(06-29-2017 11:30 AM)shock Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 02:34 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 01:49 AM)shock Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 11:47 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Stadium

Wiki is showing current capacity at 24k. It's always been 31.5k. Nothing structurally has changed...

Its taking into account Marshall and his balls being in attendance.

that came across super creepy.....

Lol. Uh... I'm pretty sure everyone else knew that that wasn't literal. Must be that Memphis degree at work

so defensive.....

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

(06-29-2017 11:21 AM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  So, what women's programs are you going to add to offset the football addition?

This is an asinine topic.


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...and what does that make you... posting in a supposed asinine thread? Please let that sink in—I'm sure that it won't encounter any resistance—and PM me if you want to continue this "asinine" discussion....

Btw... Please consider the fact that a new member of a non-football school sincerely started this thread.

I just came up with a brilliant idea (I think). Here's how it works:

Wichita States restarts football at the FCS level. We would immediately fill our roster with AAC recruits who either aren't ready to play at the FBS level or the respective school "affiliated" with the recruit doesn't have room and doesn't want the player languishing on the bench as a redshirt. So send 'em down to Wichita! We'll even give them practice jerseys with the name of the AAC school they hope to play for someday printed on the back.

Wichita State would also play 5 OOC games each year against AAC teams earning around 400-500k per game (this is how we fund the team). Of course we would never win, that would be agreed upon before the game. We would run these games like closed scrimmages (secretly) helping to build our players/recruits for MVFC play and eventually AAC progression.

Because of WSU's unique membership into a FBS league without FBS football, the opportunity for collusion with respect to recruiting, training, and OOC W/L manipulation is evident. Our primary reason for existence would be as an AAC farm club so our mission would be clear: do anything and everything to make AAC football better.

What we get out of this is obvious; as we provide a service to the AAC, we are also building a football program and putting a product on the field that could compete for MVFC championships providing entertainment for students and fans. If the day comes, and we have an opportunity or need to make the jump to FBS, it won't be nearly as far as if we had simply done nothing or not been a partial member of the AAC.

So whatdyathink? Legendary pioneering idea in the world of major college athletics? Or merely the prattle of a bored basketball fan with little knowledge of pigskin affairs.


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(06-29-2017 02:32 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I just came up with a brilliant idea (I think). Here's how it works:

Wichita States restarts football at the FCS level. We would immediately fill our roster with AAC recruits who either aren't ready to play at the FBS level or the respective school "affiliated" with the recruit doesn't have room and doesn't want the player languishing on the bench as a redshirt. So send 'em down to Wichita! We'll even give them practice jerseys with the name of the AAC school they hope to play for someday printed on the back.

Wichita State would also play 5 OOC games each year against AAC teams earning around 400-500k per game (this is how we fund the team). Of course we would never win, that would be agreed upon before the game. We would run these games like closed scrimmages (secretly) helping to build our players/recruits for MVFC play and eventually AAC progression.

Because of WSU's unique membership into a FBS league without FBS football, the opportunity for collusion with respect to recruiting, training, and OOC W/L manipulation is evident. Our primary reason for existence would be as an AAC farm club so our mission would be clear: do anything and everything to make AAC football better.

What we get out of this is obvious; as we provide a service to the AAC, we are also building a football program and putting a product on the field that could compete for MVFC championships providing entertainment for students and fans. If the day comes, and we have an opportunity or need to make the jump to FBS, it won't be nearly as far as if we had simply done nothing or not been a partial member of the AAC.

So whatdyathink? Legendary pioneering idea in the world of major college athletics? Or merely the prattle of a bored basketball fan with little knowledge of pigskin affairs.


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I appreciate the creative thinking, but it’s too similar to what JC’s do. You have a stadium that’s almost double the FBS minimum if I’m not mistaken. WS should just focus on starting and developing a FCS program. Schools in this conference would gladly schedule you as an OOC opponent in my opinion. When (not if) the B12’s future raid occurs, WS would be ready to replace a stolen school….

(06-29-2017 03:06 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 02:32 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I just came up with a brilliant idea (I think). Here's how it works:

Wichita States restarts football at the FCS level. We would immediately fill our roster with AAC recruits who either aren't ready to play at the FBS level or the respective school "affiliated" with the recruit doesn't have room and doesn't want the player languishing on the bench as a redshirt. So send 'em down to Wichita! We'll even give them practice jerseys with the name of the AAC school they hope to play for someday printed on the back.

Wichita State would also play 5 OOC games each year against AAC teams earning around 400-500k per game (this is how we fund the team). Of course we would never win, that would be agreed upon before the game. We would run these games like closed scrimmages (secretly) helping to build our players/recruits for MVFC play and eventually AAC progression.

Because of WSU's unique membership into a FBS league without FBS football, the opportunity for collusion with respect to recruiting, training, and OOC W/L manipulation is evident. Our primary reason for existence would be as an AAC farm club so our mission would be clear: do anything and everything to make AAC football better.

What we get out of this is obvious; as we provide a service to the AAC, we are also building a football program and putting a product on the field that could compete for MVFC championships providing entertainment for students and fans. If the day comes, and we have an opportunity or need to make the jump to FBS, it won't be nearly as far as if we had simply done nothing or not been a partial member of the AAC.

So whatdyathink? Legendary pioneering idea in the world of major college athletics? Or merely the prattle of a bored basketball fan with little knowledge of pigskin affairs.


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I appreciate the creative thinking, but it’s too similar to what JC’s do. You have a stadium that’s almost double the FBS minimum if I’m not mistaken. WS should just focus on starting and developing a FCS program. Schools in this conference would gladly schedule you as an OOC opponent in my opinion. When (not if) the B12’s future raid occurs, WS would be ready to replace a stolen school….

If we're restarting football only to fill a football slot in what would then be a defunct AAC having all the quality basketball programs left... no thanks. The only reason for starting football (at least initially) would be to protect basketball and provide an opportunity to move UP with the others.

If we're left out of the new 4 super conferences, there will be no reason to remain in the AAC. We'll be panhandling outside the Big Pee or MWC home office. It will be a miserable state of affairs.


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(06-29-2017 03:30 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:06 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 02:32 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I just came up with a brilliant idea (I think). Here's how it works:

Wichita States restarts football at the FCS level. We would immediately fill our roster with AAC recruits who either aren't ready to play at the FBS level or the respective school "affiliated" with the recruit doesn't have room and doesn't want the player languishing on the bench as a redshirt. So send 'em down to Wichita! We'll even give them practice jerseys with the name of the AAC school they hope to play for someday printed on the back.

Wichita State would also play 5 OOC games each year against AAC teams earning around 400-500k per game (this is how we fund the team). Of course we would never win, that would be agreed upon before the game. We would run these games like closed scrimmages (secretly) helping to build our players/recruits for MVFC play and eventually AAC progression.

Because of WSU's unique membership into a FBS league without FBS football, the opportunity for collusion with respect to recruiting, training, and OOC W/L manipulation is evident. Our primary reason for existence would be as an AAC farm club so our mission would be clear: do anything and everything to make AAC football better.

What we get out of this is obvious; as we provide a service to the AAC, we are also building a football program and putting a product on the field that could compete for MVFC championships providing entertainment for students and fans. If the day comes, and we have an opportunity or need to make the jump to FBS, it won't be nearly as far as if we had simply done nothing or not been a partial member of the AAC.

So whatdyathink? Legendary pioneering idea in the world of major college athletics? Or merely the prattle of a bored basketball fan with little knowledge of pigskin affairs.


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I appreciate the creative thinking, but it’s too similar to what JC’s do. You have a stadium that’s almost double the FBS minimum if I’m not mistaken. WS should just focus on starting and developing a FCS program. Schools in this conference would gladly schedule you as an OOC opponent in my opinion. When (not if) the B12’s future raid occurs, WS would be ready to replace a stolen school….

If we're restarting football only to fill a football slot in what would then be a defunct AAC having all the quality basketball programs left... no thanks. The only reason for starting football (at least initially) would be to protect basketball and provide an opportunity to move UP with the others.

If we're left out of the new 4 super conferences, there will be no reason to remain in the AAC. We'll be panhandling outside the Big Pee or MWC home office. It will be a miserable state of affairs.


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You do realize that your so called, “the new 4 super conferences” are the ACC, B1G, PAC 12 and SEC. WS literally has no shot at those conferences . In fact, the B1G, PAC 12, and SEC will likely be responsible for raiding the B12—which sets off a domino effect. You’re losing sight of the fact that by playing FCS, the American could call upon WS to replace a departing school. The conference would only need 8 FBS schools to remain viable. Consequently, you could consider WS as insurance against a future B12 raid. Furthermore, WS can’t expect to move up to FBS unless there’s an opening. That opening would only occur when the B12 raids this conference. Thus; WS would fill a vacant spot in the American. This is the best opportunity that you could hope for as a FBS program in my opinion.

(06-29-2017 04:26 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:30 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 03:06 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 02:32 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I just came up with a brilliant idea (I think). Here's how it works:

Wichita States restarts football at the FCS level. We would immediately fill our roster with AAC recruits who either aren't ready to play at the FBS level or the respective school "affiliated" with the recruit doesn't have room and doesn't want the player languishing on the bench as a redshirt. So send 'em down to Wichita! We'll even give them practice jerseys with the name of the AAC school they hope to play for someday printed on the back.

Wichita State would also play 5 OOC games each year against AAC teams earning around 400-500k per game (this is how we fund the team). Of course we would never win, that would be agreed upon before the game. We would run these games like closed scrimmages (secretly) helping to build our players/recruits for MVFC play and eventually AAC progression.

Because of WSU's unique membership into a FBS league without FBS football, the opportunity for collusion with respect to recruiting, training, and OOC W/L manipulation is evident. Our primary reason for existence would be as an AAC farm club so our mission would be clear: do anything and everything to make AAC football better.

What we get out of this is obvious; as we provide a service to the AAC, we are also building a football program and putting a product on the field that could compete for MVFC championships providing entertainment for students and fans. If the day comes, and we have an opportunity or need to make the jump to FBS, it won't be nearly as far as if we had simply done nothing or not been a partial member of the AAC.

So whatdyathink? Legendary pioneering idea in the world of major college athletics? Or merely the prattle of a bored basketball fan with little knowledge of pigskin affairs.


T


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I appreciate the creative thinking, but it’s too similar to what JC’s do. You have a stadium that’s almost double the FBS minimum if I’m not mistaken. WS should just focus on starting and developing a FCS program. Schools in this conference would gladly schedule you as an OOC opponent in my opinion. When (not if) the B12’s future raid occurs, WS would be ready to replace a stolen school….

If we're restarting football only to fill a football slot in what would then be a defunct AAC having all the quality basketball programs left... no thanks. The only reason for starting football (at least initially) would be to protect basketball and provide an opportunity to move UP with the others.

If we're left out of the new 4 super conferences, there will be no reason to remain in the AAC. We'll be panhandling outside the Big Pee or MWC home office. It will be a miserable state of affairs.


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You do realize that your so called, “the new 4 super conferences” are the ACC, B1G, PAC 12 and SEC. WS literally has no shot at those conferences . In fact, the B1G, PAC 12, and SEC will likely be responsible for raiding the B12—which sets off a domino effect. You’re losing sight of the fact that by playing FCS, the American could call upon WS to replace a departing school. The conference would only need 8 FBS schools to remain viable. Consequently, you could consider WS as insurance against a future B12 raid. Furthermore, WS can’t expect to move up to FBS unless there’s an opening. That opening would only occur when the B12 raids this conference. Thus; WS would fill a vacant spot in the American. This is the best opportunity that you could hope for as a FBS program in my opinion.

Yes, I certainly mistyped there. I was talking about hitching a ride along with the AAC basketball schools to - I guess it would be the new B12-16. This new conference would be a slightly upgraded AAC with the old AAC becoming the new CUSA. No thanks on the latter.

I also realized after some thought, that we would have no opportunity to join this conference in FBS during the next 7 years as it would have to occur at exactly the same time a new T.V. deal is written and there would be better football programs to choose from than an upstart WSU team regardless of our basketball prowess. It would seem we have virtually no chance to better our odds (with football) before 2025 unless I'm missing something.

I don't consider playing football in the newly raided AAC an option. It would make zero financial sense. New AAC schools attempting to play football would be in worse financial straits than the current membership. The New AAC would be behind the MWC and firmly out of the "power" picture. I doubt we would get booted from this weakened conference so having football at that point would offer no strategic advantage with regards to conference affiliation.

So it appears all we can do is win as much as possible on the hardwood in the time allotted us and hold onto our nuts in 2025 praying for a miracle. While I may have taken a different route, it seems I find myself landing in the same spot as the "never footballers".

This intellectual "exercise" appears to have found its end. *hears the board clapping*


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Bring back Phillip Fulmer?

(06-29-2017 12:22 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 11:21 AM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  So, what women's programs are you going to add to offset the football addition?

This is an asinine topic.


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...and what does that make you... posting in a supposed asinine thread? Please let that sink in—I'm sure that it won't encounter any resistance—and PM me if you want to continue this "asinine" discussion....

Btw... Please consider the fact that a new member of a non-football school sincerely started this thread.

Haha. Welcome to the board, please enjoy your time during the dead season before the fall when such tripe will be overlooked quickly.

It's an asinine thread because it doesn't address the requirements for the school to begin the program, questions that have to be addressed even before you begin trying to find a spot to put a team that the schools new conference doesn't want any part of.

But please, do continue to get all spun up about a non-starter issue and post incessantly. I'm sure there's a UNI or App State fan who would love to talk to you about it.


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(07-03-2017 01:21 AM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 12:22 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 11:21 AM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  So, what women's programs are you going to add to offset the football addition?

This is an asinine topic.


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...and what does that make you... posting in a supposed asinine thread? Please let that sink in—I'm sure that it won't encounter any resistance—and PM me if you want to continue this "asinine" discussion....

Btw... Please consider the fact that a new member of a non-football school sincerely started this thread.

Haha. Welcome to the board, please enjoy your time during the dead season before the fall when such tripe will be overlooked quickly.

It's an asinine thread because it doesn't address the requirements for the school to begin the program, questions that have to be addressed even before you begin trying to find a spot to put a team that the schools new conference doesn't want any part of.

But please, do continue to get all spun up about a non-starter issue and post incessantly. I'm sure there's a UNI or App State fan who would love to talk to you about it.


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Considering that the school in question already did a pretty in depth look into it and the rapidly changing face of college athletics I would say this is a topic made for speculation, which is of course the point of message boards.

Let us not forget people on here were saying wichita was never coming. Turns out that most of the speculation on this board was mirrored by the powers that be and the same arguments made. So its not all pointless, besides the overall purpose of existence in a nihilistic sense.

(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.


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Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

(07-03-2017 03:08 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.


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Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

(07-07-2017 02:14 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 03:08 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.


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Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

If/when the B12 implodes, the remnants of that league are going to be looking for refuge in conferences like the AAC, not looking to poach a team or two from conferences like the AAC.

KState joining WSU in the AAC is monumentally more likely than WSU joining the B12.

(07-07-2017 02:45 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:14 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 03:08 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.


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Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

If/when the B12 implodes, the remnants of that league are going to be looking for refuge in conferences like the AAC, not looking to poach a team or two from conferences like the AAC.

KState joining WSU in the AAC is monumentally more likely than WSU joining the B12.

This may be true. But remember, the AAC was formed out of scraps and remnants of the Big East which cherry picked the rest of us to join. Same could happen for the Big 12. Although I don't think the Big 12 is going anywhere soon.

(07-07-2017 03:02 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:45 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:14 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 03:08 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.


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Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

If/when the B12 implodes, the remnants of that league are going to be looking for refuge in conferences like the AAC, not looking to poach a team or two from conferences like the AAC.

KState joining WSU in the AAC is monumentally more likely than WSU joining the B12.

This may be true. But remember, the AAC was formed out of scraps and remnants of the Big East which cherry picked the rest of us to join. Same could happen for the Big 12. Although I don't think the Big 12 is going anywhere soon.

This ^ is spot on.... +2 for you.... If I may add... UC, UConn, and USF dismantled CUSA into the SBC without having a name and being unstable. I don’t have time to disclose all the details about the demolishing of CUSA by those three schools, but what Hurricane Drummer posted is true and should be an example of what would likely happen to us if the B12 leftovers look to rebuild….

(07-07-2017 03:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:02 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:45 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:14 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 03:08 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Now that's funny, even if you didn't intend for it to be so.

This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

If/when the B12 implodes, the remnants of that league are going to be looking for refuge in conferences like the AAC, not looking to poach a team or two from conferences like the AAC.

KState joining WSU in the AAC is monumentally more likely than WSU joining the B12.

This may be true. But remember, the AAC was formed out of scraps and remnants of the Big East which cherry picked the rest of us to join. Same could happen for the Big 12. Although I don't think the Big 12 is going anywhere soon.

This ^ is spot on.... +2 for you.... If I may add... UC, UConn, and USF dismantled CUSA into the SBC without having a name and being unstable. I don’t have time to disclose all the details about the demolishing of CUSA by those three schools, but what Hurricane Drummer posted is true and should be an example of what would likely happen to us if the B12 leftovers look to rebuild….

Who's looking to rebuild? That is the question. If the top schools leave, they "are the MWC" (quote attributed to Iowa State AD)... Money will dictate if the MWC clone is worth paying steep exit fees for an uncertain TV deal.

It's not a similar situation to what Marrinato had. Not close.

I'll add that the schools who joined UC, UConn, and USF, have spent heavily and are very different properties than when they were pulled.

I'm at peace with the issue now. I realize that there's nothing Wichita State can do to prepare for the eventual collapse of the B12 and the vacuum that will ensue. The new B12 will eventually become a slightly upgraded version of the current AAC. The new AAC will become a slightly upgraded version of the current CUSA.

Unless there's a miracle and the new B12 accepts a bball-only member, we are screwed and the clock is officially ticking. There's no point in us starting football as we won't have time to build the program up to the quality of the current 10-15 programs that will be competing to fill the void in the now depleted B12.

To borrow a regionally appropriate saying: I guess we'll need to make hay while the sun shines. *sigh* I suspect our administration will offer to convert the university to Jesuit in hopes of finding a spot in the Big Pee.

*begging* Please don't leave us behind with ECU and Tulane!!!


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(07-07-2017 03:46 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 03:02 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:45 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 02:14 PM)Underdog Wrote:  This is strictly hypothetical: Let’s imagine WS is allowed to play football in this conference and continues to dominate in basketball. If the B12 implodes in the future and Kansas leaves, what is the first school in this conference that pops in your mind to replace it?

If/when the B12 implodes, the remnants of that league are going to be looking for refuge in conferences like the AAC, not looking to poach a team or two from conferences like the AAC.

KState joining WSU in the AAC is monumentally more likely than WSU joining the B12.

This may be true. But remember, the AAC was formed out of scraps and remnants of the Big East which cherry picked the rest of us to join. Same could happen for the Big 12. Although I don't think the Big 12 is going anywhere soon.

This ^ is spot on.... +2 for you.... If I may add... UC, UConn, and USF dismantled CUSA into the SBC without having a name and being unstable. I don’t have time to disclose all the details about the demolishing of CUSA by those three schools, but what Hurricane Drummer posted is true and should be an example of what would likely happen to us if the B12 leftovers look to rebuild….

Who's looking to rebuild? That is the question. If the top schools leave, they "are the MWC" (quote attributed to Iowa State AD)... Money will dictate if the MWC clone is worth paying steep exit fees for an uncertain TV deal.

It's not a similar situation to what Marrinato had. Not close.

I'll add that the schools who joined UC, UConn, and USF, have spent heavily and are very different properties than when they were pulled.

The following quote is from my previous post in this thread (#67)

“The sources said that if Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were to leave the Big 12 and the five remaining schools do not have an opportunity to join the ACC, SEC or Big Ten, the Big 12 would move to absorb remaining Big East schools -- not the other way around….

One Big 12 source said the reason it would absorb the Big East is the conference's ability to secure a television deal, currently with Fox, and three more years with ESPN/ABC -- although a new configuration could open it up to a new arrangement.”

What you need to realize is that the B12 leftovers were going to raid this conference back in 2011 when the Big East was a “power” conference. What do you think the future B12 leftovers would do to this current version of the Big East? Please note that the American is the renamed football version of the Big East—not some recent startup conference….

Regarding your point about exit fees, they could either invite enough schools to dissolve this conference or use their exit fees from (likely) UT, TT, OU, OSU, and KU to pay the exit fees for the schools in this conference that are invited. The B12 brand is the third best football brand in the country; the SEC and B1G are the top two. The American is still trying to establish its identity nationally,which is why the exposure that we currently have is very valuable. Nevertheless, there are many schools in this conference that wouldn’t hesitate to join a rebuilding B12—even if the TV $$ were the same. Moreover, I seriously doubt Houston, Memphis, SMU, UC, etc… would turn down a B12 invite and risk other schools taking their place. They would have to raid CUSA again. Consquently, which is the best option for schools in this conference: Join a rebuilding B12 or rebuild the American with more CUSA parts....

You also posted: “Who's looking to rebuild? That is the question.” I gave three different scenarios in post #84 of this thread in response to the op’s request. I still think the B12 leftovers will be Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor, TCU, and WV. That foundation is better than any group of five MWC schools that could be assembled and which you compare them to. In fact, they could easily pick apart the MWC if they decided to….

(07-09-2017 01:45 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I'm at peace with the issue now. I realize that there's nothing Wichita State can do to prepare for the eventual collapse of the B12 and the vacuum that will ensue. The new B12 will eventually become a slightly upgraded version of the current AAC. The new AAC will become a slightly upgraded version of the current CUSA.

Unless there's a miracle and the new B12 accepts a bball-only member, we are screwed and the clock is officially ticking. There's no point in us starting football as we won't have time to build the program up to the quality of the current 10-15 programs that will be competing to fill the void in the now depleted B12.

To borrow a regionally appropriate saying: I guess we'll need to make hay while the sun shines. *sigh* I suspect our administration will offer to convert the university to Jesuit in hopes of finding a spot in the Big Pee.

*begging* Please don't leave us behind with ECU and Tulane!!!


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I agree....

(07-09-2017 02:12 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 01:45 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I'm at peace with the issue now. I realize that there's nothing Wichita State can do to prepare for the eventual collapse of the B12 and the vacuum that will ensue. The new B12 will eventually become a slightly upgraded version of the current AAC. The new AAC will become a slightly upgraded version of the current CUSA.

Unless there's a miracle and the new B12 accepts a bball-only member, we are screwed and the clock is officially ticking. There's no point in us starting football as we won't have time to build the program up to the quality of the current 10-15 programs that will be competing to fill the void in the now depleted B12.

To borrow a regionally appropriate saying: I guess we'll need to make hay while the sun shines. *sigh* I suspect our administration will offer to convert the university to Jesuit in hopes of finding a spot in the Big Pee.

*begging* Please don't leave us behind with ECU and Tulane!!!


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I agree....

We can agree to disagree..

The Big 12 leftovers just don't have the geography to offer big revenue and they'll need a windfall to make it worth it. It would involve a total rebuild of their footprint.

The money is not there.

It's Pollyanna to believe that brand is some great umbrella. Texas and OU are the brand value.