(08-18-2017 01:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ...

And there's a history here too. Trump has engaged in direct racism/bias (Judge Curiel, They're rapists, anti-Muslim, etc.) for a while. And there's a long history of Trump excusing/cheerleading violence by right wingers (offering to pay legal fees for those beating up peaceful protesters, etc.).

The reason these charges stick is because of Donald Trump, not the media.

Judge Curiel --> accusing someone of being Mexican when they are of Mexican descent, isn't racist. Might not be polite, but not racist.

"They're rapists" --> TRUE. He said some of them are rapists and some of them are good people. That's factually true. There are daily stories about illegal aliens in this country that are raping people. Rape is a serious problem in Mexico and central America.

anti-Muslim --> Really. He has done deals in Muslim countries and is friends with Muslim people. He simply stated the obvious...there is a lot terrorism around the world being done by Muslim immigrants or their children after a generation. Or, in the case of San Bernadino, a couple that publicly posted about jihad -- but the rules in place said agents were disallowed to look at this information. Or, the 7 countries on the Obama admin list because they were either failed governments or lacked the resources to id who people were when they cam to our country. So yes, it would seem that maybe we should shut that immigration off until we figure out a better system. YOu can argue otherwise, but there is nothing racist about that policy.

cheerleading for violence --> This was silly. There were 2 people that punched people at a Trump rally...the rest were leftist so-called protesters starting fights, burning things, and fighting police. And let's not forget that one of the people that punched somebody was a Black dude that punched an idiot in a Klan outfit. I remember the media went crazy in support of the guy in the Klan outfit and that violence like that should not be tolerated. Now that antifa does it, it's okay.

Next, you'll say he made fun of a reporter's disability!!

facts.

(08-18-2017 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The committee was formed by President Reagan.

Quote:Sixteen (of the 17) members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities resigned Friday, citing the president's recent rhetoric surrounding the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

"The Administration's refusal to quickly and unequivocally condemn the cancer of hatred only further emboldens those who wish America ill," a letter from the committee said. "We cannot sit idly by, the way your West Wing advisors have, without speaking out against your words and actions."

He was really not very clear on his position about hatred was he?

"we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws; we all salute the same great flag; and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must discover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law, and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."

TDS... There is no cure and nothing will ever be enough.

Tuesday cancelled everything. And trump is the only thing deranged here by trying to defend the actions of Nazi's and White Supremacists.

Im sorry Tom. I don't disagree with you as much as others here on a lot of issues...but...I can't agree with you on this one. You are expecting our current POTUS to be as eloquent as our last one. That is unrealistic expectation. His comment could have been more clear at the outset..but..I had no problem understanding what he was saying. His past (on record) condemnation of these racists groups and his subsequent clarification noted above satisfies me that he has no connection to and (as you claim) is not "covering" for these hateful groups. What made many people mad was that he condemned both sides for violence. I understand that..but...IMHO while probably not a nice thing to say given the death involved...was not inaccurate or unjustified.

OH MY GOD!!!!!! How will we as a nation survive without an arts and humanities committee?

/sarcasm



It's not a core function of the federal government as chartered in the Constitution so we shouldn't be bothering with it anyway.

(08-18-2017 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He called them good people. The end.

To be fair, he speaks off the cuff and at the time he was talking about the violence. I think "by good" he probably meant they were not being violent. I think he should have used the word "peaceful" rather than "good".
Your essentially trying to say Trump thinks Nazis are good. I dont even think you really even believe that.

That said, I do agree he has bungled this situation.

Yeah, but his own words betray that. He went on and on about how he speaks in perfection to the facts and only the facts.

He's just unfit to lead a country.

Again---he is speaking to the violence. Any non biased objective viewing of the videos from that day indicate that there were violent people on both sides. In fact, it actually appears the antifa elements were the most aggressive and violent (at least until the horror of the car attack).

That said---the whole base argument of civil war statues is an argument where Trump and the Republicans need to vacate the field. Its a local issue. Let them decide. The republicans were on the right side of the civil war---and the Democrats built most of these silly statue. Why let the Democrats try to make it look like its a Republican thing?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/d...you-think/
"A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers
Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents
The only group with a majority favoring removal (57 percent) are “Strong Democrats” — as opposed to “Soft Democrats,” who slightly favor keeping them (52 percent)
When defined by political ideology, only Liberal/Very Liberal people muster a majority for taking statues down (57 percent). Among self-described Moderates, 67 percent favor leaving the statues standing. A whopping 81 percent of Conservative/Very Conservative people favor the statues staying in place
Unsurprisingly, the Northeast is the region of the country most in favor of removing the statues — but even there, a majority (53 percent) backs leaving the statues standing
Here’s a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain"

Im not in favor of doing anything with them..but...I would have no problem with Owls suggestion to relocate many of them to the CW battlefields associated with them. I imagine this would be solution most people could live with.

(08-18-2017 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He called them good people. The end.

To be fair, he speaks off the cuff and at the time he was talking about the violence. I think "by good" he probably meant they were not being violent. I think he should have used the word "peaceful" rather than "good".
Your essentially trying to say Trump thinks Nazis are good. I dont even think you really even believe that.

That said, I do agree he has bungled this situation.

Yeah, but his own words betray that. He went on and on about how he speaks in perfection to the facts and only the facts.

He's just unfit to lead a country.

Again---he is speaking to the violence. Any non biased objective viewing of the videos from that day indicate that there were violent people on both sides. In fact, it actually appears the antifa elements were the most aggressive and violent (at least until the horror of the car attack).

That said---the whole base argument of civil war statues is an argument where Trump and the Republicans need to vacate the field. Its a local issue. Let them decide. The republicans were on the right side of the civil war---and the Democrats built most of these silly statue. Why let the Democrats try to make it look like its a Republican thing?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/d...you-think/
"A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers
Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents
The only group with a majority favoring removal (57 percent) are “Strong Democrats” — as opposed to “Soft Democrats,” who slightly favor keeping them (52 percent)
When defined by political ideology, only Liberal/Very Liberal people muster a majority for taking statues down (57 percent). Among self-described Moderates, 67 percent favor leaving the statues standing. A whopping 81 percent of Conservative/Very Conservative people favor the statues staying in place
Unsurprisingly, the Northeast is the region of the country most in favor of removing the statues — but even there, a majority (53 percent) backs leaving the statues standing
Here’s a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain"

I wouldnt be surprised if those numbers are correct---but I still believe its a local issue. Let them decide. Trump and Washington need not be involved. Thats how conservatism is supposed to work.

(08-18-2017 02:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  OH MY GOD!!!!!! How will we as a nation survive without an arts and humanities committee?

/sarcasm



It's not a core function of the federal government as chartered in the Constitution so we shouldn't be bothering with it anyway.

Im not sure why the Federal government is involved with this in the first place. There is long list of things I wish the government would get out of and leave to the private sector to handle with foundations and private donors.

(08-18-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The committee was formed by President Reagan.

Quote:Sixteen (of the 17) members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities resigned Friday, citing the president's recent rhetoric surrounding the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

"The Administration's refusal to quickly and unequivocally condemn the cancer of hatred only further emboldens those who wish America ill," a letter from the committee said. "We cannot sit idly by, the way your West Wing advisors have, without speaking out against your words and actions."

White House Arts Commission Members Resign

Guess they missed this part?
#BLM Talks MAD SMACK To Riot Cops @ #Charlottesville #UniteTheRight




Another worthless committee.

(08-18-2017 02:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The committee was formed by President Reagan.

Quote:Sixteen (of the 17) members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities resigned Friday, citing the president's recent rhetoric surrounding the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

"The Administration's refusal to quickly and unequivocally condemn the cancer of hatred only further emboldens those who wish America ill," a letter from the committee said. "We cannot sit idly by, the way your West Wing advisors have, without speaking out against your words and actions."

White House Arts Commission Members Resign

Guess they missed this part?
#BLM Talks MAD SMACK To Riot Cops @ #Charlottesville #UniteTheRight




Another worthless committee.

Not enough intelligence there to fill a thimble. Anyone that can't show their face is a coward also.

(08-18-2017 02:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 02:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The committee was formed by President Reagan.

Quote:Sixteen (of the 17) members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities resigned Friday, citing the president's recent rhetoric surrounding the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

"The Administration's refusal to quickly and unequivocally condemn the cancer of hatred only further emboldens those who wish America ill," a letter from the committee said. "We cannot sit idly by, the way your West Wing advisors have, without speaking out against your words and actions."

White House Arts Commission Members Resign

Guess they missed this part?
#BLM Talks MAD SMACK To Riot Cops @ #Charlottesville #UniteTheRight




Another worthless committee.

Not enough intelligence there to fill a thimble. Anyone that can't show their face is a coward also.

You had it all, White female idiot teasing the cops and posing for a photo, scrawny white boy with a scarf thing falling off his face trying to keep it real with the Bruthers, and the stupid Bruthers acting like knuckleheads.

(08-18-2017 12:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The committee was formed by President Reagan.

Quote:Sixteen (of the 17) members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities resigned Friday, citing the president's recent rhetoric surrounding the violent demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia, last weekend.

"The Administration's refusal to quickly and unequivocally condemn the cancer of hatred only further emboldens those who wish America ill," a letter from the committee said. "We cannot sit idly by, the way your West Wing advisors have, without speaking out against your words and actions."

He was really not very clear on his position about hatred was he?

"we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws; we all salute the same great flag; and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must discover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law, and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."

TDS... There is no cure and nothing will ever be enough.

Not for anyone involved in the "Arts and Humanities" for the most part anyway.

Be curious to know what exactly this committee did anyway. Why do we have a Federal government committee involved in A&H's? Not brushed up on my Constitution this week, but I don't recall seeing that in there.

(08-18-2017 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:57 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Tuesday cancelled everything. And trump is the only thing deranged here by trying to defend the actions of Nazi's and White Supremacists.

How exactly did he defend their actions?

By calling them good people. Sorry, you just can't do it.

And you would be saying the exact same thing had Obama uttered the same words trump did and you know it. So just stop.

Such utter and blatant

(08-18-2017 02:42 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  TDS... There is no cure and nothing will ever be enough.

Not for anyone involved in the "Arts and Humanities" for the most part anyway.
Be curious to know what exactly this committee did anyway. Why do we have a Federal government committee involved in A&H's? Not brushed up on my Constitution this week, but I don't recall seeing that in there.

Seems to me like an excellent time to look at defunding the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities. With no committee left, why should they have a budget?

(08-18-2017 01:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:57 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Tuesday cancelled everything. And trump is the only thing deranged here by trying to defend the actions of Nazi's and White Supremacists.

How exactly did he defend their actions?

By calling them good people. Sorry, you just can't do it.

And you would be saying the exact same thing had Obama uttered the same words trump did and you know it. So just stop.

So they were all Nazi's. That's the talking point apparently.

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It's just like when he said "ALL Mexicans are murderers and rapists"

Remember when he said that little ditty, too?

Yea, me neither.

(08-18-2017 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 02:42 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  TDS... There is no cure and nothing will ever be enough.

Not for anyone involved in the "Arts and Humanities" for the most part anyway.
Be curious to know what exactly this committee did anyway. Why do we have a Federal government committee involved in A&H's? Not brushed up on my Constitution this week, but I don't recall seeing that in there.

Seems to me like an excellent time to look at defunding the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities. With no committee left, why should they have a budget?

I agree. There are plenty of uber rich people that will step up and finance this without the Federal government being involved.

Why don't we just can the committee?

(08-18-2017 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:15 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  By calling them good people. Sorry, you just can't do it.

And you would be saying the exact same thing had Obama uttered the same words trump did and you know it. So just stop.

So they were all Nazi's. That's the talking point apparently.

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Yes. At what point would a good person remain in a torch march when shouts against Jews and calls for blood and taking territory commenced?

You cannot defend anyone in that march if you're trying to lead a country.

SO everyone at the BLM marches where they say to "fry the pigs" and "what do we want? dead cops" are all far left terrorist and violent people?

Good to know...

Interesting to note that the dead cops BLM group was invited to particpate at the DNC convention. Disavow? Hell, the DNC promotes them.

They had tea and little sandwiches with the crust cut off at the White House as well. Embraced.

Shut er down

(08-18-2017 02:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be fair, he speaks off the cuff and at the time he was talking about the violence. I think "by good" he probably meant they were not being violent. I think he should have used the word "peaceful" rather than "good".
Your essentially trying to say Trump thinks Nazis are good. I dont even think you really even believe that.

That said, I do agree he has bungled this situation.

Yeah, but his own words betray that. He went on and on about how he speaks in perfection to the facts and only the facts.

He's just unfit to lead a country.

Again---he is speaking to the violence. Any non biased objective viewing of the videos from that day indicate that there were violent people on both sides. In fact, it actually appears the antifa elements were the most aggressive and violent (at least until the horror of the car attack).

That said---the whole base argument of civil war statues is an argument where Trump and the Republicans need to vacate the field. Its a local issue. Let them decide. The republicans were on the right side of the civil war---and the Democrats built most of these silly statue. Why let the Democrats try to make it look like its a Republican thing?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/d...you-think/
"A strong majority (62 percent) of Americans favor leaving the Confederate statues standing as historical markers
Overwhelming numbers of Republicans (86 percent) favor this, as do 61 percent of Independents
The only group with a majority favoring removal (57 percent) are “Strong Democrats” — as opposed to “Soft Democrats,” who slightly favor keeping them (52 percent)
When defined by political ideology, only Liberal/Very Liberal people muster a majority for taking statues down (57 percent). Among self-described Moderates, 67 percent favor leaving the statues standing. A whopping 81 percent of Conservative/Very Conservative people favor the statues staying in place
Unsurprisingly, the Northeast is the region of the country most in favor of removing the statues — but even there, a majority (53 percent) backs leaving the statues standing
Here’s a stunner: 44 percent of African-Americans polled believe in keeping the statues standing. Of Latinos, 65 percent believe the statues should remain"

I wouldnt be surprised if those numbers are correct---but I still believe its a local issue. Let them decide. Trump and Washington need not be involved. Thats how conservatism is supposed to work.

True, but imagine that.

A bunch of NE libs want to tell the people in the South how to run their States.

Where have we heard that before?

(08-18-2017 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 02:42 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  TDS... There is no cure and nothing will ever be enough.

Not for anyone involved in the "Arts and Humanities" for the most part anyway.
Be curious to know what exactly this committee did anyway. Why do we have a Federal government committee involved in A&H's? Not brushed up on my Constitution this week, but I don't recall seeing that in there.

Seems to me like an excellent time to look at defunding the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities. With no committee left, why should they have a budget?

I'd do it by the COB today, then move on down the list of the next place(s) to shutter.