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MyBB Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Roy Hibbert
etc. etc.

Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
Not enough titles. They were only a couple shots away from 3/4 too. Win those and they are probably on the right side of the rope.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
my thought is they're probably just in that 2nd tier. The 30 appearances sounds good- but it's only looking good enough for 20th all time. The 5 final 4's- good enough for tied for 15th.

This is one that 10 years ago, I think you could make the case that they were. but the last 10 years- really since the final 4 in 2007- haven't been kind. Only 6 bids and 3 wins in that period- vs UMBC, Belmont, and E Washington. Losses to Ohio and Florida Gulf Coast in that period(among 5 losses to double digit seeds). Hopefully with JT3 being gone things will change.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
So all of this brings me to my second question --- why can't they sustain it the way those in the second tier have been able to? ie. L'ville, Cuse, etc.

They have some of the best facilities in the country, play in an NBA arena, sponsored by Jordan brand, located in recruiting hotbed, prestigious academic institution.

Is it because of JTII?
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 10:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  So all of this brings me to my second question --- why can't they sustain it the way those in the second tier have been able to? ie. L'ville, Cuse, etc.

They have some of the best facilities in the country, play in an NBA arena, sponsored by Jordan brand, located in recruiting hotbed, prestigious academic institution.

Is it because of JTII?
I think a LOT of it is JT3. I'd say 90%.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 10:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  So all of this brings me to my second question --- why can't they sustain it the way those in the second tier have been able to? ie. L'ville, Cuse, etc.

They have some of the best facilities in the country, play in an NBA arena, sponsored by Jordan brand, located in recruiting hotbed, prestigious academic institution.

Is it because of JTII?

Georgetown had mediocre facilities up until 8 months ago when it opened the Thompson Center.

It's all about the coaching. Craig Esherick (Big John's longtime assistant) was a mediocre head coach when he took over. JTIII really fizzled out at the end of his tenure.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
They held onto JT3 IMO 3 years too long. I think they should have gotten rid of him after the 2014 season where they missed the tourney(on the heels of the Florida Gulf Coast loss the prior year).
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
Has Ewing hired any good recruiters?
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.

I'd 2nd this.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.

I don't get this Arizona love and putting them up near the top echelon. They have won one championship. They are a constant underachiever, just look at this year. Xavier with their best player out for the season beat them in the NCAA's. They get big time recruits every year and get lofty rankings every pre-season and constantly underachieve. Arizona never had the level of dominance that Georgetown had at one point. At least the Hoyas were very close to 3 titles in 3 years.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
If Georgetown wins 3 titles in 3 years instead of losing those games, they'd have to be considered one.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
Arizona made a lot of ground up on the Hoyas last 10 years though.....
Arizona with 3 elite 8's and 3 other sweet 16's in those 10 years. Only 2 tourney misses in the 10 years.

Arizona now with 9 more tourney wins and 4 more appearances. With a lot of that gap in the last 10 years.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 10:01 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Roy Hibbert
etc. etc.

Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?

I'd have to vote no on that.

They're in the same boat as Indiana for example, past glory put them into the category, but the shine of definitely off.

Seems the only TRUE blue bloods left are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
Arizona has been an underachiver. They're not even close. They're like Texas A&M football, you can count on them to be good and nationally relevant but that's about it.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 11:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:01 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Roy Hibbert
etc. etc.

Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?

I'd have to vote no on that.

They're in the same boat as Indiana for example, past glory put them into the category, but the shine of definitely off.

Seems the only TRUE blue bloods left are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky.

At least Indiana has the titles. Georgetown doesn't.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
No. Blue bloods are able to sustain/recreate success through multiple coaching staffs.

So Ewing (and subsequently his replacements) will need to be extremely successful IMHO for Georgetown to be a blue blood
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
Not a blue blood...level below that.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 11:15 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:01 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Roy Hibbert
etc. etc.

Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?

I'd have to vote no on that.

They're in the same boat as Indiana for example, past glory put them into the category, but the shine of definitely off.

Seems the only TRUE blue bloods left are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky.

At least Indiana has the titles. Georgetown doesn't.

True, they do have multiple titles, but it's been 30 years since then won their last one.

I think you could argue that Louisville or even Michigan State have passed them on the list.
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
(06-20-2017 12:23 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:15 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 11:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:01 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Roy Hibbert
etc. etc.

Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?

I'd have to vote no on that.

They're in the same boat as Indiana for example, past glory put them into the category, but the shine of definitely off.

Seems the only TRUE blue bloods left are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky.

At least Indiana has the titles. Georgetown doesn't.

True, they do have multiple titles, but it's been 30 years since then won their last one.

I think you could argue that Louisville or even Michigan State have passed them on the list.

Since 1990 the B1G has only won one title. Yeeesh!
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