http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-colum...85517.html

So Murray St going to the MVC is almost a sure thing.
Eastern Kentucky badly wants FBS, and Morehead St seems to think they will go even if the Sun Belt still doesn't offer, as EKU has seen what FBS has done for WKU and wants to keep up. EKU to a FBS CAA is also a possibility that the writer ignores.

Belmont going to the Southern is a an open question still.

Morehead St seems destined to have no reasonable travel partners in the OVC unless Bellarmine or Southern indiana gets calls from D2.

Horizone & MVC are not going to 12,
both made ultra conseriveted moves for status que
Murrey not gonna get in MVC
Eastern Kent would # 4 FBS, that ludercus

(08-05-2017 06:39 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Horizone & MVC are not going to 12,
both made ultra conseriveted moves for status que
Murrey not gonna get in MVC
Eastern Kent would # 4 FBS, that ludercus

Murray St could not have moved on short notice as it would royally screw up their football schedule. Murray St and ORU or Milwaukee will get added this upcoming fall to the MVC. Lot of chatter on the MVC message boards about ORU now. Murray St seems definite.

EKU has added on to several venues as if their waiting a conference invite. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless EKU knows more then we do.

Wow at Louisville and Morehead being in the same league at one point.

EKU isn't getting an FBS invite, so Morehead & the Colonels will remain travel partners for a long time.

Even if Murray and EKU get poached down the road, it's incredibly likely Bellarmine or USI (on the border) will get the invite.

Schools all over the country like Stoney Brook or EKU have built up facilities and at times mentioned FBS. Meanwhile no future FBS invites exist. The SBC is poor and needs to keep as much CFP money as possible. CUSA is already to big. The MWC is considering going all digital because of dropping attendance.
My guess is they know the invitation rule is a joke . Even before Liberty showed the way.
Libert having three FBS home games and a hybrid schedule year one helps future move up programs. Liberty , U Mass and NMSU can cover year one for a future school.

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(08-05-2017 07:37 PM)MJG Wrote:  Schools all over the country like Stoney Brook or EKU have built up facilities and at times mentioned FBS. Meanwhile no future FBS invites exist. The SBC is poor and needs to keep as much CFP money as possible. CUSA is already to big. The MWC is considering going all digital because of dropping attendance.
My guess is they know the invitation rule is a joke . Even before Liberty showed the way.
Libert having three FBS home games and a hybrid schedule year one helps future move up programs. Liberty , U Mass and NMSU can cover year one for a future school.

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EKU doesn't need a conference invite for FBS. I agree on that. If they have a sugar daddy would make it all the easier. Catching up to WKU seems to be important.

The Murray St story is likely very important to the Summit, as Oral Roberts has been getting a lot of mb talk about going to the MVC. If that's the case, the Summit will soon need to implement it's western strategyou, much to the consternation of many posters here.

Either ORU or IPFW is bad, but both are insurmountable losses without the Montanas and Idaho.

(08-05-2017 07:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 07:37 PM)MJG Wrote:  Schools all over the country like Stoney Brook or EKU have built up facilities and at times mentioned FBS. Meanwhile no future FBS invites exist. The SBC is poor and needs to keep as much CFP money as possible. CUSA is already to big. The MWC is considering going all digital because of dropping attendance.
My guess is they know the invitation rule is a joke . Even before Liberty showed the way.
Libert having three FBS home games and a hybrid schedule year one helps future move up programs. Liberty , U Mass and NMSU can cover year one for a future school.

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EKU doesn't need a conference invite for FBS. I agree on that. If they have a sugar daddy would make it all the easier. Catching up to WKU seems to be important.

The Murray St story is likely very important to the Summit, as Oral Roberts has been getting a lot of mb talk about going to the MVC. If that's the case, the Summit will soon need to implement it's western strategyou, much to the consternation of many posters here.

Either ORU or IPFW is bad, but both are insurmountable losses without the Montanas and Idaho.

Sounds like they need to play taps for the Summit if this scenario plays out.


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(08-05-2017 07:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 07:37 PM)MJG Wrote:  Schools all over the country like Stoney Brook or EKU have built up facilities and at times mentioned FBS. Meanwhile no future FBS invites exist. The SBC is poor and needs to keep as much CFP money as possible. CUSA is already to big. The MWC is considering going all digital because of dropping attendance.
My guess is they know the invitation rule is a joke . Even before Liberty showed the way.
Libert having three FBS home games and a hybrid schedule year one helps future move up programs. Liberty , U Mass and NMSU can cover year one for a future school.

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EKU doesn't need a conference invite for FBS. I agree on that. If they have a sugar daddy would make it all the easier. Catching up to WKU seems to be important.

The Murray St story is likely very important to the Summit, as Oral Roberts has been getting a lot of mb talk about going to the MVC. If that's the case, the Summit will soon need to implement it's western strategyou, much to the consternation of many posters here.

Either ORU or IPFW is bad, but both are insurmountable losses without the Montanas and Idaho.

All Summit would have to do is re-add UMKC. Stable.
4 Dakota's + Denver + Omaha + KC + WIU.

oppertunity of lifetime, panicing in press & Muurray St FB sch gets in the way, i'm not buying it
how much does ORU Help thier conf BB tourn
MVC should have graped Mill
MVC wanted to be agressive & built back up, MVC would have took 3
build up thier backside, extended thier footprint & protect thier conf bb tourn
& waited for A-10 to implode for chance at Dayton & St Lious
now they got 3 in Indiana

(08-05-2017 08:14 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 07:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 07:37 PM)MJG Wrote:  Schools all over the country like Stoney Brook or EKU have built up facilities and at times mentioned FBS. Meanwhile no future FBS invites exist. The SBC is poor and needs to keep as much CFP money as possible. CUSA is already to big. The MWC is considering going all digital because of dropping attendance.
My guess is they know the invitation rule is a joke . Even before Liberty showed the way.
Libert having three FBS home games and a hybrid schedule year one helps future move up programs. Liberty , U Mass and NMSU can cover year one for a future school.

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EKU doesn't need a conference invite for FBS. I agree on that. If they have a sugar daddy would make it all the easier. Catching up to WKU seems to be important.

The Murray St story is likely very important to the Summit, as Oral Roberts has been getting a lot of mb talk about going to the MVC. If that's the case, the Summit will soon need to implement it's western strategyou, much to the consternation of many posters here.

Either ORU or IPFW is bad, but both are insurmountable losses without the Montanas and Idaho.

All Summit would have to do is re-add UMKC. Stable.
4 Dakota's + Denver + Omaha + KC + WIU.

That only four baseball and five men's soccer teams. Still way short.

I don't think the A-10 is going to implode anytime soon. Unless if you're in the Big East, P5, and maybe some of the G5, the A-10 is an upgrade over anything else.

The MVFC will have a difficult decision on its hands if it chooses a 12th member. As long as the Summit doesn't need to reclassify as a FCS conference to satisfy Division I sport sponsorship requirements, I can see the MVC adding Murray State to give their football schools a concession, and Milwaukee or UIC as their twelfth member.

(08-05-2017 08:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I don't think the A-10 is going to implode anytime soon. Unless if you're in the Big East, P5, and maybe some of the G5, the A-10 is an upgrade over anything else.

The MVFC will have a difficult decision on its hands if it chooses a 12th member. As long as the Summit doesn't need to reclassify as a FCS conference to satisfy Division I sport sponsorship requirements, I can see the MVC adding Murray State to give their football schools a concession, and Milwaukee or UIC as their twelfth member.

Agree that Milwaukee would be the best new market, but the private schools want an even split with six each and Mo St needs a school closer to it so it's not such an island. MVC politics is rather extreme as UIC should have gotten in over Loyola.

(08-05-2017 08:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  That only four baseball and five men's soccer teams.

.... and the NCAA won't give a crap. I'm frankly unconvinced that they'll even realize there is such a rule on the books. But if they do, a waiver will be granted. Which is correct.

(08-05-2017 09:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 08:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  That only four baseball and five men's soccer teams.

.... and the NCAA won't give a crap. I'm frankly unconvinced that they'll even realize there is such a rule on the books. But if they do, a waiver will be granted. Which is correct.

Well conveniently, ORU came back on the Summit's grace year, so your theory was never tested for a mbb AQ conference. There is circumstantial evidence that the Summit was concerned.

The P5's greed is unbounded, and it wants more at-large bids.

There's a built-in grace period in the rules anyway. So since the Summit is still in compliance to at least July 1, 2018, if not longer, a school like North Dakota or South Dakota could add men's soccer, then grabbing two baseball schools as affiliates could cure the non-compliance.

The alternative would be for everyone to add men's volleyball, as the bare bones measure for compliance would be to offer 2.3 scholarships (50% of 4.5). Everyone obviously has a gym, and the only other expenses would be coaches' salaries and operations. If the Summit had one more hockey school it could use the four plus at least two affiliates option for that sport, but any upgrades from Division II would have had to join in 2015 for that to have been an option.

I like baseball but college baseball is so unfair to Northern schools. The Summit baseball schools should drop baseball for volleyball and add soccer if neccessary.

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I've said this before ..... the OVC schools made a BIG mistake when they decided not to invite NKU back in 2011.

If NKU is in the OVC, Morehead has no real concerns at all. Even if EKU leaves, NKU is close geographically. Morehead would not face the possibility of being very isolated and alone on the conference's northeastern flank.

If EKU and Murray ever do both leave the OVC --- Morehead no doubt calls the Horizon Conference. Even the Southern Conference could work - not a great geographical fit but not terrible either.

Supposedly, it was the Tennessee and Illinois based OVC schools that were most opposed to NKU back in 2011. Supposedly worried about NKU having too many resources and potentially dominating the league. Those Tennessee and Illinois based OVC schools may someday get to find out how much they enjoy being in a D-1 conference with no Kentucky schools, a D-1 conference that becomes even less relevant than it is today.

If Murray and Eastern both fly the coop, the OVC ought to add Kennesaw State and Bellarmine:

SiU Edwardsville/Eastern Illinois
Southeast Missouri State/Tenneseee-Martin
Austin Peay/Belmont
Tennessee State/Tennessee Tech
Bellarmine/Morehead State
Jacksonville State/Kennesaw State

North Alabama is actually closer to Nashville than it is Jacksonville, but they could work in place of Kennesaw State if the OVC hangs on until after their transition is complete.

(08-06-2017 01:05 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  Supposedly, it was the Tennessee and Illinois based OVC schools that were most opposed to NKU back in 2011. Supposedly worried about NKU having too many resources and potentially dominating the league. Those Tennessee and Illinois based OVC schools may someday get to find out how much they enjoy being in a D-1 conference with no Kentucky schools, a D-1 conference that becomes even less relevant than it is today.

It's simply incredible that schools like EIU have the audacity to block NKU on that basis when they make zero effort to compete in hoops to begin with. Definition of conference killers.

(08-05-2017 11:20 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  There's a built-in grace period in the rules anyway. So since the Summit is still in compliance to at least July 1, 2018, if not longer, a school like North Dakota or South Dakota could add men's soccer, then grabbing two baseball schools as affiliates could cure the non-compliance.

The alternative would be for everyone to add men's volleyball, as the bare bones measure for compliance would be to offer 2.3 scholarships (50% of 4.5). Everyone obviously has a gym, and the only other expenses would be coaches' salaries and operations. If the Summit had one more hockey school it could use the four plus at least two affiliates option for that sport, but any upgrades from Division II would have had to join in 2015 for that to have been an option.

Absolutely LOVE this idea. Not sure if it has a chance in heck ... but would LOVE to see all four Dakota's step up and save the Summit League by adding men's soccer and men's volleyball as varsity sports.

(08-06-2017 01:54 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If Murray and Eastern both fly the coop, the OVC ought to add Kennesaw State and Bellarmine:

SiU Edwardsville/Eastern Illinois
Southeast Missouri State/Tenneseee-Martin
Austin Peay/Belmont
Tennessee State/Tennessee Tech
Bellarmine/Morehead State
Jacksonville State/Kennesaw State

North Alabama is actually closer to Nashville than it is Jacksonville, but they could work in place of Kennesaw State if the OVC hangs on until after their transition is complete.

Better yet, don't add those two and also lose Jacksonville State, which has a much stronger FCS football program than Eastern Kentucky. I don't see any chance that if Eastern seeks a waiver to move up to FBS independent, that Jacksonville St wouldn't do the exact same thing. They'd love to be playing Troy again.


In that case ..... why does Morehead care if it's the last/only Kentucky school left in the OVC?? SEMO is the only Missouri school, E ILL is the only Illinois schools .... so what?