(11-01-2017 01:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I just don't get why people get upset if schools want to attempt FBS. If they wish too, I have no issue it. If they fail, so be it. If they succeed, good for them.

I don't see anyone getting upset if UIW, etc want to go FBS.


But the negativity has centered around:

1) NoDak's misreading of the article
2) The viability of UIW to go FBS.


Most think that in current state, UIW is nowhere close to being ready for the jump. Liberty at least had the stadium, the money and the attendance.

So UIW looking at dropping sports so it can go FBS is a misread now?

Is that your final answer?

(11-01-2017 01:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I just don't get why people get upset if schools want to attempt FBS. If they wish too, I have no issue it. If they fail, so be it. If they succeed, good for them.

I don't see anyone getting upset if UIW, etc want to go FBS.


But the negativity has centered around:

1) NoDak's misreading of the article
2) The viability of UIW to go FBS.


Most think that in current state, UIW is nowhere close to being ready for the jump. Liberty at least had the stadium, the money and the attendance.

Some of the top FCS schools would have backings with P5 and G5 to go Independent in football at the FBS level.

(11-01-2017 02:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 01:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I just don't get why people get upset if schools want to attempt FBS. If they wish too, I have no issue it. If they fail, so be it. If they succeed, good for them.

I don't see anyone getting upset if UIW, etc want to go FBS.


But the negativity has centered around:

1) NoDak's misreading of the article
2) The viability of UIW to go FBS.


Most think that in current state, UIW is nowhere close to being ready for the jump. Liberty at least had the stadium, the money and the attendance.

So UIW looking at dropping sports so it can go FBS is a misread now?

Is that your final answer?

Yes

(11-01-2017 02:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So UIW looking at dropping sports so it can go FBS is a misread now?

Is that your final answer?

Yes. They're dropping sports because they're growing into a normal Division I FCS athletic department. You don't see other $18M athletic budget schools doing 20-23 sports, do you? There are reasons for that. There are expenses involved in doing a sport at D-I rather than D-II, and if UIW wants to be competitive in the Southland and in FCS they're going to have to prioritize and focus their resources on conference sports.

If you followed the NFL, you'd post breathless articles every time some doormat franchise coach or GM or player said "Sure, our goal every year is to win a Super Bowl" about how that team was going to win the Super Bowl.
Even if the rest of the article is about how they're releasing veterans and giving playing time to rookies and practice-squadders to evaluate talent for the future.

The AD of UIW made cardinal sin by not saying they were extremely happy in the Southland. Presidents and AD's dont make realignment waves in the press unless they have some motive. Here's an old story of UiW's President and coach getting into a Twitter war with UTSA's FBS team.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2016/2/29...own-series

While not saying a UIW FBS move is inevitable, posters that say the opposite are just full of hubris. They ignore statements from NMSU and Seattle coaches that more fb teams are coming to the WAC. Any WAC fb school doesn't need an FBS waiver, which originally was denied by these same posters, who have also said UIW can't get one which they don't need in the WAC.

So if UIW going FBS is happening, why in the world did the WAC add California Baptist? UIW could step into the WAC this July if Chicago State bit the dust.

(11-01-2017 01:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I just don't get why people get upset if schools want to attempt FBS. If they wish too, I have no issue it. If they fail, so be it. If they succeed, good for them.

I don't see anyone getting upset if UIW, etc want to go FBS.


But the negativity has centered around:

1) NoDak's misreading of the article
2) The viability of UIW to go FBS.


Most think that in current state, UIW is nowhere close to being ready for the jump. Liberty at least had the stadium, the money and the attendance.

Basically, LU's FBS decision was predicated on LU's willingness to spend 200 million or more on FBS football. UIW doesn't have that money and doesn't appear to be able to get that money. UIW, unlike LU, would also probably need some return on that investment

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

(11-05-2017 12:50 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

Maybe so but nobody wants Idaho which was part of the equation that led them back to the BSC.

I like Idaho's addition, but with UND gone I wouldn't mind seeing Idaho stick it out in FBS and the BSC going down to 10 Oly members.

(11-05-2017 12:50 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

Idaho needs to meet with Benson and the SunBelt presidents, and apprise them of the situation, IMO. Idaho needs to get a pro football president stat!!

(11-05-2017 03:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 12:50 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

Idaho needs to meet with Benson and the SunBelt presidents, and apprise them of the situation, IMO. Idaho needs to get a pro football president stat!!

LOL...they did and they kicked them and NMSU out of the conference.

(11-05-2017 03:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 03:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 12:50 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

Idaho needs to meet with Benson and the SunBelt presidents, and apprise them of the situation, IMO. Idaho needs to get a pro football president stat!!

LOL...they did and they kicked them and NMSU out of the conference.

No kidding.

Yeah, I'm afraid there's no future in the Sun Belt for Idaho. The way the CFP payout is structured it just doesn't make sense for that conference unless we're a football powerhouse. And, uh, we're not.

SBC did not take powerhouses in Football.

Georgia State
Texas State
Coastal Carolina

If they wanted powerhouses of football from the FCS> They should have went after Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, McNeese State and Sam Houston State. I could throw in Youngstown State, Stony Brook, New Hampshire, Richmond, Villanova and some others. Big Sky, OVC, Southland, Southern and MVFC have the power house football teams. Some teams they did want turned them down.

(11-05-2017 05:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  SBC did not take powerhouses in Football.

Georgia State
Texas State
Coastal Carolina

If they wanted powerhouses of football from the FCS> They should have went after Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, McNeese State and Sam Houston State. I could throw in Youngstown State, Stony Brook, New Hampshire, Richmond, Villanova and some others. Big Sky, OVC, Southland, Southern and MVFC have the power house football teams. Some teams they did want turned them down.

I've seen this delusional hijacking junk before ... MAC was replaced with SBC. We now return to the UIW discussion.

People from the U of I that I know prefer being in the Big Sky, but they are not in the Northern area of the state, which is probably a factor.


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(11-05-2017 04:12 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 03:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 03:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 12:50 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:49 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Because they are going FCS. Idaho is no longer a viable option as an FBS FB member.

Actually, I think this is a misread of the current Idaho situation. The atmosphere here is completely toxic, to the point where the president who initiated the drop-down is now actively shopping his resume (he was one of five finalists for the UNM job that was filled on Thursday). He'll be gone soon, and everyone involved will be looking for a way out of the mess they're in.

If there were a path for Idaho to get into an FBS conference, I'd be confident we'd take it, even if we ended up playing a bunch of Texas schools. Reaction to the Big Sky move has been that violently negative. But, I agree with the majority opinion here that there isn't anything serious in the works, so it probably doesn't matter.

Idaho needs to meet with Benson and the SunBelt presidents, and apprise them of the situation, IMO. Idaho needs to get a pro football president stat!!

LOL...they did and they kicked them and NMSU out of the conference.

No kidding.

This was also with the CURRENT president in power, not a NEW president in power at U of Idaho.

(10-30-2017 01:00 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  [quote='NoDak' pid='14726813' dateline='1509338418']
There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because Idaho, the Montanas, and EWU are joining to Summit to save it and making it fBS.
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Adding those programs is going to strech it's membership over 4 time zones. Unworkable.

Summit has a fairly compact membership now, don't need to strech it to the mountain and pacific time zones.

IPFW
WIU
NDST
UND (joining)
USD
SDST
Oral Roberts
Denver
Nebraska Omaha

(11-05-2017 08:09 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 05:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  SBC did not take powerhouses in Football.

Georgia State
Texas State
Coastal Carolina

If they wanted powerhouses of football from the FCS> They should have went after Northern Iowa, North Dakota State, Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, McNeese State and Sam Houston State. I could throw in Youngstown State, Stony Brook, New Hampshire, Richmond, Villanova and some others. Big Sky, OVC, Southland, Southern and MVFC have the power house football teams. Some teams they did want turned them down.

I've seen this delusional hijacking junk before ... MAC was replaced with SBC. We now return to the UIW discussion.

I was replying to LatahCounty about his team Idaho and SBC. I did not hijacked the thread. It was already hijacked by NoDakota and others about Idaho and the SBC.

So does Incarnate Word, or anyone in the Southland for that matter, see their FBS path through the WAC with their football going Indy?