(10-08-2017 10:02 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I did not think it would be this bad. I figured UC would struggle early getting used to the new staff. But we are 6 games in to the season and I've seen no improvement on defense, in fact they appear to have regressed.

The offense has been awful but actually did ok last night.

I am still bothered by the number and poor timing of penalties and apparent lack of discipline.

I had feeling they would struggle early but not this bad. After the USF game the rest of the schedule has five games that UC should be compete in and find some victories. SMU and Tulane are better teams but not consistent enough to where I would considered them automatics losses. Temple has a really bad offense while ECU and UConn are just bad.

If this coaching staff is worth anything they will figure out a way to win some games at the end of the season.

(10-08-2017 10:08 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:02 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I did not think it would be this bad. I figured UC would struggle early getting used to the new staff. But we are 6 games in to the season and I've seen no improvement on defense, in fact they appear to have regressed.

The offense has been awful but actually did ok last night.

I am still bothered by the number and poor timing of penalties and apparent lack of discipline.

I had feeling they would struggle early but not this bad. After the USF game the rest of the schedule has five games that UC should be compete in and find some victories. SMU and Tulane are better teams but not consistent enough to where I would considered them automatics losses. Temple has a really bad offense while ECU and UConn are just bad.

If this coaching staff is worth anything they will figure out a way to win some games at the end of the season.

everyone keeps talking about the end of the season and how we are magically going to be better, but the same applies to UCONN, Temple, ECU ect. They equally 'should' be better so really, the question is, do we have the coaching staff and talent to beat them? The getting better piece is most likely a wash.

I think the only two teams we have the talent and coaching to potentially beat at this point are ECU and UCONN and those two are not givens in any way.

Did they finish the game or call it?

Areas where we could progress:
1. Young guys getting more PT and getting more comfortable.
2. Coaches working together better as a team- better time management, situational playcalling, etc.
3. Limiting stupid penalties
4. FG/PAT kicking if Jones is an improvement over
5. Getting into a rhythm more quickly on offense.
Things that won't likely get fixed:
1. Mike Boone being able to stay on the field. Kid seems to get injured every other play.
2. Better talent in the secondary.
3. Talent on the o-line.

(10-08-2017 10:19 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:08 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:02 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I did not think it would be this bad. I figured UC would struggle early getting used to the new staff. But we are 6 games in to the season and I've seen no improvement on defense, in fact they appear to have regressed.

The offense has been awful but actually did ok last night.

I am still bothered by the number and poor timing of penalties and apparent lack of discipline.

I had feeling they would struggle early but not this bad. After the USF game the rest of the schedule has five games that UC should be compete in and find some victories. SMU and Tulane are better teams but not consistent enough to where I would considered them automatics losses. Temple has a really bad offense while ECU and UConn are just bad.

If this coaching staff is worth anything they will figure out a way to win some games at the end of the season.

everyone keeps talking about the end of the season and how we are magically going to be better, but the same applies to UCONN, Temple, ECU ect. They equally 'should' be better so really, the question is, do we have the coaching staff and talent to beat them? The getting better piece is most likely a wash.

I think the only two teams we have the talent and coaching to potentially beat at this point are ECU and UCONN and those two are not givens in any way.

I think Fickel is a good coach. I do not know about those other guys with UConn et al. We will get better. He continues to make the correct moves. I am not seeing the crazy things that signify an out of control program. For instance, when the Cincy post reported that Lou Banks was chasing Cedric Glover around with a board with a nail sticking out, it was time for Coach Yates to go. Nothing even remotely like that. Young guys are getting more and more snaps. I saw Marquis Smith and Dublanko with the ones last night. Tuberville left a **** train. This carrier is sailing in the right direction, it just needs a few significant adjustments.

(10-08-2017 10:33 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Areas where we could progress:
1. Young guys getting more PT and getting more comfortable.
2. Coaches working together better as a team- better time management, situational playcalling, etc.
3. Limiting stupid penalties
4. FG/PAT kicking if Jones is an improvement over
5. Getting into a rhythm more quickly on offense.
Things that won't likely get fixed:
1. Mike Boone being able to stay on the field. Kid seems to get injured every other play.
2. Better talent in the secondary.
3. Talent on the o-line.

This is right on in my opinion.

(10-08-2017 12:39 AM)calpersfatcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 08:24 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 08:21 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  My only gripe with Fickell is him not putting Trail in. What do you have to lose at this point?

Me thinks we don't know the whole story...

I don't care how good Trail is, I say stick with Hayden Moore if for no other reason than I am sick and tired of watching Trail laugh, joke and grab ass on the sidelines while losing by 20 points. He did the same crap last week while getting blown out by Marshall.

While watching through binoculars, it looked like Tyler Cogswell walked over to Trail and told Trail to stop acting like a pre-teen girl at the food court in the mall. (My binoculars are awesome but I admit that I am speculating a little bit...)

Either Trail has a serious maturity issue or I am a cranky old man who thinks that players should be at least as pissed off as the Bearcat fans when getting hammered at home. By UCF. and Marshall, for goodness sake. Marshall.

DL

I have been saying it for months. I think that he is gone with a medical redshirt. I would deactivate him for the remainder of the season.

(10-08-2017 09:08 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 11:50 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  It went about how I thought it would go. Nothing new this week. I think our offense is hampered by a lack of talent at every position except runningbacks. But when the only real threat is RB, it makes it easier for the defense to key on them. I did like some of the playcalling today though... but at the same time a little too much wildcat too.

Our secondary, mainly the corners, can't cover anyone. If you see a wide open receiver you can bet the house that 13 is ten yards behind trying to catch up. 9 can stick around better, but has no idea where the ball is at any point in time. They both have been like that for four years, so I'm not surprised this continues.

I'm not mad or disappointed. I knew this was going to happen. I mean, UCF is no scrub, they have a top 10 offense that was going to devour our secondary no matter what. I'm excited. Despite all this garbage, I still see improvements from last year. We've got strong recruiting classes coming in to work with coaches known for player development, but that takes time. It's going to get better, and I'm glad I'm gonna be here to see that transformation.

Wonder what this board was like in 2010, or if it existed then, Dantonios SECOND year lol

It was around in 2005, not as reactive because we hadn't tasted the sweet nectar that was 2006-20012. Folks we're going ape in 2010 though and ready to run BJ out of town.

Some folks were going apeshit in 2010. However, other folks said in advance to prepare for it because we were going to struggle that year against that schedule.

I was one that went apeshit. I thought Jones was a Kragthorpe. I hated his hokey little sayings and believed that he was a disaster. I was wrong. Jones was above average coach having the growing pains of the new system installation. Fickel and Jones are very similar. The turn around may be next year. Cannot say for sure since Flubs left us with a crap roster and the DC may need upgrading.

(10-08-2017 10:51 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 09:08 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 11:50 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  It went about how I thought it would go. Nothing new this week. I think our offense is hampered by a lack of talent at every position except runningbacks. But when the only real threat is RB, it makes it easier for the defense to key on them. I did like some of the playcalling today though... but at the same time a little too much wildcat too.

Our secondary, mainly the corners, can't cover anyone. If you see a wide open receiver you can bet the house that 13 is ten yards behind trying to catch up. 9 can stick around better, but has no idea where the ball is at any point in time. They both have been like that for four years, so I'm not surprised this continues.

I'm not mad or disappointed. I knew this was going to happen. I mean, UCF is no scrub, they have a top 10 offense that was going to devour our secondary no matter what. I'm excited. Despite all this garbage, I still see improvements from last year. We've got strong recruiting classes coming in to work with coaches known for player development, but that takes time. It's going to get better, and I'm glad I'm gonna be here to see that transformation.

Wonder what this board was like in 2010, or if it existed then, Dantonios SECOND year lol

It was around in 2005, not as reactive because we hadn't tasted the sweet nectar that was 2006-20012. Folks we're going ape in 2010 though and ready to run BJ out of town.

Some folks were going apeshit in 2010. However, other folks said in advance to prepare for it because we were going to struggle that year against that schedule.

I was one that went apeshit. I thought Jones was a Kragthorpe. I hated his hokey little sayings and believed that he was a disaster. I was wrong. Jones was above average coach having the growing pains of the new system installation. Fickel and Jones are very similar. The turn around may be next year. Cannot say for sure since Flubs left us with a crap roster and the DC may need upgrading.

Very fair assessment.

I expect the turnaround to be year #3 since this roster is so historically bad. And I don't just mean lack of talent (which it lacks). It's the most lopsided class distribution of a roster that I can recall. What happens when close to 30% of your total recruits for 4 straight years are JUCOs and not upper tier JUCOs at that.

In year 3 the staff will have the current youth who are worth the time ready to go and will have another 2 classes to upgrade a depleted roster.

My only fear with this staff is that it may not know how to coach cruddy talent. Some engines are better at working with low test. Some run better with higher octane.

(10-08-2017 11:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:51 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 09:08 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-07-2017 11:50 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  It went about how I thought it would go. Nothing new this week. I think our offense is hampered by a lack of talent at every position except runningbacks. But when the only real threat is RB, it makes it easier for the defense to key on them. I did like some of the playcalling today though... but at the same time a little too much wildcat too.

Our secondary, mainly the corners, can't cover anyone. If you see a wide open receiver you can bet the house that 13 is ten yards behind trying to catch up. 9 can stick around better, but has no idea where the ball is at any point in time. They both have been like that for four years, so I'm not surprised this continues.

I'm not mad or disappointed. I knew this was going to happen. I mean, UCF is no scrub, they have a top 10 offense that was going to devour our secondary no matter what. I'm excited. Despite all this garbage, I still see improvements from last year. We've got strong recruiting classes coming in to work with coaches known for player development, but that takes time. It's going to get better, and I'm glad I'm gonna be here to see that transformation.

Wonder what this board was like in 2010, or if it existed then, Dantonios SECOND year lol

It was around in 2005, not as reactive because we hadn't tasted the sweet nectar that was 2006-20012. Folks we're going ape in 2010 though and ready to run BJ out of town.

Some folks were going apeshit in 2010. However, other folks said in advance to prepare for it because we were going to struggle that year against that schedule.

I was one that went apeshit. I thought Jones was a Kragthorpe. I hated his hokey little sayings and believed that he was a disaster. I was wrong. Jones was above average coach having the growing pains of the new system installation. Fickel and Jones are very similar. The turn around may be next year. Cannot say for sure since Flubs left us with a crap roster and the DC may need upgrading.

Very fair assessment.

I expect the turnaround to be year #3 since this roster is so historically bad. And I don't just mean lack of talent (which it lacks). It's the most lopsided class distribution of a roster that I can recall. What happens when close to 30% of your total recruits for 4 straight years are JUCOs and not upper tier JUCOs at that.

In year 3 the staff will have the current youth who are worth the time ready to go and will have another 2 classes to upgrade a depleted roster.

My only fear with this staff is that it may not know how to coach cruddy talent. Some engines are better at working with low test. Some run better with higher octane.

That is my concern as well. Sometimes going the MAC/C-USA route for a coach is better because those guys have to scheme with lesser talent while power conference assistants are used to elite players

While I have targeted year two as bowl game, I might have to push that back to year three until I looked at the future schedule.

2019
Home: UCLA, Miami, UCF, UConn, Tulsa, Temple
Road: Ohio State, Marshall, ECU, Houston, Memphis, USF

I am guessing that UC will have to win four or five home games to offset that brutal road schedule to get six wins in 2019.

The path to six wins in 2018 has to come from these seven games, FCS team (TBA?), Miami Ohio (PBS), Ohio University, Tulane (Home), ECU (Home), UConn (Away), Temple (Away)

I gotta say, this team definately lacks talent, but has more talent than Minters teams did and I never remember us getting shelacked like we have been getting. We have taken some absolute beating the last few years, I don't know how many more of these I can take.

(10-08-2017 01:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  I gotta say, this team definately lacks talent, but has more talent than Minters teams did and I never remember us getting shelacked like we have been getting. We have taken some absolute beating the last few years, I don't know how many more of these I can take.

We did lose badly under Minter but maybe did not look this bad for this many games in a row.

There was a memorable 62-16 shellacking in 98 at the hands of UofL.

http://enquirer.com/bearcats/1998/10/100498ul.html

(10-08-2017 02:47 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 01:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  I gotta say, this team definately lacks talent, but has more talent than Minters teams did and I never remember us getting shelacked like we have been getting. We have taken some absolute beating the last few years, I don't know how many more of these I can take.

We did lose badly under Minter but maybe did not look this bad for this many games in a row.

There was a memorable 62-16 shellacking in 98 at the hands of UofL.

http://enquirer.com/bearcats/1998/10/100498ul.html

Tulane gave us an epic beating that year also at Nippert. That teams was pretty young.

(10-08-2017 01:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  I gotta say, this team definately lacks talent, but has more talent than Minters teams did and I never remember us getting shelacked like we have been getting. We have taken some absolute beating the last few years, I don't know how many more of these I can take.

Pick a year that a Minter team had less collective talent at OL, the secondary and even the front seven. I'm sure there is one but despite being in tha stands for all of those years I can't think of it.

2 of our losses are to top 25 teams. Navy pretty tough to defend as well. Schedule has played a role.

(10-08-2017 03:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 01:30 PM)jarr Wrote:  I gotta say, this team definately lacks talent, but has more talent than Minters teams did and I never remember us getting shelacked like we have been getting. We have taken some absolute beating the last few years, I don't know how many more of these I can take.

Pick a year that a Minter team had less collective talent at OL, the secondary and even the front seven. I'm sure there is one but despite being in tha stands for all of those years I can't think of it.

1998-Cincinnati (CUSA)

9/5 vs. *Tulane (12-0) L 34 52
9/12 vs. Miami (Florida) (9-3) L 12 38
9/19 @ *Army (3-8) L 20 37
9/26 vs. Indiana (4-7) L 14 48
10/3 @ *Louisville (7-5) L 19 62
10/10 @ Syracuse (8-4) L 21 63
10/17 @ *Memphis (2-9) L 23 41
10/24 vs. Miami (Ohio) (10-1) L 0 41
11/5 vs. *East Carolina (6-5) L 21 24
11/14 vs. *Houston (3-8) W 44 43
11/21 @ Arkansas State (4-8) W 51 7

2-9-0

259 456

I still have the IU and Miami losses @Nippert playback nightmares.

That was coming off of the Humanitarian Bowl season. UC lost 6 guys that were drafted into the NFL that year.

BTW, I'd take Deonte Kenner, Demarco McClesky, Orlando Smith, and Cooper in the backfield right now. And I was not a Kenner fan. I'm even less of a Moore fan, though.

(10-08-2017 03:21 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  2 of our losses are to top 25 teams. Navy pretty tough to defend as well. Schedule has played a role.

Now 3/4 with Navy jumping into the Top 25 in both polls.

(10-08-2017 03:21 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  2 of our losses are to top 25 teams. Navy pretty tough to defend as well. Schedule has played a role.

True but we've not really looked good at any point. And then there's a sound beating by Marshall who managed 14 points against a Charlotte juggernaut.

(10-08-2017 03:56 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 03:21 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  2 of our losses are to top 25 teams. Navy pretty tough to defend as well. Schedule has played a role.

Now 3/4 with Navy jumping into the Top 25 in both polls.

The quality of the opposition matters - but:

1. Repeated stupid penalties are self inflicted.

2. Running KOs from deep out of the EZ is self inflicted - I DO NOTE THAT PROBLEM WAS CORRECTED LAST NIGHT.

3. Not having a place kicker is self inflicted.

4. DBs who come up on every pump fake is self inflicted.

I repeatedly go back to the Michigan game. For 3 qtrs we played them tough. That team did not come home to Cincy.

One other thing. In the early season I thought we did a good job of denying the outside to the opposition and turning plays back in. We seem to have lost tthat.

Bob