"We have nothing to fear but the big water, the ocean water, between us and Europe. Very difficult. Can't drive trucks. Sad!" - FDR, defending slow US response to Hitler

(09-29-2017 12:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  Almost makes you wonder if CNN is really run by Breitbart, trying to make Democrats look stupid.

As if they needed any outside help with that.

Example A of the above

(09-29-2017 01:05 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  "We have nothing to fear but the big water, the ocean water, between us and Europe. Very difficult. Can't drive trucks. Sad!" - FDR, defending slow US response to Hitler

This whole thing is simply absurd. Disaster response must be coordinated carefully or it will do more harm than good. I wonder how many posters have been involved in actually planning and/or executing any major disaster response. From the comments, I doubt most have.

(09-29-2017 03:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This whole thing is simply absurd. Disaster response must be coordinated carefully or it will do more harm than good. I wonder how many posters have been involved in actually planning and/or executing any major disaster response. From the comments, I doubt most have.

I could just about walk through each page of comments and tell you who has and who hasn't. It's fairly clear.

(09-29-2017 03:13 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This whole thing is simply absurd. Disaster response must be coordinated carefully or it will do more harm than good. I wonder how many posters have been involved in actually planning and/or executing any major disaster response. From the comments, I doubt most have.

I could just about walk through each page of comments and tell you who has and who hasn't. It's fairly clear.

Yup.

Maybe it's time to repeal the cabotage provisions in the Jones Act permanently?

http://m.tribune242.com/news/2017/sep/29...tes=mobile

(10-01-2017 10:58 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Maybe it's time to repeal the cabotage provisions in the Jones Act permanently?
http://m.tribune242.com/news/2017/sep/29...tes=mobile

At least make it easier to waive them in emergencies. That would have helped with the BP blowout disaster, too, among many others.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act deals with cabotage and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

I thought it would be nice if people could actually see what the Jones act is. This comes from Wikipedia so I'm sure the explanation is pretty simplified. My question is, what would repealing this act accomplish? Did we have a long line of foreign ships waiting to assist us? If so, where are they? My guess is even if we had all those foreign ships they would have to wait for the port to be cleared just like us. The Jones act also applies to aviation. Did we have a long line of other countries aircraft willing to lend their support? Again, where are they? It also applies to trucking and railroads, but surely liberals don't expect us to lay track or build roads to PR. Or do they? The sad fact is, when it comes to disasters affecting us....we get no foreign help, never have, never will.

(10-01-2017 01:21 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act deals with cabotage and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

I thought it would be nice if people could actually see what the Jones act is. This comes from Wikipedia so I'm sure the explanation is pretty simplified. My question is, what would repealing this act accomplish? Did we have a long line of foreign ships waiting to assist us? If so, where are they? My guess is even if we had all those foreign ships they would have to wait for the port to be cleared just like us. The Jones act also applies to aviation. Did we have a long line of other countries aircraft willing to lend their support? Again, where are they? It also applies to trucking and railroads, but surely liberals don't expect us to lay track or build roads to PR. Or do they? The sad fact is, when it comes to disasters affecting us....we get no foreign help, never have, never will.

If you repeal it, there would be zero American flagged ships on the planet.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...ico-crisis

Left leaning Bloomberg has an interview with a former Naval officer claiming Puerto Rico has been handled fine so far.

(09-29-2017 10:13 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 09:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 09:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 09:30 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  [quote='Fitbud' pid='14628806' dateline='1506694896']
[quote='200yrs2late' pid='14628530' dateline='1506687316']
New report on the radio this morning stated there are over 10,000 shipping containers already sitting at ports in PR. Destroyed infrastructure has prevented the needed supplies from getting off the ports and out to the people.

Why aren't they just dropping them from planes? Don't they do that in African aid situations?

Now you are on a different argument. I'm sure food could be air dropped to more remote locations or to people that desperately need it. Hell it could already be taking place for all we know. The thread was about the Jones Act and libs trying to claim Trump is too wrapped up in a pissing match with the NFL to properly respond to PR. That isn't the case.

But no one has explained why he waited to waive the Jones Act. On top of that, why did they wait 8 days before assigning a 3 star general to the situation?

Quote:10,000 shipping containers at the port the MORNING AFTER the Jones Act was lifted. Do you think they magically showed up in a few hours, or can you maybe reason that there have been supplies arriving since Irma hit and the ports were possibly near capacity since they seem to have trouble getting supplies from the port to parts of the country.

(09-29-2017 09:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They knew for at least 3 days before the storm that PR was going to take a direct hit. They must have known that PR had bad infrastructure right?

Hey genius, it takes more than a couple days or even week or two to recover from the impact of a storm the size of Irma. You think they should have completely rebuilt PR between the storms?

(09-29-2017 09:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They saw what two previous storms did. Why weren't they prepared?

Again, recovery takes time. Don't play dumb.

Of course it takes time. It's going to take months for these people to even have any semblance of a normal life.

What I am asking is why did it take so long to start the recovery?

Still waiting for someone to give an answer.

It's said "a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets it's boots on." Luckily for us the lie is still up here to be examined. (From a Bloomberg Article; an interview with retired Navy captain Jerry Hendrix.)

TH: So, it seems like everybody has blasted Trump administration's response to the Puerto Rico crisis. Has that criticism been fair?

JH: No, I don’t think so. First of all, there was a fair amount of anticipatory action that is not being recognized. Amphibious ships, including the light amphibious carriers Kearsarge and Wasp and the amphibious landing ship dock Oak Hill were at sea and dispatched to Puerto Rico ahead of the hurricane’s impact.

See the lie is nothing was done ahead of the hurricanes land fall in PR. And the truth is spelled out here. See you can say bad things about conservatives and republicans, But when you disparage the honor of the men and women serving in the United States Navy...Well then YOU PISS ME OFF.

(09-28-2017 12:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  A net drain? Puerto Rican people contribute in American society in many ways. Baseball would have to practically shut down if it wasn't for Puerto Ricans.

Is the Dominican Republic send baseball players to America? Are they a US territory..

Quote:What about the music industry?

Pretty sure we would get along just fine without them

Quote:Military?

Pretty sure we would get along just fine without them

This is getting to be almost too easy.

Everything the left tries to pin on Trump not only slides right off but turns around and slaps them in the face.

He really is Teflon Don.

This Puerto Rico mayor thing has backfired big time.

Here are some statistics on US flagged ships:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S...ant_Marine

The few ocean-going cruise ships registered in this country include Norwegian Cruise Line's Pride of America, and several casino ships (such as Victory Cruises in Florida).