(09-20-2017 09:33 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  Hopefully he can add about 50 pounds in the next few years.

He reminds me of a tall (6'6"), but much shorter kid, from the Harrisburg Y. He was tall, skinny, and not very aggressive. He grew to a solid player who could rep out at 315 lbs. on the bench.

This kid looks like he can shoot after looking at the videos provided. If he progresses, he could become a force.

(09-21-2017 08:02 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:33 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  Hopefully he can add about 50 pounds in the next few years.

He reminds me of a tall (6'6"), but much shorter kid, from the Harrisburg Y. He was tall, skinny, and not very aggressive. He grew to a solid player who could rep out at 315 lbs. on the bench.

This kid looks like he can shoot after looking at the videos provided. If he progresses, he could become a force.

Dude can hit 3s. Maybe we need to get Dirk Nowitski to coach him.

(09-21-2017 07:32 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Vanover Tuesdays

Not the same ring as Tacko Tuesdays

Wasn't Tacko a 2* or 3*? He's turned out pretty darn good for UCF........

(09-21-2017 08:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:32 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Vanover Tuesdays

Not the same ring as Tacko Tuesdays

Wasn't Tacko a 2* or 3*? He's turned out pretty darn good for UCF........

3* but he had offers to schools like Georgetown and many others.

We could use Connor this season because there are no proven accurate three point shooters currently on the squad.

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Thanks for the info AAA, a good dose of reality. Unfortunately, many around Memphis don't see things in terms of reality. And at the same time local Memphis talent has been down or required extortion to sign - and some folks would prefer paying the extortion.

(09-21-2017 08:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:32 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Vanover Tuesdays

Not the same ring as Tacko Tuesdays

Wasn't Tacko a 2* or 3*? He's turned out pretty darn good for UCF........

was a 4star by many
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baske...tacko-fall

http://www.scout.com/Player/Tacko-Fall-3...ion=125333

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Excellent post.

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Nice job, Triple A. I will offer a counter, if any, when I have adequate time.

However, based on your statement below, I pose questions for your consideration.

"Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.
And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years."

1. Was the standard you stated adequately acheived by the previous two coaches?

2. Has the current coach met the standard you stated in the past ten years?

3. In your opinion, is there a strong likelihood the current coach will meet the standard you stated?

(09-21-2017 08:00 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:29 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Coach Cal took 4 star kids and coached them to play like 4 star kids.
Your last coach took 4/5star kids and coached em down to play like 3 star kids. Tubby wants star kids that fit his system and coach em up to play like 4 star kids.

Time will tell if he can do that.

The past indicates failure. He failed to retain 4 star talent (the four 4 star players he inherited are gone) and the lowly rated talent he recruited over the last ten years failed to produce results acceptable at Memphis. Hopefully, the future will improve upon the past.

I would venture that the 4 star talent that was there caused the results you currently see. Two bad apples out of 13 will make a bad bunch as will one "coach" out of five.

I also keep hearing about memphis missing out on local talent but i can only think of one time since calapari took over where local talent was the base of the team. Before that I'm not sure but given the regional nature of basketball till the 1990s would be the cause of 70s and 80s teams with strong local flavors.

(09-21-2017 08:50 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:32 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Vanover Tuesdays

Not the same ring as Tacko Tuesdays

Wasn't Tacko a 2* or 3*? He's turned out pretty darn good for UCF........

was a 4star by many
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baske...tacko-fall

http://www.scout.com/Player/Tacko-Fall-3...ion=125333

High school to college basketball athletes are probably the hardest to predict what the next level will bring. Look at the David Robinson story below. He had two growing spurts, one that took him to 6'7" as a senior in high school. Another that took him to 7' in college. It worked out well for Navy, that's for sure, all the way to an elite 8.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketb...ter-032416

(09-21-2017 08:00 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:29 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Coach Cal took 4 star kids and coached them to play like 4 star kids.
Your last coach took 4/5star kids and coached em down to play like 3 star kids. Tubby wants star kids that fit his system and coach em up to play like 4 star kids.

Time will tell if he can do that.

The past indicates failure. He failed to retain 4 star talent (the four 4 star players he inherited are gone) and the lowly rated talent he recruited over the last ten years failed to produce results acceptable at Memphis. Hopefully, the future will improve upon the past.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mlondo856/sta...56/photo/1

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mlondo856/sta...56/photo/1

(09-21-2017 09:09 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Nice job, Triple A. I will offer a counter, if any, when I have adequate time.

However, based on your statement below, I pose questions for your consideration.

"Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.
And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years."

1. Was the standard you stated adequately acheived by the previous two coaches?

2. Has the current coach met the standard you stated in the past ten years?

3. In your opinion, is there a strong likelihood the current coach will meet the standard you stated?

https://mobile.twitter.com/mlondo856/sta...56/photo/1

(09-21-2017 09:09 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Nice job, Triple A. I will offer a counter, if any, when I have adequate time.

However, based on your statement below, I pose questions for your consideration.

"Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.
And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years."

1. Was the standard you stated adequately acheived by the previous two coaches?

2. Has the current coach met the standard you stated in the past ten years?

3. In your opinion, is there a strong likelihood the current coach will meet the standard you stated?

1. You mean Calipari and Pastner? Cal was arguably our best coach in history his last 4 years, but not his first 5. But he cheated his butt off to get there. Right now, that is no longer tolerated. Pastner did well for awhile, then started losing big, and we went nowhere his last 2 years, so he was bounced. Necessary move.

2. Tubby has been here one year. Too soon to tell. The Lawsons managed to help blow up last season when they got unhappy and started shopping themselves around.

3. I think you are judging Tubby too soon. I look at it this way. Rudd and Bowen made the decision to dump Pastner and hire Tubby. If Tubby isn't successful to some realistic standard, then I'm sure he will be replaced, as well.

I know our admin is trying for us to be good to great in both major sports simultaneously, which would be a rare feat.

As for Tubby, I never judge a coach based on some arbitrary standard, which is almost always higher than reality. I also don't judge him on some calculated average performance level. And I don't judge him on recruiting rankings. Josh had great recruits, but he couldn't coach them worth a damn. And his two best recruits (Barton and Nichols) were likely obtained with help behind his back.

Tubby has much lower-ranked recruits. We'll see if he can coach them up. Too soon to tell, but he has a track record that says he can, to some extent.

Tubby walked into a bad situation. Let's give him enough time to see if he is the guy to pull us back up. We'll see.

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Informative post. I guess I'd argue that after the Cal years, which has proven historically to be an anomaly in our program, should we not keep expectations or want our expectations higher than what our history has been? Should we be forced to drop down to where our program was pre-Cal? While I agree completely that if any Memphis fan has any expectation to get back where we were during the Cal years is merely dreaming, should we not expect more from our program after a coach comes in and absolutely dominates in a way most programs have never scratched the surface of?

After the Cal years, I just don't see it as loony (sp) to expect to be competing for a NCAA tourney spot year in and year out. Cal laid a foundation for this program that took us on another level where coaches can come and expect to compete for a NCAA tournament bid. This expectations are, however, too high for the latest hires we have made, but my hopes are we can go back to being in the conversation of being a program who will compete to being in the NCAA tournament each year.

Good conversation, TripleA.

(09-21-2017 10:41 AM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 08:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 07:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 01:50 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  And boy did we need some good recruiting news. Just in time considering recent misses.

This start to settle some tubby critics down?

No, the acceptable standard at Memphis (IMO) is NCAA Tourney appearances nearly every year (e.g. 4 out of five years), at least one NCAA Tourney victory in most years, and a S 16 or better every 4 to 5 years.

Tubby has won one NCAA Tourney game in the past ten years (very likely soon to be 11 years). Unless something dramatically different happens (not probable at Tubby's age), Tubby has proven he cannot win sufficiently without talent. Connor is an interesting prospect, but he is only a 3 star not courted by traditionally strong programs. It is unfair to expect him to carry the program to meet the acceptable standard. He needs help and the help takes the form of talented 4 and 5 star recruits. There will be little off-season peace for Tubby until he recruits up to the level needed to acheive the Memphis standard.

This is the problem with most Memphis fans' expectations. They seem to have much higher standards than reality.

Since the 1954-55 season (our first NCAA appearance), Memphis has made the tourney 26 times in 63 years. That's not "almost every year," or even 4 out of 5. That's 41%, or about TWO out of 5, not 4 of 5.

Of those 26 appearances, we won at least one game 16 times. That's not "almost every year." That's 3 years out of 5, not 5 out of 5.

Sweet 16 appearances. You say one every 4 or 5 years. I say we have made it 11 times in 63 years. That's one every 5.7 years. Okay, that's closer, except for one thing.

Five of those were vacated by the NCAA. So now we're talking 6 non-vacated S16s in 63 years, or less than once every 10 years.

One other little fact. Our current president has put the kabosh on paying recruits under the table. The majority of our success over the years came from Dana Kirk and John Calipari cheating their butts off.

Take out just that one vacated season and Kirk's vacated NCAA appearances, and the standards become much less.

Now we're talking 20 appearances in 63 years, less than 1 in 3. And only 10 years with at least 1 NCAA win, which is less than 2 years out of 5, not almost every year.

And now, S16s become 11 out of 63, or once every 6 years.

So, you can have those standards in your mind, but they do not match reality.

Reference:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

Informative post. I guess I'd argue that after the Cal years, which has proven historically to be an anomaly in our program, should we not keep expectations or want our expectations higher than what our history has been? Should we be forced to drop down to where our program was pre-Cal? While I agree completely that if any Memphis fan has any expectation to get back where we were during the Cal years is merely dreaming, should we not expect more from our program after a coach comes in and absolutely dominates in a way most programs have never scratched the surface of?

After the Cal years, I just don't see it as loony (sp) to expect to be competing for a NCAA tourney spot year in and year out. Cal laid a foundation for this program that took us on another level where coaches can come and expect to compete for a NCAA tournament bid. This expectations are, however, too high for the latest hires we have made, but my hopes are we can go back to being in the conversation of being a program who will compete to being in the NCAA tournament each year.

Good conversation, TripleA.

I 100% agree we should set our expectations high, but not so high that we are unhappy with anything less than what Calipari did.

The other thing to remember is Calipari didn't pull that off in one year. It took him into his SIXTH season to start having great years. Memphis fans were calling for his head before that. Now fans are calling for Tubby's head after ONE season.

Another point. Cal cheated, big time. We are trying to do it without that now. That's a whole different ball game. You have to catch lightning in a bottle and find a coach like Mark Few or Gregg Marshall. That ain't easy.

Just saw that Conner shots 44% from the 3 point line. Hope that translates into college.

(09-21-2017 11:04 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Just saw that Conner shots 44% from the 3 point line. Hope that translates into college.

So do I. Have we ever had a big man who was 7'3" and shot from 3 that well? Not in my memory, lol.