(05-28-2017 03:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We've gone over this before, but you're going the wrong direction. Massive conferences that are filled w/ awkward, forced rivalries and rigid schedules aren't a good idea. Small, highly aligned conferences w/ flexible schedules are much better. Beyond that, having multiple conference champions and championship races is better than fewer. The admin savings of a mega conference are minimal. The revenue loss is massive.

Actually, both you and GTS are right. What really needs to happen is that the NCAA needs to take all the tv contracts and the playoffs, and the bowls, and stagger the revenue and the tv coverage in such a way that the big conferences like the SEC, the Big Ten, etc. aren't giving up huge portions of their pie to the smaller conferences like the MAC and the Sunbelt but there would be no need for each conference to try outdo each other in tv, absorb/takeover other conferences, etc. That way, conferences aren't getting bigger, but they aren't getting smaller either. They're basically staying the same. The NCAA also needs to take a hard look at Notre Dame and BYU and see if they're doing right by their conferences for other sports, in particular Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC. I think if I were the NCAA, I would instruct Notre Dame to fork over a percentage of the $$'s that they get from the NBC contract for their arrangement with the ACC concerning their Olympic sports in addition to everything they're giving the ACC now. I believe that would be very fair, and ND would not have to give up its independence at all, which is all they really want anyway. The CFP, the bowls, and the NCAA need all get together, and figure out how they can create a football version of the March Madness Tournament and the NIT, and do it in such a way that no one gets shafted (the G5 & the P5!!), and everything is fair. This will probably involve handing out byes to the current P5 conference champs while the G5 conference champs and the "wildcard" P5 conference teams would have to start the playoffs earlier.

(05-29-2017 01:39 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Actually, both you and GTS are right. What really needs to happen is that the NCAA needs to take all the tv contracts and the playoffs, and the bowls, and stagger the revenue and the tv coverage in such a way that the big conferences like the SEC, the Big Ten, etc. aren't giving up huge portions of their pie to the smaller conferences like the MAC and the Sunbelt but there would be no need for each conference to try outdo each other in tv, absorb/takeover other conferences, etc. That way, conferences aren't getting bigger, but they aren't getting smaller either. They're basically staying the same. The NCAA also needs to take a hard look at Notre Dame and BYU and see if they're doing right by their conferences for other sports, in particular Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC. I think if I were the NCAA, I would instruct Notre Dame to fork over a percentage of the $$'s that they get from the NBC contract for their arrangement with the ACC concerning their Olympic sports in addition to everything they're giving the ACC now. I believe that would be very fair, and ND would not have to give up its independence at all, which is all they really want anyway. The CFP, the bowls, and the NCAA need all get together, and figure out how they can create a football version of the March Madness Tournament and the NIT, and do it in such a way that no one gets shafted (the G5 & the P5!!), and everything is fair. This will probably involve handing out byes to the current P5 conference champs while the G5 conference champs and the "wildcard" P5 conference teams would have to start the playoffs earlier.

In my mind one of the major upsides of Megaconferenes is a consolidation of power large enough to ditch the NCAA itself. The NCAA is a HUGE part of the problem with collegiate athletics. Partly because too much voting power is given to programs without revenue sports, but mostly because the NCAA is morally bankrupt, greedy, politically radically far left, hypocritical, and it applies the rules differently to different programs depending on their importance to the sport.

If ESPN decides it.
"ESPN told us what to do".---The greatest oops ever.

(05-29-2017 04:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:39 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Actually, both you and GTS are right. What really needs to happen is that the NCAA needs to take all the tv contracts and the playoffs, and the bowls, and stagger the revenue and the tv coverage in such a way that the big conferences like the SEC, the Big Ten, etc. aren't giving up huge portions of their pie to the smaller conferences like the MAC and the Sunbelt but there would be no need for each conference to try outdo each other in tv, absorb/takeover other conferences, etc. That way, conferences aren't getting bigger, but they aren't getting smaller either. They're basically staying the same. The NCAA also needs to take a hard look at Notre Dame and BYU and see if they're doing right by their conferences for other sports, in particular Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC. I think if I were the NCAA, I would instruct Notre Dame to fork over a percentage of the $$'s that they get from the NBC contract for their arrangement with the ACC concerning their Olympic sports in addition to everything they're giving the ACC now. I believe that would be very fair, and ND would not have to give up its independence at all, which is all they really want anyway. The CFP, the bowls, and the NCAA need all get together, and figure out how they can create a football version of the March Madness Tournament and the NIT, and do it in such a way that no one gets shafted (the G5 & the P5!!), and everything is fair. This will probably involve handing out byes to the current P5 conference champs while the G5 conference champs and the "wildcard" P5 conference teams would have to start the playoffs earlier.

In my mind one of the major upsides of Megaconferenes is a consolidation of power large enough to ditch ESPN itself. ESPN is a HUGE part of the problem with collegiate athletics. Partly because too much voting power is given to programs without revenue sports, but mostly because ESPN is a morally bankrupt, greedy, politically radically far left, hypocritical, and it applies the rules differently to different programs depending on their importance to the sport.

Great quote, you accidentally have "NCAA" in place of ESPN. FIFY.

(05-29-2017 06:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 04:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:39 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Actually, both you and GTS are right. What really needs to happen is that the NCAA needs to take all the tv contracts and the playoffs, and the bowls, and stagger the revenue and the tv coverage in such a way that the big conferences like the SEC, the Big Ten, etc. aren't giving up huge portions of their pie to the smaller conferences like the MAC and the Sunbelt but there would be no need for each conference to try outdo each other in tv, absorb/takeover other conferences, etc. That way, conferences aren't getting bigger, but they aren't getting smaller either. They're basically staying the same. The NCAA also needs to take a hard look at Notre Dame and BYU and see if they're doing right by their conferences for other sports, in particular Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC. I think if I were the NCAA, I would instruct Notre Dame to fork over a percentage of the $$'s that they get from the NBC contract for their arrangement with the ACC concerning their Olympic sports in addition to everything they're giving the ACC now. I believe that would be very fair, and ND would not have to give up its independence at all, which is all they really want anyway. The CFP, the bowls, and the NCAA need all get together, and figure out how they can create a football version of the March Madness Tournament and the NIT, and do it in such a way that no one gets shafted (the G5 & the P5!!), and everything is fair. This will probably involve handing out byes to the current P5 conference champs while the G5 conference champs and the "wildcard" P5 conference teams would have to start the playoffs earlier.

In my mind one of the major upsides of Megaconferenes is a consolidation of power large enough to ditch ESPN itself. ESPN is a HUGE part of the problem with collegiate athletics. Partly because too much voting power is given to programs without revenue sports, but mostly because ESPN is a morally bankrupt, greedy, politically radically far left, hypocritical, and it applies the rules differently to different programs depending on their importance to the sport.

Great quote, you accidentally have "NCAA" in place of ESPN. FIFY.

I don't see the difference. One is a quasi governmental bureaucracy that has endowed close to a billion dollars worth of revenue predominantly gleaned from the NCAA tournaments and now exists to service itself and the other is part of a conglomerate run by a company whose tentacles embrace a wide array of products and as a corporate entity is sworn to serve their bottom line. Neither one of them has an inherent love of sports as they both would rather spin them and politicize them than enjoy them, and both are at best parasitic.

(05-28-2017 05:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-28-2017 03:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We've gone over this before, but you're going the wrong direction. Massive conferences that are filled w/ awkward, forced rivalries and rigid schedules aren't a good idea. Small, highly aligned conferences w/ flexible schedules are much better. Beyond that, having multiple conference champions and championship races is better than fewer. The admin savings of a mega conference are minimal. The revenue loss is massive.

Five years ago (and it just doesn't seem that long ago to an old fart like me) when all the talk was about the imminent implosion of the Big 12, somebody at ESPN apparently wasn't all that anxious to make that happen. They threw them a lifeline. So, what has changed so much between then and now that would make ESPN want to kill them off? Why does the Mouse want a P4 all of a sudden? Or a P3?

Or is it just internet posters who want it?

Ken D, I don't know how many posters want a P4, but many, myself included, believe that it will come to pass. Here's what I think "the Mouse" wants. ESPN (and FSN) want media rights for a collection of football programs that they can use to sell ad spots to large companies who want to reach the Saturday-in-the-Fall TV viewers. They want to acquire those rights at as low a cost as possible. That's why they disuaded the Big 12 from adding two schools last year. They already own the media rights to those candidate schools for a fraction of the Big 12 rate.
When the Big 12 reaches the end of their current rights deal, we will find that the premier programs will be given huge financial incentive to leave their bretheren behind. The remaining schools may not be regarded as a necessary part of the ESPN/FSN advertising footprint. If you have Texas and Texas A&M, why do you need to pay P5/4 money to Baylor, TCU, ot Tech? If you have Iowa, do you also pay big (B1G ) bucks for Iowa State? Without Texas and Oklahoma, the conference does not have compelling demographics, nor "star power." The Big 12 may still exist, but I doubt that any of the networks will want to pay P5/4 money for those media rights.
I suspect that ESPN groans every time they send payment to the ACC for four programs in North Carolina. Other conferences also have redundant or weak football programs, but the Big 12 is the conference that has the most expendable content. You don't need to defend the likes of Iowa State, OK State, etc. Everyone admires what they have achieved, but as a TV product, they fall short.
The P4 could possibly have fewer than 60 schools in the fallout. The networks would be pleased with themselves.

that smacks of monopoly to me though. However, the Mouse can just shove wads of $$'s the federal government's way, and there would be very few that would not accept the Mouse's reason$. (Thankfully, our President would be one of the few). Actually, the other schools in the Big 12 not wanted by the Mouse or Fox do have another option, and it is for that reason that the Mouse is against UConn joining the ACC or Big Ten. Kansas State, Iowa State, etc. can haul the Mouse into court, and get a hefty payday if the Mouse isn't careful.

(05-28-2017 04:07 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  A hypothetical based on the first two posts in the thread:

Pod 1: UNC, NCST, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Miami
Pod 2: GT, U[sic]GA, Auburn, Vandy, FSU, UF
Pod 3: UofL, UK, TN, UVA, VT, Mizzou
Pod 4: TAMU, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Alabama

That actually came out far more balanced than I thought it would. Mizzou still sticks out terribly (and I have my political objections with them), but it isn't easy to punt them for a more valuable replacement. You'd want another team somewhere near but south of the Ohio River. And there just isn't anybody available where you'd go "Yea, they'll make more money and sense than Mizzou." Teams that fit the bill are either already lesser product within the footprint (ECU/UCF/Cincinnati) or not easy to make work with divisions (Texas).

It's scary how good a conference like that would in Football, Basketball and Baseball.

I doubt ESPN would pay what a conference like that would be worth but it's fascinating to think about none the less.
CJ

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(05-28-2017 03:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  We've gone over this before, but you're going the wrong direction. Massive conferences that are filled w/ awkward, forced rivalries and rigid schedules aren't a good idea. Small, highly aligned conferences w/ flexible schedules are much better. Beyond that, having multiple conference champions and championship races is better than fewer. The admin savings of a mega conference are minimal. The revenue loss is massive.

Sounds like the ACC