I don't think either "side" should be claiming victory yet.

(10-30-2017 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:55 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:44 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta.

Does that name wring a bell with any of you socialist progressives.....?

No matter how many times you whip your skippy to his name dude, it's not going to change the fact that trumps former campaign manager has been charged with conspiracy against our country! And that Papa George admittedly lied to the FBI...more than likely knowingly to obstruct the investigation.

And there is literally NO ONE here on the left who is defending EITHER Podesta.

This is a sad deflection that is accomplishing NOTHING for you our your side.

Manaforts crimes pre date Trump... However, the Podesta Group was active during Hillary Rodham Clintons stint in the Obama..
administration....

Again, Basically NO ONE here is defending Podesta or Hillary. Jumping up and down because their side was just as swampy does nothing to help your cause.

Not to mention, this is more than likely just the beginning. And you're not even giving an ounce of thought to Papa George saying he was guilty.

Stay tuned.

I will stay tuned... since Hillary and Podesta kicked off the dossier...I believe it to be very relevant...

anyone and everyone who clollu8ded with the Russians should be indicted... that includes both Obama and Trump...and any of there evil minions...

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:44 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta.

Does that name wring a bell with any of you socialist progressives.....?

No matter how many times you whip your skippy to his name dude, it's not going to change the fact that trumps former campaign manager has been charged with conspiracy against our country! And that Papa George admittedly lied to the FBI...more than likely knowingly to obstruct the investigation.

And there is literally NO ONE here on the left who is defending EITHER Podesta.

This is a sad deflection that is accomplishing NOTHING for you our your side.

I gather you missed that he was being charged with stuff he did when working for the Podesta group and Tony Podesta just resigned?

(10-30-2017 02:07 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I don't think either "side" should be claiming victory yet.

I concur.

(10-30-2017 12:13 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The real question to me is why Manafort would take ANY high profile position with his little scheme going. Seems like he had avoided major trouble even in the face of a nearly a decade of scrutiny until he joined the Trump campaign.

The FBI has been on his tail for several years.

Win the election a d possibly win a pardon.

So Podesta now steps down from his own lobbying firm....

He is next

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(10-30-2017 02:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:44 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta.

Does that name wring a bell with any of you socialist progressives.....?

No matter how many times you whip your skippy to his name dude, it's not going to change the fact that trumps former campaign manager has been charged with conspiracy against our country! And that Papa George admittedly lied to the FBI...more than likely knowingly to obstruct the investigation.

And there is literally NO ONE here on the left who is defending EITHER Podesta.

This is a sad deflection that is accomplishing NOTHING for you our your side.

I gather you missed that he was being charged with stuff he did when working for the Podesta group and Tony Podesta just resigned?

yea, its a start. You charge them with the easiest to prove stuff, hope the jail sets a bail too high for them and hope they flip (if there is anything to flip about).

(10-30-2017 01:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:43 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:51 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Read through the indictment. It's basically tax evasion on manafort's work with Ukraine, hiding funds, and failing to disclose his work and accounts on government paperwork. Nothing to do with the President or election.

In other words, the same stuff that was an obvious issue last summer when he got fired from the Trump campaign.

Exactly.

Nice try guys...but he resigned and trump thanked him publicly when he did. So you're saying they knew he was committing conspiracy against the US, so they just quietly fired him? C'mon...you're smarter than that.

And it was no secret to many in Washington what Manafort was all about before he was even hired.

The conspiracy against the US is basically conspiracy conspiracy to commit tax evasion. And yes there were rumors of Manafort's Ukraine work since at least 2012. He should never have been hired. I agree with that.

(10-30-2017 02:16 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:55 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:44 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta.

Does that name wring a bell with any of you socialist progressives.....?

No matter how many times you whip your skippy to his name dude, it's not going to change the fact that trumps former campaign manager has been charged with conspiracy against our country! And that Papa George admittedly lied to the FBI...more than likely knowingly to obstruct the investigation.

And there is literally NO ONE here on the left who is defending EITHER Podesta.

This is a sad deflection that is accomplishing NOTHING for you our your side.

Manaforts crimes pre date Trump... However, the Podesta Group was active during Hillary Rodham Clintons stint in the Obama..
administration....

Again, Basically NO ONE here is defending Podesta or Hillary. Jumping up and down because their side was just as swampy does nothing to help your cause.

Not to mention, this is more than likely just the beginning. And you're not even giving an ounce of thought to Papa George saying he was guilty.

Stay tuned.

I will stay tuned... since Hillary and Podesta kicked off the dossier...I believe it to be very relevant...

anyone and everyone who clollu8ded with the Russians should be indicted... that includes both Obama and Trump...and any of there evil minions...

The dossier has nothing to do with Russian collusion! The guy as a former British spy. He was not an agent of or in anyway affiliated with the Russian government!

(10-30-2017 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:13 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:46 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  And did you follow up on how far papadopoulos got with his efforts?

Seems nowhere.

Unpaid position, this guy was working to curry favor with someone over there looking to get an intro of some sort. Got slapped down repeatedly.

Collusion doesn't have to be fruitful my good man. Again, next to no one is saying beyond any doubts that any amount of conclusion or interference by Russia is why H lost or why orange ape won. That's just the right-wing and trump narrative they're trying to push on you. Stop buying it.

And here's the Papa Georges charges.

Take a read, very interesting...
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Yea, Papa lied about when he had contact with this professor, and claimed it was before he was part of the campaign.

NOT anything about what he did or was doing, but when he was doing it.

He lied to the FBI about the timing of his convos with a Russian professor...

Really? That’s what we got?!?

Wow.

Where DO they find these people???? He walks into a meeting in DC and claims he is able to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin! Like Trump needed some 30 year old nobody to arrange it? Sounds more like he was more just trying to hit on the Russian female professor when he was in Italy and the female "Russian National." No pictures in the indictment, so I can't tell. I guess the Russians and the Trump people figured out he was a nobody as nothing happened between April and August 2016.

And this guy was arrested in July. This is not something new.

Not new, but new to us. This had all been sealed and not known until today.

And trump commented on Papa George as a member of his team and there are photos of him in a meeting with trump and others.

The attempts to deflect and write this guy off as just some volunteer are not going to end well for the trumpers.

Not a “Trumper”, so wont pretend to speak for them, but then do tell, what was he?

He was in some pictures? Like the thousands of other pictures and millions of other people?

He was on some volunteer “advisory panel” that apparently met exactly once?

You think this guy really had any sway, even a voice in the mechanics of the Trump campaign?

No one even listened to him. And maybe with good reason, he is dumb enough to have lied to the FBI about the timeframe of what he was doing, while apparently doing nothing else wrong. Duh.

So, if that’s not it in a nutshell for this guy, what more is he?

Deep freaking Throat?!? Lol

He’s gonna get between NO time at all, max 6 months... equiv to State level misdemeanor...

(10-30-2017 02:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:44 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta.

Does that name wring a bell with any of you socialist progressives.....?

No matter how many times you whip your skippy to his name dude, it's not going to change the fact that trumps former campaign manager has been charged with conspiracy against our country! And that Papa George admittedly lied to the FBI...more than likely knowingly to obstruct the investigation.

And there is literally NO ONE here on the left who is defending EITHER Podesta.

This is a sad deflection that is accomplishing NOTHING for you our your side.

I gather you missed that he was being charged with stuff he did when working for the Podesta group and Tony Podesta just resigned?

And I gather that you haven't read Page 1 of the indictment.

Quote:In order to hide Ukraine payments from United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, MANAFORT and GATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts.

Sorry to burst your bubble...but your boy was still committing crimes while working for the orange ape. Oops!

(10-30-2017 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:13 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Collusion doesn't have to be fruitful my good man. Again, next to no one is saying beyond any doubts that any amount of conclusion or interference by Russia is why H lost or why orange ape won. That's just the right-wing and trump narrative they're trying to push on you. Stop buying it.

And here's the Papa Georges charges.

Take a read, very interesting...
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Yea, Papa lied about when he had contact with this professor, and claimed it was before he was part of the campaign.

NOT anything about what he did or was doing, but when he was doing it.

He lied to the FBI about the timing of his convos with a Russian professor...

Really? That’s what we got?!?

Wow.

Where DO they find these people???? He walks into a meeting in DC and claims he is able to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin! Like Trump needed some 30 year old nobody to arrange it? Sounds more like he was more just trying to hit on the Russian female professor when he was in Italy and the female "Russian National." No pictures in the indictment, so I can't tell. I guess the Russians and the Trump people figured out he was a nobody as nothing happened between April and August 2016.

And this guy was arrested in July. This is not something new.

Not new, but new to us. This had all been sealed and not known until today.

And trump commented on Papa George as a member of his team and there are photos of him in a meeting with trump and others.

The attempts to deflect and write this guy off as just some volunteer are not going to end well for the trumpers.

Not a “Trumper”, so wont pretend to speak for them, but then do what was he?

He was in some pictures? Like the thousands of other pictures and millions of people?

He was on some volunteer “advisory panel” that apparently met exactly once?

You think this guy really had any sway, even a voice in the mechanics of the Trump campaign?

No one even listened to him. And maybe with good reason, he is dumb enough to have lied to the FBI about the timeframe of what he was doing, while apparently doing nothing else wrong. Duh.

So, if that’s not it in a nutshell for this guy, what more is he?

Deep freaking Throat?!? Lol

He’s gonna get between NO time at all, max 6 months... equiv to State level misdemeanor...

So some low level volunteer completely lies his ass off to the FBI for what exactly?

But you're right...he won't get much because he'll likely roll over on others...and most likely already has since this was known to the investigation for quite some time now.

The British spy was doing this because of Manaport. Trump should never hired those three. A 4th person might go down next.

(10-30-2017 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:13 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Yea, Papa lied about when he had contact with this professor, and claimed it was before he was part of the campaign.

NOT anything about what he did or was doing, but when he was doing it.

He lied to the FBI about the timing of his convos with a Russian professor...

Really? That’s what we got?!?

Wow.

Where DO they find these people???? He walks into a meeting in DC and claims he is able to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin! Like Trump needed some 30 year old nobody to arrange it? Sounds more like he was more just trying to hit on the Russian female professor when he was in Italy and the female "Russian National." No pictures in the indictment, so I can't tell. I guess the Russians and the Trump people figured out he was a nobody as nothing happened between April and August 2016.

And this guy was arrested in July. This is not something new.

Not new, but new to us. This had all been sealed and not known until today.

And trump commented on Papa George as a member of his team and there are photos of him in a meeting with trump and others.

The attempts to deflect and write this guy off as just some volunteer are not going to end well for the trumpers.

Not a “Trumper”, so wont pretend to speak for them, but then do what was he?

He was in some pictures? Like the thousands of other pictures and millions of people?

He was on some volunteer “advisory panel” that apparently met exactly once?

You think this guy really had any sway, even a voice in the mechanics of the Trump campaign?

No one even listened to him. And maybe with good reason, he is dumb enough to have lied to the FBI about the timeframe of what he was doing, while apparently doing nothing else wrong. Duh.

So, if that’s not it in a nutshell for this guy, what more is he?

Deep freaking Throat?!? Lol

He’s gonna get between NO time at all, max 6 months... equiv to State level misdemeanor...

So some low level volunteer completely lies his ass off to the FBI for what exactly?

But you're right...he won't get much because he'll likely roll over on others...and most likely already has since this was known to the investigation for quite some time now.

Lol.
What do you consider “lies his ass off”?

What I’ve read he, very stupidly, lied about the “when” he had done these emails and perhaps phone calls with some Russian prof. Something there may well have been nothing wrong with.

Why he lied about dates and times, I do not know. But not exactly throwing the murder weapon off a bridge for someone or something along those lines.

Probably panicked about something he didn’t really understand. Got him rattled, he choked and tried to cover what he thought were possible “tracks”...

Dunno. Neither do you.

I think we can all agree that Mueller is after a bigger fish than Manafort.

Now based on the charges brought up against him, who is Manafort more likely roll on: the Trump campaign or Podesta group. If it is the Podesta group who would the ultimate target of that be?

And in other breaking news, Papa George was arrested in Late July and it was only made public today. So Mueller had a couple months to possibly use him to get more information. Stay tuned.

I do wonder if these indictments are a Pandora's box. Whether the hammer comes down on the current administration, the prior administration, or the other candidate in the election...

Roger Stone, Jared Kushner and Michael Flynn all could be in trouble. Kushner have left off certain details that could get him into trouble. Flynn could go down to conspire to kidnapped a US citizen to send back to Turkey. Turkey have become a dictator state, and not to be trusted. They have been bombing the Kurds who were fighting ISIS in Syria.

(10-30-2017 03:13 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I do wonder if these indictments are a Pandora's box. Whether the hammer comes down on the current administration, the prior administration, or the other candidate in the election...

hopefully those 2

(10-30-2017 03:13 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I do wonder if these indictments are a Pandora's box. Whether the hammer comes down on the current administration, the prior administration, or the other candidate in the election...

At this point...I don't care and won't shed any tears if it falls on all of them. Maybe then we'll get real election reform and the coup de gras for me, the death of the dominant two-party political system!

(10-30-2017 03:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Roger Stone, Jared Kushner and Michael Flynn all could be in trouble. Kushner have left off certain details that could get him into trouble. Flynn could go down to conspire to kidnapped a US citizen to send back to Turkey. Turkey have become a dictator state, and not to be trusted. They have been bombing the Kurds who were fighting ISIS in Syria.

Not sure if this means anything or not, but it's interesting nonetheless. Saw this on a tweet a little while ago:

"US District Court for D.C. has four sealed cases on its docket with case numbers between Papa George (182) and Manafort's (201)."