(06-10-2017 01:21 PM)utxctrack Wrote:  The amount of crying over start times is nearly comical. Either go to the game or don't. Pretty simple.

When you lay out almost $900 for 2 home season tickets it would make sense that I would like to use them instead of being at work.....

PRETTY SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!

Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

(06-11-2017 06:40 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

"Grow up"? No. Saturdays are the only day for college football.

(06-11-2017 06:40 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

And if games are played on traditional off-work/family days so that people can attend, you can still dial up the game on Tuesday. See how your logic works against you? Without a single "grow up" in the message.

I think you're missing the consumer's role in our free market system. Not to mention UT's best interest. They should welcome feedback instead of being left to guess reasons behind losses.

ESPN might mean money "now," but they'll not put a single tithe in the bucket in the future, particularly the academic bucket. The University is losing fans and loyalty and that's a problem that might put money into the ADs' pockets and athletic budget now but costs the University in the long run. Student and alumni loyalty is what is required to support even a public university economically and in that, PARTICIPATION (meaning, being able to attend) athletic events plays a role. Not to mention athletics' role in humanity, togetherness, keeping people from isolating themselves from the needs of the whole. These needs are not fed by tv as they are in the community showed at a stadium.

If academic and athletics do not go hand-in-hand, then it's athletics that needs to go. It's a "University," not a sports club.

The ADs' number one priority should be LIVE butts in the seats.

"grow up?" Seriously?

(06-11-2017 06:40 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

I'm an old man and can go to games whenever They're scheduled. It's those who aren't old that suffer- kids who are the fans (and potential students) of the future who can't attend Tuesday night games so they grow up on OSU and MSU because ALL their games are televised and on Saturday. UT students with night classes who automatically paid for football but can't attend games. Women who have to go to work early. We old men are just fine, thanks. But to pretend start times shouldn't matter to those others mentioned is fatuous.

The grow up is meaning to get with the times. Adapt. Not that anyone is acting like a child.

Brand recognition is the #1 goal for marketing ANY business. If you don't understand that, and why the butts jn the seats hasn't suffered anyway, then you don't understand $ abd cents.

Winning puts people in the stands. Period.

We've had weekday games for 10 years. Explain to me again exactly how that's negatively effected attendance? Look at the averages. How about enrollment. Oh yeah. That's up too. How about donations? Oh yeah. That's up too.

Your argument has zero factual basis based on the facts. Having Saturday only games "just because that's what we always did" is a terrible argument.

Here's what really dictates crowd size: are we winning? Who's the opponent? What's the weather like?"

(06-11-2017 06:40 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

Telling me to "grow up" because I want to use the tickets I paid for????
WHAT??????
I also attend Rocket away games. All that I can. The away games I usually miss are the ones during the mid week because I'm a grown up and have a job I'm required to do.

(06-11-2017 10:31 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  The grow up is meaning to get with the times. Adapt. Not that anyone is acting like a child.

Brand recognition is the #1 goal for marketing ANY business. If you don't understand that, and why the butts jn the seats hasn't suffered anyway, then you don't understand $ abd cents.

So to "get with the times", you better have $$$$? The times of the loyal, die-hard fan and what they think is now irrelevant. What happens when the money from ESPN runs out? Things are real rosie there right now. I think they've spread themselves a little bit too thin.

I'll say it again: Saturdays are for college football!!!!

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(06-11-2017 07:10 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2017 06:40 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  Then don't buy the tickets? That also seems pretty simple to me? Claiming Saturday's are the only day designated for college football is ridiculous. Grow up. Things change. We've been playing on all nights now for a decade and outside the old men, people actually love it. I love hat I can watch college football on a Tuesday night.

And if games are played on traditional off-work/family days so that people can attend, you can still dial up the game on Tuesday. See how your logic works against you? Without a single "grow up" in the message.

I think you're missing the consumer's role in our free market system. Not to mention UT's best interest. They should welcome feedback instead of being left to guess reasons behind losses.

ESPN might mean money "now," but they'll not put a single tithe in the bucket in the future, particularly the academic bucket. The University is losing fans and loyalty and that's a problem that might put money into the ADs' pockets and athletic budget now but costs the University in the long run. Student and alumni loyalty is what is required to support even a public university economically and in that, PARTICIPATION (meaning, being able to attend) athletic events plays a role. Not to mention athletics' role in humanity, togetherness, keeping people from isolating themselves from the needs of the whole. These needs are not fed by tv as they are in the community showed at a stadium.

If academic and athletics do not go hand-in-hand, then it's athletics that needs to go. It's a "University," not a sports club.

The ADs' number one priority should be LIVE butts in the seats.

"grow up?" Seriously?

As much as I hate the weeknight games like the rest of them, butts in seats is not the number one priority.

Even if its not much, the amount of publicity the university gets with weeknight games is ten-fold what they got ten years ago. Also, when casual fans know of MACTION, they think of Toledo or NIU. Luckily, the Rockets have produced on some of these nights to help garner a national image.

Living in Chicago full of BIG alum, there are a ton now that watch the MACtion games and are well aware of Toledo, NIU, WMU, etc.

Also, the publicity brings in dollars, as well as applications for enrollment. It all goes hand in hand. Unfortunately, times for football games gets scattered around against fan wishes.

On the American Conference forums, Wichita State fans were asked about their thoughts on FBS football since they're joining that league in basketball (huge addition for that league, wish we had a chance to join it). One of their fans said he enjoys watching midweek MACtion as well as the Big 12. MACtion and Big 12 in the same sentence from a casual non biased fan.

(06-12-2017 12:39 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  On the American Conference forums, Wichita State fans were asked about their thoughts on FBS football since they're joining that league in basketball (huge addition for that league, wish we had a chance to join it). One of their fans said he enjoys watching midweek MACtion as well as the Big 12. MACtion and Big 12 in the same sentence from a casual non biased fan.

Me Too! I really enjoy re-watching those weekend games.

(06-12-2017 09:12 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Even if its not much, the amount of publicity the university gets with weeknight games is ten-fold what they got ten years ago.

How many of those athletic donations you figure are coming from people that never ATTENDED games?

"ten-fold" You have any actual numbers on that and evidence, actual or circumstantial that it would be significantly different if those games were streamed on a weekend? Or that they will lead to donations to keep programs running?

The point of Internet, the game can be watched at anytime, not necessarily real-time. Someone who cannot attend that late a week-day game because of the usual family commitments, would nearly have the same issue watching it on tv. A game played at a time that maximizes butts in the seats can still be stream or stored and streamed but it's butts in the seats that donates.

Games that end near weekday mid-night, no one without numbers is going to convince that it builds fan-base nor brings in donations now, let alone 20 years down the line. A study might be interesting for those that do not seem to believe university athletic events are about people and community (UNIVERSITY) as opposed to ones and zeros and entertainment or lol, "winning."

For what it's worth, I was just asking about the Miami game, because I can't fly down until Saturday. If it was a noon start, it may be cutting it close. I didn't want to book a flight then cancel. That's all!

(06-12-2017 02:46 PM)BigBigRocketFan Wrote:  For what it's worth, I was just asking about the Miami game, because I can't fly down until Saturday. If it was a noon start, it may be cutting it close. I didn't want to book a flight then cancel. That's all!

That's what I guessed.

(06-12-2017 02:04 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 09:12 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Even if its not much, the amount of publicity the university gets with weeknight games is ten-fold what they got ten years ago.

How many of those athletic donations you figure are coming from people that never ATTENDED games?

"ten-fold" You have any actual numbers on that and evidence, actual or circumstantial that it would be significantly different if those games were streamed on a weekend? Or that they will lead to donations to keep programs running?

The point of Internet, the game can be watched at anytime, not necessarily real-time. Someone who cannot attend that late a week-day game because of the usual family commitments, would nearly have the same issue watching it on tv. A game played at a time that maximizes butts in the seats can still be stream or stored and streamed but it's butts in the seats that donates.

Games that end near weekday mid-night, no one without numbers is going to convince that it builds fan-base nor brings in donations now, let alone 20 years down the line. A study might be interesting for those that do not seem to believe university athletic events are about people and community (UNIVERSITY) as opposed to ones and zeros and entertainment or lol, "winning."

Your last sentence sums up what Saturday football means to me. UT is about the people, the atmosphere, tailgating, and cheering our Rockets on to victory. Sitting in the Glass Bowl on a November weeknight at midnight or later doesn't get it. Morning comes early and we have responsibilities.
Although we still donate to athletics we only purchase football tickets one game at a time (we had season tickets for a long time). We still have season basketball tickets (men and women).
Our donations now go to academic areas of the university.

(06-12-2017 03:31 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:04 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 09:12 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Even if its not much, the amount of publicity the university gets with weeknight games is ten-fold what they got ten years ago.

How many of those athletic donations you figure are coming from people that never ATTENDED games?...

A study might be interesting for those that do not seem to believe university athletic events are about people and community (UNIVERSITY) as opposed to ones and zeros and entertainment or lol, "winning."

Your last sentence sums up what Saturday football means to me. UT is about the people, the atmosphere, tailgating, and cheering our Rockets on to victory. Sitting in the Glass Bowl on a November weeknight at midnight or later doesn't get it. Morning comes early and we have responsibilities.
Although we still donate to athletics we only purchase football tickets one game at a time (we had season tickets for a long time). We still have season basketball tickets (men and women).
Our donations now go to academic areas of the university.

I'm going off "gut," don't think I've seen a study targeting specifically and exclusively those who donate, particularly large donations.

If asked why they directed money UT's academic OR athletic way (for non-athletes) I would guess top reasons would be, they found the Profs dedicated and caring in their teaching or they felt community. Community would come from two areas mostly, dorms and dorm activities and major events: athletics being one of those.

Regardless our apparently young friend (who presumes all others "old"), it is about butts in the seats.


It's that being together and sharing experiences than builds fans. All the others, those for whom "winning" is the key, or whose ONLY connection is watching from home on the Internet, they're nowhere to be found in times of needs.

Still, to show I see both sides, that love and community can spring from the internet, I've not ruled out a Russian bride.

(06-12-2017 04:06 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 03:31 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:04 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 09:12 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Even if its not much, the amount of publicity the university gets with weeknight games is ten-fold what they got ten years ago.

How many of those athletic donations you figure are coming from people that never ATTENDED games?...

A study might be interesting for those that do not seem to believe university athletic events are about people and community (UNIVERSITY) as opposed to ones and zeros and entertainment or lol, "winning."

Your last sentence sums up what Saturday football means to me. UT is about the people, the atmosphere, tailgating, and cheering our Rockets on to victory. Sitting in the Glass Bowl on a November weeknight at midnight or later doesn't get it. Morning comes early and we have responsibilities.
Although we still donate to athletics we only purchase football tickets one game at a time (we had season tickets for a long time). We still have season basketball tickets (men and women).
Our donations now go to academic areas of the university.

I'm going off "gut," don't think I've seen a study targeting specifically and exclusively those who donate, particularly large donations.

If asked why they directed money UT's academic OR athletic way (for non-athletes) I would guess top reasons would be, they found the Profs dedicated and caring in their teaching or they felt community. Community would come from two areas mostly, dorms and dorm activities and major events: athletics being one of those.

Regardless our apparently young friend (who presumes all others "old"), it is about butts in the seats.


It's that being together and sharing experiences than builds fans. All the others, those for whom "winning" is the key, or whose ONLY connection is watching from home on the Internet, they're nowhere to be found in times of needs.

Still, to show I see both sides, that love and community can spring from the internet, I've not ruled out a Russian bride.

He ran track at UT so he ain't young.

No. Not young. Unfortunately.

If you're actually giving enough money to the Foundation then your tickets are free so you're not losing any money. You only need to donate $1000 to get free football and basketball tickets. That's not a lot.

Arguing with someone that buys the fan package or even season tickets about game times is a waste of time. Clearly you're not really donating very much if your tickets aren't free.

None of hear times are outrageous. If you're upset because you can't tailgate then you don't get it.

As far as winning and butts in the seat: welcome to an exclusive group of schools called the G5. Win and they come. Lose and they don't. How do you win? Recruit. How do you recruit a wide net? Get on TV. Convincing a kid from Florida to come to Toledo to play on Saturdays with no TV exposure just so old man river doesn't have to miss Meatloaf Wednesay is ridiculous.

(06-13-2017 09:46 AM)utxctrack Wrote:  No. Not young. Unfortunately.

If you're actually giving enough money to the Foundation then your tickets are free so you're not losing any money. You only need to donate $1000 to get free football and basketball tickets. That's not a lot.

Arguing with someone that buys the fan package or even season tickets about game times is a waste of time. Clearly you're not really donating very much if your tickets aren't free.

None of hear times are outrageous. If you're upset because you can't tailgate then you don't get it.

As far as winning and butts in the seat: welcome to an exclusive group of schools called the G5. Win and they come. Lose and they don't. How do you win? Recruit. How do you recruit a wide net? Get on TV. Convincing a kid from Florida to come to Toledo to play on Saturdays with no TV exposure just so old man river doesn't have to miss Meatloaf Wednesay is ridiculous.

Wow.