(09-27-2017 09:53 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:58 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'll give you one example. Cleveland cops roll up on a kid with a toy gun in a park, The cop gets out and just kills the kid by shooting him in like 10 seconds. If the kid was white or in a better neighborhood, would he have been shot? I doubt it. I'm sure you don't. But can't you see that blacks might actually see it differently?

I gave you numbers. You respond with this BS. I don't care how they "see it differently". The way they feel about this issue doesn't align with reality. The media hypes it up as if it's an open season on minorities. That's what is driving up all these feelings.

The way trump portrayed the "feelings" in America as well as the issues with immigrants, etc. did not align with reality either, but that didn't stop him or you guys from ignoring that reality and voting for him.

So...

More bull:****:. You suck at this. Here are the facts since you again can't provide them.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/206681/worry...teady.aspx

Quote:Fifty-nine percent of Americans say they worry "a great deal" or "a fair amount" about illegal immigration. This level of concern is typical of what Gallup has measured over the past 17 years, apart from a window between 2006 and 2011 when roughly two-thirds of Americans expressed worry.

And you suck at this too. I was not talking just about worries about illegal immigration. Hell, even I worry about illegal immigration. I was talking about all the BS trump made up about the crime they supposedly commit among other things such as how crime was increasing in America and on and on.

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

Why is anyone still asking. They have been perfectly clear. It's Trumps words.

All this other fake bs should stop.

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

Yes, training needs vastly improved. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think most white men, deep down, think bad thoughts then they see a black person in a situation as opposed to a white man.

Take it from me. I'm white and don't treat black people any different. But I have to constantly drive from my mind initial reactions from time to time where I look at a black person and start to think the wrong thing. It's a daily struggle for me...and I imagine others...if we're being honest.

This is the most uncomfortable thing that we need to deal with as a nation...and since it is so uncomfortable, it's just easier to dismiss it and not talk about it. This solves nothing.

(09-27-2017 09:33 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:16 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It was a false narrative, that's why before this weekend, you had maybe 10 people kneeling.

Those 10 people couldn't muster up a reason for their protest. Maybe Michael Bennett did, but he shredded whatever flimsy excuse he had to protest when he made false accusations of police brutality.

Hence making Trump's comments even dumber.

Actually it made them smarter. You see the low-information NFL fan out there only knows what the TV people tell him. Fit's a perfect example of that. So the TV people tell low-info NFL fan that these 10 players are fighting for (insert racial grievance here) and of course low-info NFL fan buys it wholesale. Never mind that these 10 players couldn't come up a legitimate grievance, these fans got no time to ask the tough questions. They want their foosball. So Trump comes along and puts these 10 players on blast and whatever flimsy grievance these 10 players came up with goes out the window. Now they've got nothing and were too stupid to see they got played like a fiddle.

That's why President Trump's comments were so smart.

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The problem is urban and rural. Not black and white. Arrest rates are lower for both races in rural areas. They're higher in urban areas. The biggest problem as I see it is the fact that blacks are highly concentrated in urban areas.

Perceptions of how blacks are treated is also significantly higher in rural areas.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-fairness/

(09-27-2017 10:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

Yes, training needs vastly improved. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think most white men, deep down, think bad thoughts then they see a black person in a situation as opposed to a white man.

Take it from me. I'm white and don't treat black people any different. But I have to constantly drive from my mind initial reactions from time to time where I look at a black person and start to think the wrong thing. It's a daily struggle for me...and I imagine others...if we're being honest.

This is the most uncomfortable thing that we need to deal with as a nation...and since it is so uncomfortable, it's just easier to dismiss it and not talk about it. This solves nothing.

Translation: I'm not racist, I treat black people no different than white people.

(09-27-2017 10:06 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:33 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:16 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:14 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It was a false narrative, that's why before this weekend, you had maybe 10 people kneeling.

Those 10 people couldn't muster up a reason for their protest. Maybe Michael Bennett did, but he shredded whatever flimsy excuse he had to protest when he made false accusations of police brutality.

Hence making Trump's comments even dumber.

Actually it made them smarter. You see the low-information NFL fan out there only knows what the TV people tell him. Fit's a perfect example of that. So the TV people tell low-info NFL fan that these 10 players are fighting for (insert racial grievance here) and of course low-info NFL fan buys it wholesale. Never mind that these 10 players couldn't come up a legitimate grievance, these fans got no time to ask the tough questions. They want their foosball. So Trump comes along and puts these 10 players on blast and whatever flimsy grievance these 10 players came up with goes out the window. Now they've got nothing and were too stupid to see they got played like a fiddle.

That's why President Trump's comments were so smart.

And what of the low information fan who eats up wholesale the lies they're told that the current protests are something, anything other than what they are, even though the players, coaches and owners have been quit clear, a protest against Trumps supposedly "smart" comments.

(09-27-2017 10:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

Yes, training needs vastly improved. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think most white men, deep down, think bad thoughts then they see a black person in a situation as opposed to a white man.

Take it from me. I'm white and don't treat black people any different. But I have to constantly drive from my mind initial reactions from time to time where I look at a black person and start to think the wrong thing. It's a daily struggle for me...and I imagine others...if we're being honest.

This is the most uncomfortable thing that we need to deal with as a nation...and since it is so uncomfortable, it's just easier to dismiss it and not talk about it. This solves nothing.

"Most white men?" Don't speak for me.

Jesse Jackson said the same thing you said above. So, is he a black racist?

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then (I) look around and see someone white and feel relieved."

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

(09-27-2017 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:53 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:58 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'll give you one example. Cleveland cops roll up on a kid with a toy gun in a park, The cop gets out and just kills the kid by shooting him in like 10 seconds. If the kid was white or in a better neighborhood, would he have been shot? I doubt it. I'm sure you don't. But can't you see that blacks might actually see it differently?

I gave you numbers. You respond with this BS. I don't care how they "see it differently". The way they feel about this issue doesn't align with reality. The media hypes it up as if it's an open season on minorities. That's what is driving up all these feelings.

The way trump portrayed the "feelings" in America as well as the issues with immigrants, etc. did not align with reality either, but that didn't stop him or you guys from ignoring that reality and voting for him.

So...

More bull:****:. You suck at this. Here are the facts since you again can't provide them.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/206681/worry...teady.aspx

Quote:Fifty-nine percent of Americans say they worry "a great deal" or "a fair amount" about illegal immigration. This level of concern is typical of what Gallup has measured over the past 17 years, apart from a window between 2006 and 2011 when roughly two-thirds of Americans expressed worry.

And you suck at this too. I was not talking just about worries about illegal immigration. Hell, even I worry about illegal immigration. I was talking about all the BS trump made up about the crime they supposedly commit among other things such as how crime was increasing in America and on and on.

100% of illegal immigrants are committing a crime right NOW.

(09-27-2017 10:38 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:53 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:58 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I gave you numbers. You respond with this BS. I don't care how they "see it differently". The way they feel about this issue doesn't align with reality. The media hypes it up as if it's an open season on minorities. That's what is driving up all these feelings.

The way trump portrayed the "feelings" in America as well as the issues with immigrants, etc. did not align with reality either, but that didn't stop him or you guys from ignoring that reality and voting for him.

So...

More bull:****:. You suck at this. Here are the facts since you again can't provide them.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/206681/worry...teady.aspx

Quote:Fifty-nine percent of Americans say they worry "a great deal" or "a fair amount" about illegal immigration. This level of concern is typical of what Gallup has measured over the past 17 years, apart from a window between 2006 and 2011 when roughly two-thirds of Americans expressed worry.

And you suck at this too. I was not talking just about worries about illegal immigration. Hell, even I worry about illegal immigration. I was talking about all the BS trump made up about the crime they supposedly commit among other things such as how crime was increasing in America and on and on.

100% of illegal immigrants are committing a crime right NOW.

So is everyone on the freeway who is going over the speed limit.

(09-27-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

Statistics do matter in defining the problem, how big it is, if there is one, and how to fix it.

You have still yet to explain "the problem."

(09-27-2017 10:43 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

Statistics do matter in defining the problem, how big it is, if there is one, and how to fix it.

You have still yet to explain "the problem."

He never will, either. Unless you ask him to explain the problem using feelings. Then he's all over that.

(09-27-2017 10:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

Yes, training needs vastly improved. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think most white men, deep down, think bad thoughts then they see a black person in a situation as opposed to a white man.

Take it from me. I'm white and don't treat black people any different. But I have to constantly drive from my mind initial reactions from time to time where I look at a black person and start to think the wrong thing. It's a daily struggle for me...and I imagine others...if we're being honest.

This is the most uncomfortable thing that we need to deal with as a nation...and since it is so uncomfortable, it's just easier to dismiss it and not talk about it. This solves nothing.

You are absolutely nuts Tom. You really are.

(09-27-2017 10:43 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

Statistics do matter in defining the problem, how big it is, if there is one, and how to fix it.

You have still yet to explain "the problem."

We have already explained the problem to you over and over and over again. You guys don't even dispute it anymore. You just ignore it.

Blacks are more likely to be stopped, arrested and incarcerated.

That is a known fact and you know it.

(09-27-2017 10:46 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

Yes, training needs vastly improved. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think most white men, deep down, think bad thoughts then they see a black person in a situation as opposed to a white man.

Take it from me. I'm white and don't treat black people any different. But I have to constantly drive from my mind initial reactions from time to time where I look at a black person and start to think the wrong thing. It's a daily struggle for me...and I imagine others...if we're being honest.

This is the most uncomfortable thing that we need to deal with as a nation...and since it is so uncomfortable, it's just easier to dismiss it and not talk about it. This solves nothing.

You are absolutely nuts Tom. You really are.

I like how he wrote that post right after he mocked someone by saying his argument was lame and racist. Then trotted out the leftist bon mot, "I'm not racist I have one black friend.".

(09-27-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:43 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.

Y
Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

Statistics do matter in defining the problem, how big it is, if there is one, and how to fix it.

You have still yet to explain "the problem."

We have already explained the problem to you over and over and over again. You guys don't even dispute it anymore. You just ignore it.

Blacks are more likely to be stopped, arrested and incarcerated.

That is a known fact and you know it.

Due to committing a disportionately high percentage of crimes. Not racism just a function of conduct.

(09-27-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:38 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  100% of illegal immigrants are committing a crime right NOW.

So is everyone on the freeway who is going over the speed limit.

That is correct. The punishment for that crime isn't deportation.

(09-27-2017 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:43 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:01 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  As long as you keep ignoring the problem, these protests are going to continue.

Until we as a nation listen to the concerns of the protesters and come to a reasonable compromise or some sort of reform, nothing is going to change.

Slavery was accepted until abolitionists began protesting.


Separate but equal was acceptable until people started protesting.

As long as racial profiling is acceptable, people will continue to protest.

Learn your history people.

Again, define the problem. The stats do not backup a racial police brutality problem. If there is a problem, there is an issue with police training and interaction, unrelated to skin color.

When you have people still claiming Ferguson was a racist killing an innocent black man, you'll never have an honest conversation.

The stats don't matter. We aren't talking about numbers here we are talking about people.

Go the parents of these victims and explain to them that the numbers don't add up.

If you had statistics for the happiness of slaves in the south, you probably could have proven that most slaves were happy according to the statistics but that doesn't make it a non issue.

If you surveyed the segregated schools in the south you probably could have proven that they were separate but equal but that wouldn't make it a non issue.

The statistics don't mean **** to the people who have lost a loved one.

Something has to be done and you can't ignore it or try and wish it away with numbers.

Statistics do matter in defining the problem, how big it is, if there is one, and how to fix it.

You have still yet to explain "the problem."

We have already explained the problem to you over and over and over again. You guys don't even dispute it anymore. You just ignore it.

Blacks are more likely to be stopped, arrested and incarcerated.

That is a known fact and you know it.

No you haven't. Not even once.

But keep trying sport, maybe you'll get more people to buy into your lies.