(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  NO, WE ARE ALL SAYING A ONE LOSS AAC CHAMP WILL BE RANKED. And that's the part you don't seem to accept.

I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

Would my aunt be my uncle if she had balls?

Seriously, why are we debating a hypothetical that didn't occur when there is absolutely no way of knowing how a committee of people would have voted IF something that didn't happen happened.

Sometimes you have to learn not to feed the troll...

USFFan

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  NO, WE ARE ALL SAYING A ONE LOSS AAC CHAMP WILL BE RANKED. And that's the part you don't seem to accept.

I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

(11-01-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  NO, WE ARE ALL SAYING A ONE LOSS AAC CHAMP WILL BE RANKED. And that's the part you don't seem to accept.

I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

You still never replied to my post where I pointed out they played the 41st Massey team in Houston. Never mentioning them seems to weaken your argument. Had they beat them, it would've been a good win in an UNDEFEATED season. Waiting to see if you provide the counter argument I expect or ignore like you do with all post that dispute what you post.

If USF beats Houston theyre ranked , and ahead of Arizona who lost to Houston.

(11-01-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  NO, WE ARE ALL SAYING A ONE LOSS AAC CHAMP WILL BE RANKED. And that's the part you don't seem to accept.

I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

By looking at the rankings - AP, coaches & CFP. They all consistently have USF ranked above any other G4 school - despite your perception of a weak record. And that because competition within the AAC is considered tougher than the G4 conferences.

(11-01-2017 02:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  NO, WE ARE ALL SAYING A ONE LOSS AAC CHAMP WILL BE RANKED. And that's the part you don't seem to accept.

I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

By looking at the rankings - AP, coaches & CFP. They all consistently have USF ranked above any other G4 school - despite your perception of a weak record. And that because competition within the AAC is considered tougher than the G4 conferences.

You see, I am not perceiving anything. I am just posting the Massey ratings. These ratings show a very weak schedule

Yes I think they would have been ranked.

(11-01-2017 03:09 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

By looking at the rankings - AP, coaches & CFP. They all consistently have USF ranked above any other G4 school - despite your perception of a weak record. And that because competition within the AAC is considered tougher than the G4 conferences.

You see, I am not perceiving anything. I am just posting the Massey ratings. These ratings show a very weak schedule

Sure you are. You are perceiving the Massey rating have more value than they actually do. USF had a consensus ranking before getting beat by a good UH team & would have been ranked in the CFP if they had remained unbeaten.

(11-01-2017 03:09 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:12 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I am not saying I would not accept it. I actually think it is likely late in the year, as teams lose. I am just saying that if you look at USF's schedule they may not even have been ranked this week. We don't know.

Do you think the committee will ignore the fact that USF's best win will be against Tulane, ranked 85th, if they beat Uconn and Tulsa, and have them ranked going into the USF game?

If for no other reason other than conference play, the AAC perceived leader with zero or 1 (& in some cases possibly two) losses will generally be ranked ahead of G4 schools simply because of the perception of the AAC conference strength & not OOC wins, although they help. Much in the same manner there seems to be a perception of strength or pecking order among the P-5 conferences.

How do you quantify this perception? In this case, USF's schedule is clearly weak. Reasonably, you could surmise that USF was left off this CFP ranking due to said weak schedule, couldn't you?

By looking at the rankings - AP, coaches & CFP. They all consistently have USF ranked above any other G4 school - despite your perception of a weak record. And that because competition within the AAC is considered tougher than the G4 conferences.

You see, I am not perceiving anything. I am just posting the Massey ratings. These ratings show a very weak schedule

Why don't you post the Massey composite rating for 7-0 USF? Composite of 108 ratings had them#22 with the schedule you deride. Had they beaten Houston, the Coogs would have been USF's best win so they wouldn't have gone backwards.
8-0 USF would have looked to the committee a lot like 8-0 WMU last year, which was at #23 in the first poll.

(11-01-2017 02:49 AM)fanhood Wrote:  I know many here are about to tell me to go **** myself, but it is a serious question.

To date, USF has not beaten anyone. From what many columnists are saying, the committee rewarded teams who have beaten other good teams.

According to Massey, these are USFs top wins.

USF: #85 Tulane, #94 Temple, #99 Cinci, #105 Illinois

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ust-right/

"I'm a bit confused by some of the logic here. By ranking Wisconsin and Miami at No. 9 and No. 10, respectively, the committee sent a loud message: "It doesn't matter if you're undefeated if you haven't beaten anybody.""

But, same column:

"All that should matter to UCF fans is that they are the highest-ranked Group of Five team. No matter what the Knights do this season, they won't end up in the top four, so the number next to them doesn't matter as much as their position related to No. 23 Memphis at the moment. Still, No. 18 seems a bit low for a team that's dominated its competition to this point. I know that being undefeated only gets you so far, but it should get you a little further than 18."

Thoughts?

You clearly are not even remotely interested in what anyone here thinks. You just want to explain why you wouldn’t want them to be ranked. Imagine how badly an AAC poster would fare posting similar trash on the much more closed minded Mountain West board.

Your act is wearing thin.

Two teams....two in the top 25 and the chapped arse mwc and big east threads start popping up