(06-08-2017 02:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:32 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  D-Lot is the best value for sure because of proximity & room to spread out. P-Lot is a great value as well, but for different reasons...

Both lots are probably priced too low, but I won't complain.

It wouldn't shock me if they created a new giving level at say 800 for P lot, and moved D Lot to the Silver/$575 level very soon. Probably depends on how the team performs this year and what the demand becomes for JMU's football product. The P-Lot demand exceeds the supply; It's almost a lock to go up next year. Might as well BOOK IT

It's probably too soon to raise D-Lot money, but raise P lot, then when D Lot gets popular, assign the spaces and sell them at an intermediate giving level between P Lot and C4.

Yep. As popular as it is, I'm surprised P-Lot isn't a bit more expensive already. Though maybe they're just not messing with a good thing.

(06-08-2017 02:09 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:32 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  D-Lot is the best value for sure because of proximity & room to spread out. P-Lot is a great value as well, but for different reasons...

Both lots are probably priced too low, but I won't complain.

It wouldn't shock me if they created a new giving level at say 800 for P lot, and moved D Lot to the Silver/$575 level very soon. Probably depends on how the team performs this year and what the demand becomes for JMU's football product. The P-Lot demand exceeds the supply; It's almost a lock to go up next year. Might as well BOOK IT

It's probably too soon to raise D-Lot money, but raise P lot, then when D Lot gets popular, assign the spaces and sell them at an intermediate giving level between P Lot and C4.

Yep. As popular as it is, I'm surprised P-Lot isn't a bit more expensive already. Though maybe they're just not messing with a good thing.

so what's your problem?????????

(06-08-2017 02:09 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:32 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  D-Lot is the best value for sure because of proximity & room to spread out. P-Lot is a great value as well, but for different reasons...

Both lots are probably priced too low, but I won't complain.

It wouldn't shock me if they created a new giving level at say 800 for P lot, and moved D Lot to the Silver/$575 level very soon. Probably depends on how the team performs this year and what the demand becomes for JMU's football product. The P-Lot demand exceeds the supply; It's almost a lock to go up next year. Might as well BOOK IT

It's probably too soon to raise D-Lot money, but raise P lot, then when D Lot gets popular, assign the spaces and sell them at an intermediate giving level between P Lot and C4.

Yep. As popular as it is, I'm surprised P-Lot isn't a bit more expensive already. Though maybe they're just not messing with a good thing.

As a P Lot person I wonder the same thing myself. I'm happy with the # that it is to get into the lot, but have wondered why it hasn't been raised up

(06-08-2017 02:09 PM)91Alum Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 02:00 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:32 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  D-Lot is the best value for sure because of proximity & room to spread out. P-Lot is a great value as well, but for different reasons...

Both lots are probably priced too low, but I won't complain.

It wouldn't shock me if they created a new giving level at say 800 for P lot, and moved D Lot to the Silver/$575 level very soon. Probably depends on how the team performs this year and what the demand becomes for JMU's football product. The P-Lot demand exceeds the supply; It's almost a lock to go up next year. Might as well BOOK IT

It's probably too soon to raise D-Lot money, but raise P lot, then when D Lot gets popular, assign the spaces and sell them at an intermediate giving level between P Lot and C4.

Yep. As popular as it is, I'm surprised P-Lot isn't a bit more expensive already. Though maybe they're just not messing with a good thing.

Agree with your points but must add: they need to mess with a bad thing / Hanson Field.
It has been the most empty of all space reserved lots for years. Bring down the Hanson cost to where P is now, relieve the pressure on P Lot demand, and FILL Hanson as well as P next season. The visual of a completely full Hanson, Godwin field and P would be tremendous.

I agree that they really need to start getting realistic with the various football parking lots and their giving levels in both directions. P Lot is underpriced, Hanson is clearly overpriced if it's never full. If D2 is always empty, maybe the Convo is in more demand, etc.

It should be periodically adjusted based on demand for certain areas. They don't really seem to be willing to do that. I guess they're afraid of an uproar?

(06-08-2017 02:41 PM)Potomac Wrote:  I agree that they really need to start getting realistic with the various football parking lots and their giving levels in both directions. P Lot is underpriced, Hanson is clearly overpriced if it's never full. If D2 is always empty, maybe the Convo is in more demand, etc.

It should be periodically adjusted based on demand for certain areas. They don't really seem to be willing to do that. I guess they're afraid of an uproar?

I would assume we'll likely see a change in the pricing with the stadium reseating coming up in the next couple years IIRC.

guaranteed changes with parking lots and levels next year. you can book me on it.

(06-08-2017 03:03 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  guaranteed changes with parking lots and levels next year. you can book me on it.

Last time we booked it.... we were still left waiting....

(06-08-2017 03:05 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:03 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  guaranteed changes with parking lots and levels next year. you can book me on it.

Last time we booked it.... we were still left waiting....

yeah but you can count on Deez Nuts

(06-08-2017 03:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  yeah but you can count on Deez Nuts

Part of the considering of changing the donation levels for the lots going forward is how much additional revenue could be generated. Take a look at Hanson, G, and P for example for this year.

A full Hanson lot (78 spaces) would generate $136k in donations (assuming just the minimum $1,750 donation per spot). Right now it shows only 38 spots filled for the fall, so a revenue of at least $67k.

A full G-Lot (130 spaces) would generate $150k in donations (assuming just the minimum $1,150 donation per spot) Right now it shows 109 spots filled for the fall, so a revenue of at least $125k.

A full P-Lot (245 spaces) would generate $140k in donations (assuming just the miniumum $575 donation per spot.) With all spots filled for the fall, it is producing a revenue of at least $140k.

If P-Lot’s donation level was raised just $150 (to $725) it would generate an additional $37k a year. A $250 increase (to $825) would generate an additional $61k. If Hanson was dropped by $250 down to $1,500 at most the lost revenue would be $12k.

In the end, its all about the numbers and revenue for the program. But given current demand and how a back-to-back national championship would increase attendance, I can't see how price restructuring doesn't occur next year off-season.

(06-08-2017 03:10 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 03:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  yeah but you can count on Deez Nuts

(06-08-2017 03:35 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  Part of the considering of changing the donation levels for the lots going forward is how much additional revenue could be generated. Take a look at Hanson, G, and P for example for this year.

A full Hanson lot (78 spaces) would generate $136k in donations (assuming just the minimum $1,750 donation per spot). Right now it shows only 38 spots filled for the fall, so a revenue of at least $67k.

A full G-Lot (130 spaces) would generate $150k in donations (assuming just the minimum $1,150 donation per spot) Right now it shows 109 spots filled for the fall, so a revenue of at least $125k.

A full P-Lot (245 spaces) would generate $140k in donations (assuming just the miniumum $575 donation per spot.) With all spots filled for the fall, it is producing a revenue of at least $140k.

If P-Lot’s donation level was raised just $150 (to $725) it would generate an additional $37k a year. A $250 increase (to $825) would generate an additional $61k. If Hanson was dropped by $250 down to $1,500 at most the lost revenue would be $12k.

In the end, its all about the numbers and revenue for the program. But given current demand and how a back-to-back national championship would increase attendance, I can't see how price restructuring doesn't occur next year off-season.

I simply don't see any difference in value at all of Hanson vs P lot and seems to me they should be equal. Some prefer being in the grass while some prefer being on pavement, a more open atmosphere and "kid friendly" in Hanson, a bit more of a "adults only" atmosphere in P lot. This is my perception only. I think the price should be the same, up with P Lot and down a for Hanson.

Using your numbers, they would need to make all 323 spaces at a level of $855 to reach maximum cash collected should all spaces be filled. However, they are currently collecting cash of $207K for the two and not selling all that is available. Could they increase receipts from those two lots with a price of $750. It is a given the current Hanson folk would gladly stay in Hanson if they gave less than half what they currently give. Will P Lot still fill up with this increase? More than likely, yes. At $750 minimum they would collect no less than $212K an increase of only $5K with no increase of donors. However, I believe you would see Hanson instantly become more popular (probably fill up) with no loss in P lot sales resulting in $242K for the two lots or an increase of $35K.

Maybe it's not good "mojo" to go down that much in Hanson. In addition, though P Lot folk would pay $750, they might become disgruntled with a $175 increase. Nevertheless, I agree that we should be selling out all available spaces in Godwin Field, G Lot, P Lot, and Hanson. We do have to be a little careful because there will be bad weather games and putting all the G Field and Hanson folk on pavement is already a daunting task. However, there's nothing better than a maxed out atmosphere close to the stadium prior to kickoff during the Fall in the Valley.

Many P-Lot people are already donating at the next level and above. The realized revenue increase would not be as high as you all have stated.

(06-08-2017 06:58 PM)JmuDukes4Life Wrote:  Many P-Lot people are already donating at the next level and above. The realized revenue increase would not be as high as you all have stated.

What you state is correct and I agree many are donating at a higher level than the minimum, some at a much higher level. We don't have all the information to make such a decision, but what we are doing is presenting ideas and putting some thought together with the information we do have. That's what these crazy forums are all about.

A nice set of hooters plus about a $100K donation might get some inside information that is really useful and make one stop thinking so much. I'm a dude and I'm not going to be writing that kind of check to JMU; therefore, I'll stick to making "off the wall" assumptions and hoping some of you are high rollers who'll share your knowledge.

What's the deal with the Hillside lot? Seemed like no atmosphere over there and in the Baseball lot the last time I rolled through there. Back in the mid 2000's after our first title that lot was the bomb before they turned it into a donor lot. Epic tailgate prior to the painful loss to Montana in 2008.

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)RVAdukes Wrote:  What's the deal with the Hillside lot? Seemed like no atmosphere over there and in the Baseball lot the last time I rolled through there. Back in the mid 2000's after our first title that lot was the bomb before they turned it into a donor lot. Epic tailgate prior to the painful loss to Montana in 2008.

I cannot speak for any other game in recent years, but I was in R1 (Baseball Lot) for Game Day in 2015 and it was rocking. That is the only time since that Montana game you speak of that I have been there. You are correct, that cold Montana game R1 was a great place. I'm pretty sure R1 is full of single game ticket sales where it can be difficult to develop relationships with other fans.

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)RVAdukes Wrote:  What's the deal with the Hillside lot? Seemed like no atmosphere over there and in the Baseball lot the last time I rolled through there. Back in the mid 2000's after our first title that lot was the bomb before they turned it into a donor lot. Epic tailgate prior to the painful loss to Montana in 2008.

That used to be a student tailgating area. They turned it into a donor lot and the atmosphere immediately went with it. That was nearly a decade ago at this point.
The students are now in upper convo.

(06-09-2017 05:58 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:50 PM)RVAdukes Wrote:  What's the deal with the Hillside lot? Seemed like no atmosphere over there and in the Baseball lot the last time I rolled through there. Back in the mid 2000's after our first title that lot was the bomb before they turned it into a donor lot. Epic tailgate prior to the painful loss to Montana in 2008.

That used to be a student tailgating area. They turned it into a donor lot and the atmosphere immediately went with it. That was nearly a decade ago at this point.
The students are now in upper convo.

What's the atmosphere like up there on game days? Never been over to that side of 81 to check out the scene. I should probably go walk around over there one time this year.

(06-09-2017 06:24 AM)91Alum Wrote:  What's the atmosphere like up there on game days? Never been over to that side of 81 to check out the scene. I should probably go walk around over there one time this year.

I don't walk through it but by the time we head to the game from convo, you can usually see a stream of rowdy students coming down the stairs. As we win more and it's a beautiful day, they tend to show up because they know it's a party.