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“A Fool’s Hope”
Where did all the potential transfers go as a result of two years of FREE college in Tennessee? Dr. Noland, in perhaps an uncomplementary way, points out that it did not seem to work out as projected. I always thought that those attending TN four year public colleges starting as freshmen got a bad deal. Perhaps even two years of FREE is not enough incentive for some to pursue a four year degree. Maybe Tennessee Promise needs some tweeting.


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10-03-2017 08:14 AM
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(10-03-2017 08:14 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  Where did all the potential transfers go as a result of two years of FREE college in Tennessee? Dr. Noland, in perhaps an uncomplementary way, points out that it did not seem to work out as projected. I always thought that those attending TN four year public colleges starting as freshmen got a bad deal. Perhaps even two years of FREE is not enough incentive for some to pursue a four year degree. Maybe Tennessee Promise needs some tweeting.


http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Educatio...t-in-state

Not everyone should or needs to go to a 4 year university. I wish our politicians and business leaders would stop pushing college on everyone. Not every job requires a degree.

That said I think having vocational or university tracks at the 2 year college level is good. Having vocational tracks at the high school level is outdated.
10-03-2017 09:57 AM
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(10-03-2017 09:57 AM)brock20 Wrote:  Not everyone should or needs to go to a 4 year university. I wish our politicians and business leaders would stop pushing college on everyone. Not every job requires a degree.

While I don't technically disagree with you, a 4-yr. college degree **most of the time** gives graduating students critical thinking skills which they might not otherwise gain, or gain as early in life. Yes, there are failures even then. But my goodness this country needs more people with truly developed, intact critical thinking skills. To me, that's more important to the future of this country than the actual job skills (at that stage of life). And that's not meant to diss job skills, as in many professions that's certainly required and totally necessary. Hopefully one can acquire both in 4 years. Just sayin'.....
10-03-2017 10:13 AM
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Frankly, I think we probably have too many people in this country going to college. We need college for some specific things but we then need quality tradespeople who know a craft and will show up for their job sober.

However, I do hope that my children follow my lead and attend college. When they do, they (or I) will be paying for 4 years of a university education and not getting 2 years free at a community college.
10-03-2017 04:18 PM
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Tennessee ranks 40th in number of people with 4yr degrees. That's awful.

You can't and won't be able to successfully recruit business and industry unless you have an educated workforce. It's a fact that the Tri-Cities area has lost companies and businesses because of the lack of an educated workforce.

IMO, every 4 or 2 year school should offer first two years free. I don't believe it's fair for students attending a 2 yr college to get a free ride when a student attending a 4 yr school doesn't. It should be a level playing field.

Yes there are some trades that don't require a 4 yr degree, but there are many many more opportunities afforded to a 4 yr degree person.
10-04-2017 02:26 PM
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(10-04-2017 02:26 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Tennessee ranks 40th in number of people with 4yr degrees. That's awful.

You can't and won't be able to successfully recruit business and industry unless you have an educated workforce. It's a fact that the Tri-Cities area has lost companies and businesses because of the lack of an educated workforce.

IMO, every 4 or 2 year school should offer first two years free. I don't believe it's fair for students attending a 2 yr college to get a free ride when a student attending a 4 yr school doesn't. It should be a level playing field.

Yes there are some trades that don't require a 4 yr degree, but there are many many more opportunities afforded to a 4 yr degree person.

I could not agree more. The tuition idea is great just make it the 4 year schools also.
10-04-2017 04:13 PM
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Seems that at some point, this would translate into an increase of transfers to the four year institutions:

http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/educa.../97440870/
10-05-2017 07:22 AM
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(10-05-2017 07:22 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  Seems that at some point, this would translate into an increase of transfers to the four year institutions:

http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/educa.../97440870/

Not if their aspiration was a technical certificate or an associate degree. Add to this the fact that some community colleges are experiencing an enrollment decrease even with the advent of Promise.
10-05-2017 10:34 AM
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