(09-21-2017 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:04 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Just saw that Conner shots 44% from the 3 point line. Hope that translates into college.

So do I. Have we ever had a big man who was 7'3" and shot from 3 that well? Not in my memory, lol.

What about Angel Garcia?

(09-21-2017 11:17 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:04 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Just saw that Conner shots 44% from the 3 point line. Hope that translates into college.

So do I. Have we ever had a big man who was 7'3" and shot from 3 that well? Not in my memory, lol.

What about Angel Garcia?

Not 44%. About 34% as I recall & 6'10" (& injury prone as it turned out). I've seen 7'4" attributed to Vanover & 44%. If that translates to the next level, he'll be a big help to the program.

This is a commitment for the 2018 Recruiting Class.

Here is a Memphis newspaper on his verbal. Article noted that the other teams that were interested in him that Memphis beat out were:
Tulsa
UTEP
Rice
Oral Roberts

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...687772001/

Be nice to redshirt him and put weight on his frame.

(09-21-2017 11:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  This is a commitment for the 2018 Recruiting Class.

Here is a Memphis newspaper on his verbal. Article noted that the other teams that were interested in him that Memphis beat it were Tulsa, UTEP, Rice and Oral Roberts.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...687772001/

Winning a recruiting battle against the likes of Tulsa, UTEP, Rice, and Oral Roberts does not make me pumped. A guy who is 7'3 and did not get one single significant D-1 offer makes me a little reserved about this signing. No offense to the teams listed, but it is just something Memphis fans are not used to getting excited over. But hey, I am all for him being dominant!

(09-21-2017 11:38 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  This is a commitment for the 2018 Recruiting Class.

Here is a Memphis newspaper on his verbal. Article noted that the other teams that were interested in him that Memphis beat it were Tulsa, UTEP, Rice and Oral Roberts.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...687772001/

Winning a recruiting battle against the likes of Tulsa, UTEP, Rice, and Oral Roberts does not make me pumped. A guy who is 7'3 and did not get one single significant D-1 offer makes me a little reserved about this signing. No offense to the teams listed, but it is just something Memphis fans are not used to getting excited over. But hey, I am all for him being dominant!

He had offers from Ole Miss, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Alabama as well. Now those teams might not have pursued him as a priority but he did hold offers from them. He was good enough for them to offer I cool with that

Don't try and poo poo on this. He is a 7'3" C that can shoot the 3. He has time to develop here. He will not be needed next year as we will be senior heavy and can afford to redshirt him if need be. You can't teach that height and skill

(09-21-2017 11:43 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Don't try and poo poo on this. He is a 7'3" C that can shoot the 3. He has time to develop here. He will not be needed next year as we will be senior heavy and can afford to redshirt him if need be. You can't teach that height and skill

I doubt he's redshirted. We may have seniors but Vanover could provide situational headaches for Memphis opponents & we clearly don't yet know how productive our juco recruits will be. He also has another year to develop at Findlay where he should see substantial competition & development.

(09-21-2017 12:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:43 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Don't try and poo poo on this. He is a 7'3" C that can shoot the 3. He has time to develop here. He will not be needed next year as we will be senior heavy and can afford to redshirt him if need be. You can't teach that height and skill

I doubt he's redshirted. We may have seniors but Vanover could provide situational headaches for Memphis opponents & we clearly don't yet know how productive our juco recruits will be. He also has another year to develop at Findlay where he should see substantial competition & development.

Oh but redshirt is definitely in there. His height is cool in all that but he needs development with the body. Everything depends on how our bigs perform this season. If they do good this season, he is going to redshirt. I will bet on that

Redshirt is a strong option if our bigs don't produce. It will benefit someone like Vanover. We will see

FYI. The redshirt idea is not my opinion but an opinion of someone who would know.

Triple A, do you really think its fair to compare making the NCAA back in the 50's, 60s and 70s to today when the amount of teams going to the tourney is double to quadruple the amount?

The real comparison is from 1985 onward when the went to 64 or maybe when they were at 48 teams starting in 1980.

Starting in 1980, we've been to the tournament 21 times in 38 years. A little better than every other year.

We've also gone to 10 Sweet 16s in those 38 years. A little better than once every 4 years.

I don't think Tiger fans are being too unreasonable to expect 5 to 6 tourney bids every decade and a Sweet 16 every 4 years(or 2 to 3 a decade).

(09-21-2017 01:32 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Triple A, do you really think its fair to compare making the NCAA back in the 50's, 60s and 70s to today when the amount of teams going to the tourney is double to quadruple the amount?

The real comparison is from 1985 onward when the went to 64 or maybe when they were at 48 teams starting in 1980.

Starting in 1980, we've been to the tournament 21 times in 38 years. A little better than every other year.

We've also gone to 10 Sweet 16s in those 38 years. A little better than once every 4 years.

I don't think Tiger fans are being too unreasonable to expect 5 to 6 tourney bids every decade and a Sweet 16 every 4 years(or 2 to 3 a decade).

Unfair? How? I just used stats. If you do it only from '85, it won't be much different when you delete the vacated appearances.

I mean, you can have any expectation you want, but unless you only count part of our history, and don't ignore the gains we made by blatant cheating, then yeah, you can expect a bit more. It still doesn't change anything. Just depends on how you look at it.

And we most certainly cheated with Kirk and Cal and most certainly are not doing that, at the moment. Makes it harder.

We have many fans, especially younger ones, who have unrealistic expectations. You disagree?

(09-21-2017 01:59 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:32 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Triple A, do you really think its fair to compare making the NCAA back in the 50's, 60s and 70s to today when the amount of teams going to the tourney is double to quadruple the amount?

The real comparison is from 1985 onward when the went to 64 or maybe when they were at 48 teams starting in 1980.

Starting in 1980, we've been to the tournament 21 times in 38 years. A little better than every other year.

We've also gone to 10 Sweet 16s in those 38 years. A little better than once every 4 years.

I don't think Tiger fans are being too unreasonable to expect 5 to 6 tourney bids every decade and a Sweet 16 every 4 years(or 2 to 3 a decade).

Unfair? How? I just used stats. If you do it tomorrow '85, it won't be much different when you delete the vacated appearances.

I mean, you can have any expectation you want, but unless you only count part of our history, and don't ignore the gains we made by blatant cheating, then yeah, you can expect a bit more. It still doesn't change anything. Just depends on how you look at it.

And we most certainly cheated with Kirk and Cal and most certainly are not, at the moment.

We have many fans, especially younger ones, who have unrealistic expectations. You disagree?

Because my expectations are based in a world of a 68 team NCAA tournament. Not a 8, 16, or 32 team tournament. If we are travelling back to 1976, my expectations would be different. Alas, we live in 2017 in a world with a 68 team tournament.

There are a lot of Tiger fans that expect Elite 8/Final 4 every year. or two Those people are nuts. However, I don't think Larry Finch levels or early Calipari era(before the Laurenburg kids showed up) levels are unrealistic as an expectation. That's 8 NCAAs and 2 Sweet 16s in a combined 16 seasons. I dont see how that is unrealistic. I just dont.

(09-21-2017 11:34 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Be nice to redshirt him and put weight on his frame.

Unless injured, almost no HS recruits redshirt anymore...as most coaches won't be around for basically any HS recruits "5th season" (includes his redshirt season).

Plus, add in the transfer players from other colleges that have to redshirt (non-5th year transfers), more and more responsibility falls on incoming Freshmen to play right away, many in big roles.

(09-21-2017 03:08 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 11:34 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Be nice to redshirt him and put weight on his frame.

Unless injured, almost no HS recruits redshirt anymore...as most coaches won't be around for basically any HS recruits "5th season" (includes his redshirt season).

Plus, add in the transfer players from other colleges that have to redshirt (non-5th year transfers), more and more responsibility falls on incoming Freshmen to play right away, many in big roles.

I am not the one pitching the idea. It's people close to the program that are. TIFWIW.
I rather him experience trail by fire. Not expecting him to do much till his late sophomore or junior year.

I know how basketball works UCF fan lol. Believe it or not

This bum is our prized recruit? Oy Vey....

(09-21-2017 03:33 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  This bum is our prized recruit? Oy Vey....

Classy. Rip and kid who wants to represent our school. You must have low self esteem

(09-21-2017 01:32 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Triple A, do you really think its fair to compare making the NCAA back in the 50's, 60s and 70s to today when the amount of teams going to the tourney is double to quadruple the amount?

The real comparison is from 1985 onward when the went to 64 or maybe when they were at 48 teams starting in 1980.

Starting in 1980, we've been to the tournament 21 times in 38 years. A little better than every other year.

We've also gone to 10 Sweet 16s in those 38 years. A little better than once every 4 years.

I don't think Tiger fans are being too unreasonable to expect 5 to 6 tourney bids every decade and a Sweet 16 every 4 years(or 2 to 3 a decade).

First, that's not what '83 said. He said 8 appearances out of 10 years, and a S16 every 4 years.

So, let's do the math from 1985.

That's 33 seasons. We had 18 appearances. That's a little better than half (54.5%). '83 said it should be 8 out of 10 (80%).

And if you delete the vacated appearances, it's now 15 out of 33, less than half. The 80% expectation for appearances is BS.

Sweet 16s were 7 out of 33 years. That's about 22%. One out of every 4-5 years. That one is okay. I agree with it.

HOWEVER, if you remove the vacated appearances, it's now 5 out of 33, or 16%. That's one every 6-7 years.

So, the math from 1985 is actually worse, when you consider the vacated appearances.

And it's not significantly different from all time stats, even without that.

Like I said, expectations are generally overblown.

All I want to know is... will this have an effect on Taco Tuesdays? Maybe we can have Van-over's Cherry Turn-overs? (Sponsored by Dairy Whip of course)