl around the country. That is except for those that live in and around Oxford Mississippi.

I have family ties there ... but I don't live there. Ole Miss has a huge name throughout the entire Southwest and Southeast. And Southern football is more important than anywhere else haha .. just kidding.

Taking the Ole Miss job would be like taking the Oklahoma State job in the Big XII, or Purdue in the Big Ten. Definitely not the most successful programs in the conference, but you could easily turn them into one and you have a lot more resources- and tons more to offer than a Big East team.

You just fired a coach that was rebuilding a program after losing Eli Manning, and 6 on your O-Line and 5 on your D- Line. And why, because he refuses to get rid of his Asst. Coaches. Well that says volumes to coaches out there. That tells coaches that Ole Miss doesn't give time to rebuild and looks for scapegoats anywhere. You don't think they think of those things.

PS....... If Im a coach Im very cautious if Ole Miss would approach me. They give you no time to rebuild after a "So Called" historic family member just went through their door.

If you think Ole Miss is going to land a Zook or a Davis your crazy, Ole Miss has never been about bringing in the High Profile Name.

If Ole Miss offers, he'd be crazy not to go. Would you want to play Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU or USF, Rutgers and UCONN. Its a no brainer.

TopCoog Wrote:If Ole Miss offers, he'd be crazy not to go. Would you want to play Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU or USF, Rutgers and UCONN. Its a no brainer.

Tell ya the truth I think he would rather stay at Louisville and see if they become the next "VA Tech". As much as I hate Louisville, they have the talent and potential there to do it.

TopCoog Wrote:If Ole Miss offers, he'd be crazy not to go. Would you want to play Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU or USF, Rutgers and UCONN. Its a no brainer.

Ole Miss is already starting to contact other candidates. Why would he leave a team that will be a Pre Season Top 10 squad and favorites to win the Big East and go to a BCS Bowl. You make less and less sense everyday.

Plus if he plays his cards right and wants to leave he could get a much bigger job then Ole Miss. Ole Miss is a mess and will be in a mess for firing a coach that did not deserve to be let go.

L-yes Wrote:

MustangFanSMU Wrote:I'm an Ole Miss fan (so yes, this football season was miserable) on the side of being an SMU fan -- Lots of family ties, tons of friends go there, and what not.

I don't think Petrino will leave Louisville for Ole Miss, but not b/c Louisville is a "better program." Seriously, that's funny Louisville fans think that. Ole Miss is in the SEC, period. Are they #1 or #2? No, but they typically have winning seasons and are sometimes on the cusp of getting into the heat of things. The only jobs in the SEC with less potential than UL are Vandy and Kentucky.

Ole Miss averaged 58,372 in a 4-7 Season ... and they're located in Oxford, MS with an undergrad enrollment of around 11,000 (Yes, it's a small state school). Louisville's enrollment is only slightly larger, and you're in a city, and you drew around a 40,000 average with a 10-1 season. That's not bad attendance by any means, but attendance means $ and Ole Miss has tons more than Louisville. Coaching at a marquee-state school in the SEC is more appealing than Louisville. Y'all have done a great job with your resources and you're a great team, but the prestige of the two jobs doesn't compare.

But here's why Petrino stays at Louisville. Let's face it, the new Big East is a joke. The fact that one of Texas or Cal (despite my hatred of the Pac-10) is not going to get in to a BCS bowl and yet Pittsburgh is should make any logical person mad. Petrino should win the Big East no problem next year. He wins a "BCS conference," gets BCS money -- and then when some more big-time big-time (JoePa won't be around much longer, Mack won't last much longer) programs open up jobs ... he's the front man.

Christ. Where do I start?

Louisville's resources vs. Ole Miss resources(athletic budgets):

Louisville $35,170,247

Mississippi $27,385,636

(note the above gap will widen with the injection of BCS cash into the Louisville athletic department)

Louisville has over 20,000 enrolled doubling the size of Ole Miss.

Louisville's PJCS current capacity is 42,000 and was a mere 700 tickets from being sold out this season with a less than stellar home slate that included several weeknight ESPN broadcasts. Plans are on the table for expansion. The stadium was engineered with the capacity to expand to 80,000. Look for 60,000 seats within 3 years.

Lets not kid ourselves about the locations of the universities either. Oxford is a cultural armpit compared with any city. Wave your stars and bars and give the rebel yell but if I were a family man that had a choice between raising my kids in Oxford or Louisville or Memphis for that matter the amenities and diversity of modern city life win hands down.

You're numbers are all well and good, but you overlook the one figure that OM towers over UofL (and many other institutions for that matter): Endowments.

I'll have to research the numbers later, but the numbers are ridiculous......

The Rebs have officially contacted Ed Orgeron the Assistant Coach at Southern Cal for their job opening. I would take that as Petrino not interested if he is was their number 1 choice.

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MustangFanSMU Wrote:The Rebel Flag never flew over a slave ship, but the American Flag did. So I guess we should stop waving the Stars-and-Stripes as well... Oxford's not a cultural armpit, it's an awesome little Southern town. If you have no appreciation for the Old South that's fine, but I wouldn't call it an armpit. Memphis sucks ... I won't argue there.

I guess the name Archie Manning was never thrown around either. I'm not saying Ole Miss is a power-house, but any college football fan should know the SEC- and knows that Ole Miss is NOT a doormat like Vanderbilt. Maybe it's just here in the Park Cities of Dallas, but there's a lot of Ole Miss alums in the area sprinkled in between the SMUers.

If you've been on campus during a game, or actually been to a game -- you would see that Ole Miss football isn't just an afterthought. The Grove and atmosphere at games is just as good as any other SEC team, save Bama and Tennessee (THE best behind ND).

People don't raise their kids in Oxford, it's an old college town ... and while I love HP where SMU is located, Oxford is definitely one of the best college towns in the US. My family ties aren't in Oxford; many of them that went there now live in Birmingham, AL and Nashville. The ones still in MS are in the Meridian area.

I'm not discrediting Louisville, but there's a huge difference in the prestige of an SEC team. Maybe I'm just an old-school football traditionalist b/c I like the SEC, SWC, ND and the Army/Navy rivalry.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

That's fine, we can agree to disagree but what about all of the other facts I posted that completely destroyed your bull$hit premise?



On a side note looks like Ole Miss is already looking elsewhere. Guess you didn't want him anyway. Right?

Tigerbythetail Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

MustangFanSMU Wrote:I'm an Ole Miss fan (so yes, this football season was miserable) on the side of being an SMU fan -- Lots of family ties, tons of friends go there, and what not.

I don't think Petrino will leave Louisville for Ole Miss, but not b/c Louisville is a "better program." Seriously, that's funny Louisville fans think that. Ole Miss is in the SEC, period. Are they #1 or #2? No, but they typically have winning seasons and are sometimes on the cusp of getting into the heat of things. The only jobs in the SEC with less potential than UL are Vandy and Kentucky.

Ole Miss averaged 58,372 in a 4-7 Season ... and they're located in Oxford, MS with an undergrad enrollment of around 11,000 (Yes, it's a small state school). Louisville's enrollment is only slightly larger, and you're in a city, and you drew around a 40,000 average with a 10-1 season. That's not bad attendance by any means, but attendance means $ and Ole Miss has tons more than Louisville. Coaching at a marquee-state school in the SEC is more appealing than Louisville. Y'all have done a great job with your resources and you're a great team, but the prestige of the two jobs doesn't compare.

But here's why Petrino stays at Louisville. Let's face it, the new Big East is a joke. The fact that one of Texas or Cal (despite my hatred of the Pac-10) is not going to get in to a BCS bowl and yet Pittsburgh is should make any logical person mad. Petrino should win the Big East no problem next year. He wins a "BCS conference," gets BCS money -- and then when some more big-time big-time (JoePa won't be around much longer, Mack won't last much longer) programs open up jobs ... he's the front man.

Christ. Where do I start?

Louisville's resources vs. Ole Miss resources(athletic budgets):

Louisville $35,170,247

Mississippi $27,385,636

(note the above gap will widen with the injection of BCS cash into the Louisville athletic department)

Louisville has over 20,000 enrolled doubling the size of Ole Miss.

Louisville's PJCS current capacity is 42,000 and was a mere 700 tickets from being sold out this season with a less than stellar home slate that included several weeknight ESPN broadcasts. Plans are on the table for expansion. The stadium was engineered with the capacity to expand to 80,000. Look for 60,000 seats within 3 years.

Lets not kid ourselves about the locations of the universities either. Oxford is a cultural armpit compared with any city. Wave your stars and bars and give the rebel yell but if I were a family man that had a choice between raising my kids in Oxford or Louisville or Memphis for that matter the amenities and diversity of modern city life win hands down.

You're numbers are all well and good, but you overlook the one figure that OM towers over UofL (and many other institutions for that matter): Endowments.

I'll have to research the numbers later, but the numbers are ridiculous......

Who cares? I understand that you may be a reb at heart, many in Memphis are but to suggest that Ole Miss endowment has a place in this conversation is absurd. I'll bet you Rice, SMU and Tulane ALL have sizeable endowments, they have nothing to do with athletic success.

Rice has nothing to do with athletic success? they won a national championship in baseball and won 19 basketball games, what planet did you come from?

TopCoog Wrote:Rice has nothing to do with athletic success? they won a national championship in baseball and won 19 basketball games, what planet did you come from?

Only 19 wins in Basketball. That is a bad year for Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis.

L-yes Wrote:

Tigerbythetail Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

MustangFanSMU Wrote:I'm an Ole Miss fan (so yes, this football season was miserable) on the side of being an SMU fan -- Lots of family ties, tons of friends go there, and what not.

I don't think Petrino will leave Louisville for Ole Miss, but not b/c Louisville is a "better program." Seriously, that's funny Louisville fans think that. Ole Miss is in the SEC, period. Are they #1 or #2? No, but they typically have winning seasons and are sometimes on the cusp of getting into the heat of things. The only jobs in the SEC with less potential than UL are Vandy and Kentucky.

Ole Miss averaged 58,372 in a 4-7 Season ... and they're located in Oxford, MS with an undergrad enrollment of around 11,000 (Yes, it's a small state school). Louisville's enrollment is only slightly larger, and you're in a city, and you drew around a 40,000 average with a 10-1 season. That's not bad attendance by any means, but attendance means $ and Ole Miss has tons more than Louisville. Coaching at a marquee-state school in the SEC is more appealing than Louisville. Y'all have done a great job with your resources and you're a great team, but the prestige of the two jobs doesn't compare.

But here's why Petrino stays at Louisville. Let's face it, the new Big East is a joke. The fact that one of Texas or Cal (despite my hatred of the Pac-10) is not going to get in to a BCS bowl and yet Pittsburgh is should make any logical person mad. Petrino should win the Big East no problem next year. He wins a "BCS conference," gets BCS money -- and then when some more big-time big-time (JoePa won't be around much longer, Mack won't last much longer) programs open up jobs ... he's the front man.

Christ. Where do I start?

Louisville's resources vs. Ole Miss resources(athletic budgets):

Louisville $35,170,247

Mississippi $27,385,636

(note the above gap will widen with the injection of BCS cash into the Louisville athletic department)

Louisville has over 20,000 enrolled doubling the size of Ole Miss.

Louisville's PJCS current capacity is 42,000 and was a mere 700 tickets from being sold out this season with a less than stellar home slate that included several weeknight ESPN broadcasts. Plans are on the table for expansion. The stadium was engineered with the capacity to expand to 80,000. Look for 60,000 seats within 3 years.

Lets not kid ourselves about the locations of the universities either. Oxford is a cultural armpit compared with any city. Wave your stars and bars and give the rebel yell but if I were a family man that had a choice between raising my kids in Oxford or Louisville or Memphis for that matter the amenities and diversity of modern city life win hands down.

You're numbers are all well and good, but you overlook the one figure that OM towers over UofL (and many other institutions for that matter): Endowments.

I'll have to research the numbers later, but the numbers are ridiculous......

Who cares? I understand that you may be a reb at heart, many in Memphis are but to suggest that Ole Miss endowment has a place in this conversation is absurd. I'll bet you Rice, SMU and Tulane ALL have sizeable endowments, they have nothing to do with athletic success.

Sorry, you don't want to carry on discussion or argue a point, you just want to flame-bait and act like a 12 year old.

You're a troll, I won't waste my time responding to your inane ramblings again.

Quote:You just believe what you want ... Ole Miss will get a good coach. Y'all are a good team, but you're not a historical program. There's a huge difference. Right now, it's great having the Louisville job b/c you're on top of your conference. The SEC is on a whole different level.

Historical programs. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton were historically great powers as well. The Ivy League was a whole different level - in its day.

Tulane was the SEC football champion more than once. Kentucky has some shared championships too (76 and 77) that are over a decade more recent than Ole Miss'.

I'm not bashing Ole Miss here, but I am making a point. When Ole Miss was winning the SEC from 1960 to 1963, it had been 40 years since Harvard won a national championship. Harvard was no longer considered relevant in 1960. Today, Harvard football is a trivia game staple. It's now been 40 years since Ole Miss won the SEC. Are they still relevant?

I think the Ole Miss administration senses the urgency of the moment, and they should. Ole Miss is faced with the task of either improving inside the SEC, or making a Georgia Tech / Tulane move to other pastures. In Georgia Tech's case, it has worked out fairly well. Tulane? Not so well. There are another few years of BCS money available. Ole Miss must move now before that financial advantage is gone. I think Ole Miss wants to do the right thing, but that doesn't mean they will be able to pull it off.

Tigerbythetail Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

Tigerbythetail Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

MustangFanSMU Wrote:I'm an Ole Miss fan (so yes, this football season was miserable) on the side of being an SMU fan -- Lots of family ties, tons of friends go there, and what not.

I don't think Petrino will leave Louisville for Ole Miss, but not b/c Louisville is a "better program." Seriously, that's funny Louisville fans think that. Ole Miss is in the SEC, period. Are they #1 or #2? No, but they typically have winning seasons and are sometimes on the cusp of getting into the heat of things. The only jobs in the SEC with less potential than UL are Vandy and Kentucky.

Ole Miss averaged 58,372 in a 4-7 Season ... and they're located in Oxford, MS with an undergrad enrollment of around 11,000 (Yes, it's a small state school). Louisville's enrollment is only slightly larger, and you're in a city, and you drew around a 40,000 average with a 10-1 season. That's not bad attendance by any means, but attendance means $ and Ole Miss has tons more than Louisville. Coaching at a marquee-state school in the SEC is more appealing than Louisville. Y'all have done a great job with your resources and you're a great team, but the prestige of the two jobs doesn't compare.

But here's why Petrino stays at Louisville. Let's face it, the new Big East is a joke. The fact that one of Texas or Cal (despite my hatred of the Pac-10) is not going to get in to a BCS bowl and yet Pittsburgh is should make any logical person mad. Petrino should win the Big East no problem next year. He wins a "BCS conference," gets BCS money -- and then when some more big-time big-time (JoePa won't be around much longer, Mack won't last much longer) programs open up jobs ... he's the front man.

Christ. Where do I start?

Louisville's resources vs. Ole Miss resources(athletic budgets):

Louisville $35,170,247

Mississippi $27,385,636

(note the above gap will widen with the injection of BCS cash into the Louisville athletic department)

Louisville has over 20,000 enrolled doubling the size of Ole Miss.

Louisville's PJCS current capacity is 42,000 and was a mere 700 tickets from being sold out this season with a less than stellar home slate that included several weeknight ESPN broadcasts. Plans are on the table for expansion. The stadium was engineered with the capacity to expand to 80,000. Look for 60,000 seats within 3 years.

Lets not kid ourselves about the locations of the universities either. Oxford is a cultural armpit compared with any city. Wave your stars and bars and give the rebel yell but if I were a family man that had a choice between raising my kids in Oxford or Louisville or Memphis for that matter the amenities and diversity of modern city life win hands down.

You're numbers are all well and good, but you overlook the one figure that OM towers over UofL (and many other institutions for that matter): Endowments.

I'll have to research the numbers later, but the numbers are ridiculous......

Who cares? I understand that you may be a reb at heart, many in Memphis are but to suggest that Ole Miss endowment has a place in this conversation is absurd. I'll bet you Rice, SMU and Tulane ALL have sizeable endowments, they have nothing to do with athletic success.

Sorry, you don't want to carry on discussion or argue a point, you just want to flame-bait and act like a 12 year old.

You're a troll, I won't waste my time responding to your inane ramblings again.

You have no point.

Well Maize...we know nobody can compare to those powerful Cards but nonetheless Rice has athletic success.