(06-17-2017 09:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

Then, yes it is......

(06-17-2017 05:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 09:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  NCAA rules say if you do this you must drop the ACC Championship Game.

Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

Then, yes it is......

Then who is #15?

(06-17-2017 06:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 05:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 09:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

Then, yes it is......

Then who is #15?

My vote would be West Virginia (but then, I've never been to a game in Morgantown).

(06-17-2017 06:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 05:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 09:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

Then, yes it is......

Then who is #15?

Actually there would be no 15. Only Texas as a partial.

(06-17-2017 02:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 10:34 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If ..... and I realize this is a big IF that has already been made impossible by the small minds of the Big Ten and SEC .... but IF we could do away with the divisions, and go to a 3 permanent football foes schedule, where the other 10 schools are rotated in ... I think 14 would be the perfect number. With ND playing their 5 ACC opponents a year.

With Auburn b!tch!ing about where they are in the SEC, I would see the SEC decide to create more schedule flexibility by adopting the same thing the ACC tried to adopt.

Both the SEC and ACC keep their 8 game conference schedule, allowing for 4 out of conference games a year.

The ACC keeps ND playing the entire league on a regular basis.

ND keeps the ability to play 7 "out of conference" games for their national schedule.

And every ACC school gets to play every other ACC school two times in a 4 year period.



This wouldn't prevent expansion down the road, but IF we could adopt the 3 permanent foes a year schedule model, with no divisions, 14 could work very well.

Why wouldn't the B1G be just as interested in allowing this (or simply allowing each conference to decide for itself how it determines its CCG participants)?

Because Jim Delaney...

(06-17-2017 06:04 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 05:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 09:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 08:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:49 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Correct. Under the current rules however you could still make 15 work. Let #15 alternate between the current divisions every other year & just play divisional games. This would work for ND. If not ND then I would give Clemson the opportunity to take on this role since they have multiple OOC rivals & having only 7 conference games would help them schedule their rivals more often.

Clemson it is, then.

If ND still considers their delusion of "independence" is worth giving up a chance at an ACC football championship that would help their CFP aspirations, additional money, reducing their HC scheduling woes & recruiting on a more level playing field for two additional games then yes.

Then, yes it is......

Then who is #15?

Not my concern.

No, 18 is.

Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Louisville
Miami

Virginia
Virginia Tech
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

(06-17-2017 07:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 02:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-17-2017 10:34 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If ..... and I realize this is a big IF that has already been made impossible by the small minds of the Big Ten and SEC .... but IF we could do away with the divisions, and go to a 3 permanent football foes schedule, where the other 10 schools are rotated in ... I think 14 would be the perfect number. With ND playing their 5 ACC opponents a year.

With Auburn b!tch!ing about where they are in the SEC, I would see the SEC decide to create more schedule flexibility by adopting the same thing the ACC tried to adopt.

Both the SEC and ACC keep their 8 game conference schedule, allowing for 4 out of conference games a year.

The ACC keeps ND playing the entire league on a regular basis.

ND keeps the ability to play 7 "out of conference" games for their national schedule.

And every ACC school gets to play every other ACC school two times in a 4 year period.



This wouldn't prevent expansion down the road, but IF we could adopt the 3 permanent foes a year schedule model, with no divisions, 14 could work very well.

Why wouldn't the B1G be just as interested in allowing this (or simply allowing each conference to decide for itself how it determines its CCG participants)?

Because Jim Delaney...

Yes ... Jim Delaney ... But also ...

The Big Ten has already gone to a 9 game conference schedule, or will be soon. Unlike the SEC and ACC, the Big Ten doesn't share a good hunk of it's geographic footprint with another P5. So out-of-conference, intersectional games aren't as big for them as they are for the SEC and ACC, who feature some pretty big annual matchups between their members.

Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

(06-18-2017 12:22 PM)nole Wrote:  Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

Because, with more filling, it's a bigger pie, and bigger pies are worth more and command a higher price than little ones.

(06-19-2017 12:07 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 12:22 PM)nole Wrote:  Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

Because, with more filling, it's a bigger pie, and bigger pies are worth more and command a higher price than little ones.

It depends on the filling. If you fill the pie with crap then the pie isn't worth more even though it's larger.

(06-19-2017 12:07 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 12:22 PM)nole Wrote:  Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

Because, with more filling, it's a bigger pie, and bigger pies are worth more and command a higher price than little ones.

Nope...it's about PER TEAM payout....the ACC is the lowest, add more ex Big East teams, and it will get smaller.

In their defense VERY FEW teams, much fewer than the fans understand actually will add to the PER TEAM payout.

(06-19-2017 12:31 PM)nole Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:07 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 12:22 PM)nole Wrote:  Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

Because, with more filling, it's a bigger pie, and bigger pies are worth more and command a higher price than little ones.

Nope...it's about PER TEAM payout....the ACC is the lowest, add more ex Big East teams, and it will get smaller.

In their defense VERY FEW teams, much fewer than the fans understand actually will add to the PER TEAM payout.

Right. Almost none at this point, in fact.

#15 = East Carolina.

(06-19-2017 02:55 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  #15 = East Carolina.

Classic.

(06-19-2017 02:55 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  #15 = East Carolina.

I love East Carolina --- passionate fan base that fills their stadium and travels. Plus their uni's are cool, and they have the best mid field design of anyone in college football.

I don't see a way for them to join the ACC though.

I'd take them over UConn though, in a heartbeat.

(06-19-2017 04:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:55 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  #15 = East Carolina.

Classic.

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(06-19-2017 02:55 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  #15 = East Carolina.

Nah make them #14 after we kick NC State out.

(06-19-2017 12:19 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:07 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 12:22 PM)nole Wrote:  Why would the ACC, with the smallest payout, split the pie even more ways?

Unless you are adding ND, Texas, PSU, or some other unlikely TRUE blue blood, you are just giving yourself more mouths to feed.


B1G just started paying out north of $50 Million, while ACC is under $30 Million.

Because, with more filling, it's a bigger pie, and bigger pies are worth more and command a higher price than little ones.

It depends on the filling. If you fill the pie with crap then the pie isn't worth more even though it's larger.

All pies have crap in them. To borrow a sentiment from W. Edwards Deming, half the ingredients in any pie are below average.

At least some of those below-average performers have been pretty consistently crappy, and yet they have a place in the pie and continue to reap exactly the same benefits as those who excel. You'd think at some point consumers would demand fresher, better ingredients (sadly, they keep looking for them in the same old places -- tired old ingredients from someone else's pie).