No where in the indictment is the 2016 campaign mentioned

(10-30-2017 09:29 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

Woah Tom.. I agree that Manafort was a tax-evader.

But Dirty?

And he was let go fairly quickly after the primaries.



As for deflections: Do you agree or disagree that the Podesta Group may or may not have been involved in this mess? As such that's not deflection.

You don't consider a tax cheat dirty? And I think he's way more dirty than just filing a bad tax return...lol

And if anyone in the Podesta group committed crimes they belong in jail. But what did they actually do? Pay a former British spy for some opposition research? If that's it, that's not a crime nor is it collusion with a foreign and/or hostile enemy government, right?

criminal charge worthy? Yes...
Dirty? If there's more out there (and there may be), but I don't know if I'd use the term "dirty" at the moment.
Worth an entire probe that was designed around something that occurred two years after the tax evasion? Not a chance.

(10-30-2017 09:32 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Manafort has known this was coming for months. The only reason he was indicted now was because of the Hillary/DNC connection to the Steele dossier. It's all about changing the narrative.

R I D I C U L O U S!

You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

And the crime would be?

Really...you've haven't read that they're indicting him for yet? C'mon man.

Trump's crime, numbnut.

Sorry...thought judgement, a great brain, and hiring the best people were keys trump sold you fools on?

You guys think that this came out now because of the Uranium One. What you should be realizing is they came up with that because they knew this was coming. Anything to distract you guys and it’s obviously worked. A year and a half?????? What kind of nonsense is that? He’s only been a special prosecutor since the spring. What should be scaring everybody is that our House investigation is meaningless. All of this skates if we don’t have a special prosecutor. You have no idea what he has. But conspiracy against the US and he was your campaign manager. Collusion is never going to be proven. They are professionals. You are not goin g to leave tracks there unless someone was extremely careless. The low hanging fruit is money laundering. Laundering money can be traced. It will be in that Bank of Cyprus that is a Tussian mob money front. That’s where they will find them guilty. What I am wondering is if the calls for Trump to release his taxes will get much much much louder. If we had a D Congress we would know. These R’s are as useless as tits on a boar hog when you are counting on them to investigate one of their own.

It's clear now. If only Hillary had been elected we'd have had an administration as pure as the driven snow.

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  criminal charge worthy? Yes...
Dirty? If there's more out there (and there may be), but I don't know if I'd use the term "dirty" at the moment.
Worth an entire probe that was designed around something that occurred two years after the tax evasion? Not a chance.

He was indicted for crimes against the United States. No...nothing dirty there.

You guys......

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  It's clear now. If only Hillary had been elected we'd have had an administration as pure as the driven snow.

Ridiculous deflection.

You guys are so blinded with your hatred for her that you can't even think clearly.

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys think that this came out now because of the Uranium One. What you should be realizing is they came up with that because they knew this was coming. Anything to distract you guys and it’s pnviously worked. A year and a half?????? What kind of nonsense is that? He’s only been a special prosecutor since the spring. What should be scaring everybody is that our House investigation is meaningless. All of this skates if we don’t have a special prosecutor. You have no idea what he has. But conspiracy against the US and he was your campaign manager. Collusion is never going to be proven. They are professionals. You are not goin g to leave tracks there unless someone was extremely careless. The low hanging fruit is money laundering. Laundering money can be traced. It will be in that Bank of Cyprus that is a Tussian mob money front. That’s where they will find them guilty. What I am wondering is if the calls for Trump to release his taxes will get much much much louder. If we had a D Congress we would know. These R’s are as useless as Tits on a boat hog when you are counting on them to investigate one of their own.

You need to clean the crap out from under your fingernails for reaching so deep.

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys think that this came out now because of the Uranium One. What you should be realizing is they came up with that because they knew this was coming. Anything to distract you guys and it’s pnviously worked. A year and a half?????? What kind of nonsense is that? He’s only been a special prosecutor since the spring. What should be scaring everybody is that our House investigation is meaningless. All of this skates if we don’t have a special prosecutor. You have no idea what he has. But conspiracy against the US and he was your campaign manager. Collusion is never going to be proven. They are professionals. You are not goin g to leave tracks there unless someone was extremely careless. The low hanging fruit is money laundering. Laundering money can be traced. It will be in that Bank of Cyprus that is a Tussian mob money front. That’s where they will find them guilty. What I am wondering is if the calls for Trump to release his taxes will get much much much louder. If we had a D Congress we would know. These R’s are as useless as Tits on a boat hog when you are counting on them to investigate one of their own.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

What here is the action and what is the reaction?

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Collusion is never going to be proven.

I didn't think Mach would ever choke down a bad clam.

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:32 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  R I D I C U L O U S!

You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

And the crime would be?

Really...you've haven't read that they're indicting him for yet? C'mon man.

Trump's crime, numbnut.

Sorry...thought judgement, a great brain, and hiring the best people were keys trump sold you fools on?

So far he's sold me on his judicial picks and making liberal heads explode. I'm good.

(10-30-2017 09:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  criminal charge worthy? Yes...
Dirty? If there's more out there (and there may be), but I don't know if I'd use the term "dirty" at the moment.
Worth an entire probe that was designed around something that occurred two years after the tax evasion? Not a chance.

He was indicted for crimes against the United States. No...nothing dirty there.

You guys......

So basically just call out ever tax avoider/evader as Dirty, then Tom.. that's all I'm saying.

I've already said tax evasion is a crime, but I don't call it a 'dirty' crime.

Oh Boy...........


ABC: Former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI agents.

Somebody has flipped............................

(10-30-2017 09:40 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Collusion is never going to be proven.

I didn't think Mach would ever choke down a bad clam.

Without collusion, all Mueller can do it pick around the edges. If he picks too much, he might end up calling attention to things he wished remained hidden from his time at DOJ. My money is on these being the only charges. Mueller will make an announcement before Thanksgiving that there is no proof Trump collude with anybody and quietly sulk away with the manafort charges to protect his reputation.

House of Cards.........................................

So the biggest fish Mueller has is a guy who was involved for the campaign in 2-3 months and then left as soon as the allegations came to light.

Yawn.

This doesn't even rank up there with Hillary selling favors through the Klinton foundation.

(10-30-2017 09:43 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  House of Cards.........................................

You shouldn't be so hard on the donks.

(10-30-2017 09:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:40 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Collusion is never going to be proven.

I didn't think Mach would ever choke down a bad clam.

Without collusion, all Mueller can do it pick around the edges. If he picks too much, he might end up calling attention to things he wished remained hidden from his time at DOJ. My money is on these being the only charges. Mueller will make an announcement before Thanksgiving that there is no proof Trump collude with anybody and quietly sulk away with the manafort charges to protect his reputation.

I think there will be a couple of other charges brought up (since they've already added a pre-campaign crime to this investigation)... but I think the "collusion" charges basically go disappearing into the night.

(10-30-2017 09:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:40 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Collusion is never going to be proven.

I didn't think Mach would ever choke down a bad clam.

Without collusion, all Mueller can do it pick around the edges. If he picks too much, he might end up calling attention to things he wished remained hidden from his time at DOJ. My money is on these being the only charges. Mueller will make an announcement before Thanksgiving that there is no proof Trump collude with anybody and quietly sulk away with the manafort charges to protect his reputation.

From what I hear, there are ham sammiches crapping their pants right now.