Well something must be stopping it. I'm all in favor of the ban

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(08-25-2017 05:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

The 2016 study was commissioned by the Obama administration, which favored opening the ranks to transgender individuals, and funded by the office of former secretary of defense Ash Carter.

The study found that, on average, transgender troops seeking basic sex-change operations would be nondeployable for 238 days, or 34 weeks out of a year. The figure amounts to 65 percent of one year.

Quote:As the Washington Free Beacon previously reported, transgender surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years, assuming roughly 8,200 transgender troops undergo taxpayer-funded sex-change operations.

By taking the low estimate from the RAND study of nondeployable time of 210 days, the 8,213 surgical transitions would lead to a total 1,724,730 days of nondeployable time, or 4,725 years.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...-days/amp/

the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

I don't like the man. Stop making me come to his defense.

(08-25-2017 08:23 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

I don't like the man. Stop making me come to his defense.

I wasn't talking to you. But he was unavailable for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'.

(08-25-2017 07:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:49 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So CB back on topic... You're cool with the army (1) paying for a voluntary procedure and (2) having the soldiers who get it sitting on the sidelines for a year?

No. It shouldn't even be an option when you're active.

It should not be an option...PERIOD.

(08-25-2017 08:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:53 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:49 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So CB back on topic... You're cool with the army (1) paying for a voluntary procedure and (2) having the soldiers who get it sitting on the sidelines for a year?

No. It shouldn't even be an option when you're active.

It should not be an option...PERIOD.

Exactly, we should let Fo Shizzle make all choices for all people. Big government isn't big enough for Fo Shizzle's demand to speak for everyone.

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

The 2016 study was commissioned by the Obama administration, which favored opening the ranks to transgender individuals, and funded by the office of former secretary of defense Ash Carter.

The study found that, on average, transgender troops seeking basic sex-change operations would be nondeployable for 238 days, or 34 weeks out of a year. The figure amounts to 65 percent of one year.

Quote:As the Washington Free Beacon previously reported, transgender surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years, assuming roughly 8,200 transgender troops undergo taxpayer-funded sex-change operations.

By taking the low estimate from the RAND study of nondeployable time of 210 days, the 8,213 surgical transitions would lead to a total 1,724,730 days of nondeployable time, or 4,725 years.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...-days/amp/

the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

Stop deflecting Tom. You are looking silly on this issue.

(08-25-2017 08:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

The 2016 study was commissioned by the Obama administration, which favored opening the ranks to transgender individuals, and funded by the office of former secretary of defense Ash Carter.

The study found that, on average, transgender troops seeking basic sex-change operations would be nondeployable for 238 days, or 34 weeks out of a year. The figure amounts to 65 percent of one year.

Quote:As the Washington Free Beacon previously reported, transgender surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years, assuming roughly 8,200 transgender troops undergo taxpayer-funded sex-change operations.

By taking the low estimate from the RAND study of nondeployable time of 210 days, the 8,213 surgical transitions would lead to a total 1,724,730 days of nondeployable time, or 4,725 years.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...-days/amp/

the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

Stop deflecting Tom. You are looking silly on this issue.

Meh, I'm just calling you out as a hater of Trans persons. Which you appear to be.

(08-25-2017 08:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

The 2016 study was commissioned by the Obama administration, which favored opening the ranks to transgender individuals, and funded by the office of former secretary of defense Ash Carter.

The study found that, on average, transgender troops seeking basic sex-change operations would be nondeployable for 238 days, or 34 weeks out of a year. The figure amounts to 65 percent of one year.

Quote:As the Washington Free Beacon previously reported, transgender surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years, assuming roughly 8,200 transgender troops undergo taxpayer-funded sex-change operations.

By taking the low estimate from the RAND study of nondeployable time of 210 days, the 8,213 surgical transitions would lead to a total 1,724,730 days of nondeployable time, or 4,725 years.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...-days/amp/

the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

Stop deflecting Tom. You are looking silly on this issue.

Meh, I'm just calling you out as a hater of Trans persons. Which you appear to be.

If you mean being a hater of having mentally ill people in our military?...Guilty as charged.

(08-25-2017 08:34 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 05:34 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...-days/amp/

the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

Stop deflecting Tom. You are looking silly on this issue.

Meh, I'm just calling you out as a hater of Trans persons. Which you appear to be.

If you mean being a hater of having mentally ill people in our military?...Guilty as charged.

But then again, you do have exactly 200 medically degreed professionals on your side. We have...the other 400,000.

Tom, only one appears to hate them is you. Rest of us would like to see 'em get the mental help they desperately need. Unlike you who advocate mutilating healthy bodies. For mental issues. Can't think of a lot more ****** up than your sick and twisted idea of help.

(08-25-2017 08:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Tom, only one appears to hate them is you. Rest of us would like to see 'em get the mental help they desperately need. Unlike you who advocate mutilating healthy bodies. For mental issues. Can't think of a lot more ****** up than your sick and twisted idea of help.

Again, 200 to 400,000.

(08-25-2017 08:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Tom, only one appears to hate them is you. Rest of us would like to see 'em get the mental help they desperately need. Unlike you who advocate mutilating healthy bodies. For mental issues. Can't think of a lot more ****** up than your sick and twisted idea of help.

Again, 200 to 400,000.

Not something to proudly be counted as part of. Might as well be cutting off legs for ear aches.

(08-25-2017 08:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:34 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  the average racist President becomes unavailable for service for a lifetime due to 'bone spurs'

Stop deflecting Tom. You are looking silly on this issue.

Meh, I'm just calling you out as a hater of Trans persons. Which you appear to be.

If you mean being a hater of having mentally ill people in our military?...Guilty as charged.

But then again, you do have exactly 200 medically degreed professionals on your side. We have...the other 400,000.

Tell you what. Ill meet you halfway. Im Ok with the mentally ill being in the military as long as the don't serve in any capacity outside of our shores, pay for their genital mutilation, and not receive a penny while in recovery. Im not a hard ass Tom.

Remove the politics and look at it this way, is it worth rendering a soldier non deployable for an extended period of time? This isn't a game or playing army as a kid. This is the real deal. If you voluntarily put yourself in a position where you can't go down range then you should be gone.

(08-25-2017 08:55 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Remove the politics and look at it this way, is it worth rendering a soldier non deployable for an extended period of time? This isn't a game or playing army as a kid. This is the real deal. If you voluntarily put yourself in a position where you can't go down range then you should be gone.

This is not advanced rocketry. Just common sense.

(08-25-2017 08:55 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Remove the politics and look at it this way, is it worth rendering a soldier non deployable for an extended period of time? This isn't a game or playing army as a kid. This is the real deal. If you voluntarily put yourself in a position where you can't go down range then you should be gone.

So I'll mark you down as 'no thanks for your service' to LGBT servicemembers.

But muh social experiments!

(08-25-2017 09:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 08:55 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Remove the politics and look at it this way, is it worth rendering a soldier non deployable for an extended period of time? This isn't a game or playing army as a kid. This is the real deal. If you voluntarily put yourself in a position where you can't go down range then you should be gone.

This is not advanced rocketry. Just common sense.

Says the man who agrees with 200 people versus 400,000 credentialed experts.

(08-25-2017 09:18 PM)Paul M Wrote:  But muh social experiments!

The social experiment was DJT deciding to do this, with the full opposition of the military leaders, for the benefit of his political allies, who hate LGBT persons.