in my very next post, i said the ncaa tourney want as common, but a few did say it..

"a lot of AAC teams are bragging on how good they are". a lot is not all
i also listed usf an said they think they'll be horrible..

"we are going to be a NIT caliber, maybe a bubble team"...notice the "maybe". did you notice the definitive confidence i put in everyone elses comment... that there was uncertainty in Memphis but optimism

"Pesik, there are 250+ posts in that thread. The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE, or at best, apprehensive."
i just skimmed through the first 20 pages..it was almost all positive, i saw 5 predictions all over 17 wins, the average was over 19

on page 16 they are even attacking a bandwagon guy who is now hyped up about memphis who was once negative.. in page 20 someone says he is naturally negative, so he doesnt want to get his hopes up becuase everything is looking up. but hopes his negative feelings are wrong...

you attacked me for straw manning when that is exactly what you are doing..did you think i wouldnt go back and actually check that forum..it is overwhelming positive and optimistic...wheres the " The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE"

not sure why you are getting like this...if anything advice for you in your social life, all because you feel some way doesnt mean everyone feels the same as you. and blowing up on people and name calling them because you don't like their points is not a good way to interact with people..you're welcome..ps you can put me back on ignore if i bother you that much..

(11-05-2017 05:22 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 05:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  One of the more inane arguments I've seen yet on this board.

Is this what happens when the Shockers lose grasp of the trolling reigns?




T


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We're too busy fighting off the foreigners. Too exhausted for quality inter-conference trolling.

We need a wall, the g4 and rutgers will pay for it.

Before the Shockers were invited equity for this league was already in full motion... With Wichita State already in the AAC now however this league will only improve that much more.

I say 4 is a solid no brainer but 5 if expected performances by many are reached.

(11-05-2017 05:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  in my very next post, i said the ncaa tourney want as common, but a few did say it..

"a lot of AAC teams are bragging on how good they are". a lot is not all
i also listed usf an said they think they'll be horrible..

"we are going to be a NIT caliber, maybe a bubble team"...notice the "maybe". did you notice the definitive confidence i put in everyone elses comment... that there was uncertainty in Memphis but optimism

"Pesik, there are 250+ posts in that thread. The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE, or at best, apprehensive."
i just skimmed through the first 20 pages..it was almost all positive, i saw 5 predictions all over 17 wins, the average was over 19

on page 16 they are even attacking a bandwagon guy who is now hyped up about memphis who was once negative.. in page 20 someone says he is naturally negative, so he doesnt want to get his hopes up becuase everything is looking up. but hopes his negative feelings are wrong...

you attacked me for straw manning when that is exactly what you are doing..did you think i wouldnt go back and actually check that forum..it is overwhelming positive and optimistic...wheres the " The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE"

not sure why you are getting like this...if anything advice for you in your social life, all because you feel some way doesnt mean everyone feels the same as you. and blowing up on people and name calling them because you don't like their points is not a good way to interact with people..you're welcome..ps you can put me back on ignore if i bother you that much..

Look, I overreacted , and for that I apologize. I have had a couple of rough days, and I took it out on you. Then I got into a stupid argument that, as CB said, looks like the dumbest internet argument ever, arguing about one stupid thread on another board. That's my fault, to a large extent.

So now I've had a good night's sleep, and I will start over.

Here is what I was trying to say, short form. You characterize the Memphis fan base as bragging about how they are maybe going to the NIT, or be an NCAA bubble team, and be way better than everybody thinks. That's just wrong, man.

You can't read one thread and make that assumption. That was the game thread for our exhibition game. We played much better than most people expected, so there was a lot of relief about it.

But trust me, most Memphis fans are apprehensive about this season. In fact, in that thread, there was a link to an article by a local sportswriter saying that right now, half the fan base wants to fire Tubby, and the other half thinks he hasn't had quite enough time to make that decision, yet.

You would have to be a Memphis fan over this entire off season to understand that. Sure, some people think we will finish higher than the 9th we are projected. I'm one of them, just b/c I think, surely we can't be THAT bad, lol. Not b/c we really know what we have, with only 2 returning players on scholarship.

But there aren't many Memphis fans who think we are going to be an NCAA team, or even NIT for that matter. We just hope we are better than everybody else predicts. And by that, I mean, with a few exceptions, most of us are thinking maybe our ceiling is 5th to 7th, rather than 9th.

Your impression from reading that one thread is just way off base, that's all. Sorry for making it into something more than that.

I believe at least WSU, Cincy, and SMU will make the Tourney. I think UCF will be on the bubble due to the unfortunate injury. I think Houston is in the mix, also.

The Tigers have virtually no chance to make the NCAA Tourney and it will be very tough to even enter the NIT, IMO. Indeed, I think we will regress from last year’s poor results from a number of wins and AAC placement perspective.

(11-06-2017 07:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 05:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  in my very next post, i said the ncaa tourney want as common, but a few did say it..

"a lot of AAC teams are bragging on how good they are". a lot is not all
i also listed usf an said they think they'll be horrible..

"we are going to be a NIT caliber, maybe a bubble team"...notice the "maybe". did you notice the definitive confidence i put in everyone elses comment... that there was uncertainty in Memphis but optimism

"Pesik, there are 250+ posts in that thread. The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE, or at best, apprehensive."
i just skimmed through the first 20 pages..it was almost all positive, i saw 5 predictions all over 17 wins, the average was over 19

on page 16 they are even attacking a bandwagon guy who is now hyped up about memphis who was once negative.. in page 20 someone says he is naturally negative, so he doesnt want to get his hopes up becuase everything is looking up. but hopes his negative feelings are wrong...

you attacked me for straw manning when that is exactly what you are doing..did you think i wouldnt go back and actually check that forum..it is overwhelming positive and optimistic...wheres the " The great majority talking about our prospects are NEGATIVE"

not sure why you are getting like this...if anything advice for you in your social life, all because you feel some way doesnt mean everyone feels the same as you. and blowing up on people and name calling them because you don't like their points is not a good way to interact with people..you're welcome..ps you can put me back on ignore if i bother you that much..

Look, I overreacted , and for that I apologize. I have had a couple of rough days, and I took it out on you. Then I got into a stupid argument that, as CB said, looks like the dumbest internet argument ever, arguing about one stupid thread on another board. That's my fault, to a large extent.

So now I've had a good night's sleep, and I will start over.

Here is what I was trying to say, short form. You characterize the Memphis fan base as bragging about how they are maybe going to the NIT, or be an NCAA bubble team, and be way better than everybody thinks. That's just wrong, man.

You can't read one thread and make that assumption. That was the game thread for our exhibition game. We played much better than most people expected, so there was a lot of relief about it.

But trust me, most Memphis fans are apprehensive about this season. In fact, in that thread, there was a link to an article by a local sportswriter saying that right now, half the fan base wants to fire Tubby, and the other half thinks he hasn't had quite enough time to make that decision, yet.

You would have to be a Memphis fan over this entire off season to understand that. Sure, some people think we will finish higher than the 9th we are projected. I'm one of them, just b/c I think, surely we can't be THAT bad, lol. Not b/c we really know what we have, with only 2 returning players on scholarship.

But there aren't many Memphis fans who think we are going to be an NCAA team, or even NIT for that matter. We just hope we are better than everybody else predicts. And by that, I mean, with a few exceptions, most of us are thinking maybe our ceiling is 5th to 7th, rather than 9th.

Your impression from reading that one thread is just way off base That's all. Sorry for making it into something more than that.

I blame Shere....

(11-04-2017 08:27 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Locks:
UC
Wichita

Likely:
SMU

Work to Do:
UCF
Houston
Temple
UCONN

I'm gonna go with 5.

Based on last year - 3 - SMU, Cinn, Wichita

4 to 5 if the AAC can steal one or two from the BE who had 7 bids last year or the A-10 who had 3 bids last year.

At best the AAC gets 4 bids this year.

The other basketball centric schools (UConn, Temple, Memphis, and Houston) need to step it up this year to grab at least 4 bids this year.

WSU - lock to be a lock
Cincy - lock to be a lock
UCF - likely
Temple - likely
SMU - probable
UConn - wild card
Houston - wild card

WSU, Cincy are locks to be locks. I was high on UCF until Dawkins went down with the shoulder injury, but they are still capable of dancing. Temple is more than capable. Without injuries UConn could be in the mix. Houston too.

Looking at the non-con schedules, I would guess 2 locks, 1 better than 50-50 and one long shot. I can't see 5 or more unless they league has unexpected success in their non-con games.

UCF has a horrible non-conference schedule. Except for maybe Alabama, the rest are dogs. If they finish 4th or lower, they probably have to run the table in the non-con part of the schedule to even be on the bubble. Third in the league with one loss in non-con, they are on the bubble. Second in the league with one loss in non-con, they are probably in.

UC plays X, Florida, Mississippi St, and UCLA. Win two and finish in the top three in league and they are in. Go 1-3, and they probably need to finish in the top 3 in league to feel pretty comfortable. Lose all 4 and they better win the league or at least have a strong 2nd place showing.

Unless they poop in the bed, Wichita State should be in. Some teams don’t adapt well when switching conferences. But, WSU has plenty of non-con opportunities to prove themselves. A decent non-con record and a top 3-4 finish should get them in

UConn plays Oregon, Cuse, Arizona and Auburn. Similar situation to UC. Win two and finish in the top three or four in league and they are probably in. Go 1-3, and they probably need to finish in the top 2 in league to feel comfortable. Lose all 4 and they better win the league.

SMU better make some noise in the Paradise Jam. Otherwise, the non-con schedule is milk toast. Boise, USC and TCU (road). Unless they beat a Villinova in the PJ, they better finish in the top 3 in the league to have a chance.

Houston has two decent non-con games in Providence and Arkansas. Can’t slip up and lose to a mediocre teams like LSU or SLU. Given the weak schedule, probably need no more than 2 non-con losses and a top 3 league finish to have a chance.

Temple has a lot of opportunities in the non-con part of their schedule to earn a bid, Wisconsin, Villanova, maybe Auburn, South Carolina, LaSalle, etc. Wisconsin is down and VU and LaSalle are rivalry games. A nice non-con record will get them in. Lose 5 and they will have to win the league.

(11-06-2017 12:00 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Looking at the non-con schedules, I would guess 2 locks, 1 better than 50-50 and one long shot. I can't see 5 or more unless they league has unexpected success in their non-con games.

UCF has a horrible non-conference schedule. Except for maybe Alabama, the rest are dogs. If they finish 4th or lower, they probably have to run the table in the non-con part of the schedule to even be on the bubble. Third in the league with one loss in non-con, they are on the bubble. Second in the league with one loss in non-con, they are probably in.

UC plays X, Florida, Mississippi St, and UCLA. Win two and finish in the top three in league and they are in. Go 1-3, and they probably need to finish in the top 3 in league to feel pretty comfortable. Lose all 4 and they better win the league or at least have a strong 2nd place showing.

Unless they poop in the bed, Wichita State should be in. Some teams don’t adapt well when switching conferences. But, WSU has plenty of non-con opportunities to prove themselves. A decent non-con record and a top 3-4 finish should get them in

UConn plays Oregon, Cuse, Arizona and Auburn. Similar situation to UC. Win two and finish in the top three or four in league and they are probably in. Go 1-3, and they probably need to finish in the top 2 in league to feel comfortable. Lose all 4 and they better win the league.

SMU better make some noise in the Paradise Jam. Otherwise, the non-con schedule is milk toast. Boise, USC and TCU (road). Unless they beat a Villinova in the PJ, they better finish in the top 3 in the league to have a chance.

Houston has two decent non-con games in Providence and Arkansas. Can’t slip up and lose to a mediocre teams like LSU or SLU. Given the weak schedule, probably need no more than 2 non-con losses and a top 3 league finish to have a chance.

Temple has a lot of opportunities in the non-con part of their schedule to earn a bid, Wisconsin, Villanova, maybe Auburn, South Carolina, LaSalle, etc. Wisconsin is down and VU and LaSalle are rivalry games. A nice non-con record will get them in. Lose 5 and they will have to win the league.

SLU and LSU are supposed to be 2 of the biggest turn arounds in college basketball according to rothstein...slu brought in a super recruiting class, and in the a10..he has both ncaa teams

and houston has a ton of non glamorous good rpi games like fairfield and new orleans ..rpi doesnt see name brand it just sees rpi

and we also play either Colorado or wake in our preseason tourney (you are probably looking at espn which doesnt show the later rounds of the preseason tourneys)

also how does ucf play no-one beside alabama..you realize the projected #1 pick plays in mizzou?

tulsa and memphis also feels disrespected that you didn't do one for them

and ofcoourse the big east fan thinks 5 is impossible for a competitors league of 12....but 7 of 10 from his league is not a big deal...we average 3 without wichita....adding wichita..we now have 2....on a year deeper than any other year we have ever had

The disrespect for Tulsa is egregious. People are going to be surprised this year by us. Our new guys seem to have changed the team drastically.

(11-06-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  The disrespect for Tulsa is egregious. People are going to be surprised this year by us. Our new guys seem to have changed the team drastically.

How can you tell how drastically a team has changed based on exhibition play?

Disrespect? You have to earn respect. What teams are Tulsa definitively finishing ahead of and why?

Admittedly though our OOC schedule is trash. I’m hoping we can make the finals of the Puerto Rico tourney (being played in SC) so we can add Iowa State and South Carolina to the resume. I think we need to lose no more than two non-conference games and finish top 5 to be on the bubble.

(11-06-2017 01:03 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  The disrespect for Tulsa is egregious. People are going to be surprised this year by us. Our new guys seem to have changed the team drastically.

How can you tell how drastically a team has changed based on exhibition play?

Disrespect? You have to earn respect. What teams are Tulsa definitively finishing ahead of and why?

A Wichita State fan lecturing on needing to earn the conference's respect. That's rich.

Not being included in the discussion in the "2nd tier of teams" is disrespect. Tulsa was pretty damn close to finishing 5th last year with an entirely new roster and everything we've seen points to our roster being even better this season. I'd be really surprised if Tulsa doesn't finish ahead of a couple of the UCF, UCONN, Houston, Temple, SMU group.

(11-06-2017 01:17 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:03 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  The disrespect for Tulsa is egregious. People are going to be surprised this year by us. Our new guys seem to have changed the team drastically.

How can you tell how drastically a team has changed based on exhibition play?

Disrespect? You have to earn respect. What teams are Tulsa definitively finishing ahead of and why?

A Wichita State fan lecturing on needing to earn the conference's respect. That's rich.

Not being included in the discussion in the "2nd tier of teams" is disrespect. Tulsa was pretty damn close to finishing 5th last year with an entirely new roster and everything we've seen points to our roster being even better this season. I'd be really surprised if Tulsa doesn't finish ahead of a couple of the UCF, UCONN, Houston, Temple, SMU group.

WSU's recent history and current national ranking speaks for itself, regardless of conference affiliation.

That was a pretty lame answer attempt. Why is Tulsa progressing better than any of the teams you mentioned?

You can whine about disrespect but you can't get mad at it based on neutral people looking at the situation.

One thing that makes Tulsa fans optimistic are these stats:

2 exhibitions last year: 78ppg, 21% 3PT, 56% 2PT, 21.5 topg
2 exhibitions this year: 105ppg, 47% 3PT, 65% 2PT, 10.5 topg

I assume you didn’t follow Tulsa last year after the WSU game but we had 8 new players last season and despite some stumbles OOC we had a good start in conference going 6-2 with wins over UConn, Temple, and UCF before facing Cincinnati for the first time. We lead Cincinnati most of the game with Cincinnati taking the lead on a Copain bucket with less than a minute to go. We had a chance to tie or win but our PGs layup rolled off as time expired. That loss seemed to really deflate the team and they collapsed after that. Even then they could have finished 5th instead of 7th by winning their last game but alas that didn’t happen.

Our biggest problems last season were shooting and turnovers which the stats above would indicate may be greatly improved. Now when we play D-1 competition the defenses will be much better so I don’t expect us to shoot 65% and 47% from 3 for the season but if we had been within 10% of those numbers last year we would have been fighting for the conference title.

I don’t think anyone would say which teams they will definitely finish above because all teams try to improve and player losses can happen. I would be much more confident if one of our sophomore centers hadn’t decided to go pro. If I had to pick teams that that are projected above us that I think we have a good shot at leap frogging if we play well I would pick UCF, UConn, and Temple. If we can find a way to slow down Gray I would add Houston to that list of possibles. Most are picking us 8th, I think we’re more likely to finish 5-7 with an outside shot at 4 if we have no injuries and play well.

(11-06-2017 01:24 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:17 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:03 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  The disrespect for Tulsa is egregious. People are going to be surprised this year by us. Our new guys seem to have changed the team drastically.

How can you tell how drastically a team has changed based on exhibition play?

Disrespect? You have to earn respect. What teams are Tulsa definitively finishing ahead of and why?

A Wichita State fan lecturing on needing to earn the conference's respect. That's rich.

Not being included in the discussion in the "2nd tier of teams" is disrespect. Tulsa was pretty damn close to finishing 5th last year with an entirely new roster and everything we've seen points to our roster being even better this season. I'd be really surprised if Tulsa doesn't finish ahead of a couple of the UCF, UCONN, Houston, Temple, SMU group.

WSU's recent history and current national ranking speaks for itself, regardless of conference affiliation.

That was a pretty lame answer attempt. Why is Tulsa progressing better than any of the teams you mentioned?

You can whine about disrespect but you can't get mad at it based on neutral people looking at the situation.

^ This guys gets it.

UCONN finished ahead of Tulsa last year in our worst season in 30 years. And you don't think UCONN will be better with a healthy roster this year?

No one is saying UConn won’t be better but most seem to be saying Tulsa will be worse by picking us lower than our finish last season. Last year we had 12 players, several of them not as talented as we hoped. Those players have been replaced by players that are either starting or expected to play significant minutes. We have 11 available scholarship players this year (curse you Will Magnay) but more than that we appear to have a team that can play as a unit with quality subs. We will know more in a couple of weeks as TU plays 5 games in 9 days starting the 10th. I don’t see us finishing lower than 7th and think we have a shot at being significantly better than last season.

(11-06-2017 02:28 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  No one is saying UConn won’t be better but most seem to be saying Tulsa will be worse by picking us lower than our finish last season. Last year we had 12 players, several of them not as talented as we hoped. Those players have been replaced by players that are either starting or expected to play significant minutes. We have 11 available scholarship players this year (curse you Will Magnay) but more than that we appear to have a team that can play as a unit with quality subs. We will know more in a couple of weeks as TU plays 5 games in 9 days starting the 10th. I don’t see us finishing lower than 7th and think we have a shot at being significantly better than last season.

I actually think Tulsa will be be better than last year. And still would pick them lower than they finished last year.

Reason 1: A team (WSU) was added in front of you. That bumps a lot of teams down 1 spot.

Reason 2: While I think Tulsa will be improved, I think other teams (UConn, Temple) will be even more improved. Those 2 teams specifically were decimated by injuries last season.

(11-06-2017 02:45 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:28 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  No one is saying UConn won’t be better but most seem to be saying Tulsa will be worse by picking us lower than our finish last season. Last year we had 12 players, several of them not as talented as we hoped. Those players have been replaced by players that are either starting or expected to play significant minutes. We have 11 available scholarship players this year (curse you Will Magnay) but more than that we appear to have a team that can play as a unit with quality subs. We will know more in a couple of weeks as TU plays 5 games in 9 days starting the 10th. I don’t see us finishing lower than 7th and think we have a shot at being significantly better than last season.

I actually think Tulsa will be be better than last year. And still would pick them lower than they finished last year.

Reason 1: A team (WSU) was added in front of you. That bumps a lot of teams down 1 spot.

Reason 2: While I think Tulsa will be improved, I think other teams (UConn, Temple) will be even more improved. Those 2 teams specifically were decimated by injuries last season.

UCONN wasn't good when they weren't injured. This should be Ollie's last season. Temple's freshmen might make a difference, but the Josh Brown return doesn't scare me one iota. Neither one of them are going to have added as much as Tulsa did with the quality Tulsa has returning.

Tulsa has the talent to play with any of the teams in that group. They should be included in everyone's possible tournament teams. Whether Haith can coach them there remains to be seen.