(04-18-2017 04:03 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  <$3mil

Espn doesnt have to pony up. So they wont.

The alternative of ponying up is losing the content. There is a minimum these schools will take before starting to break up at some point. You think Navy doesn't know their value as an independent.
When the conference ceases to make financial sense, ESPN would have to try to register the same ratings with CUSA talent. There is no way they can try to milk more out of the AAC without having defectors.
Unlike the first negotiations, the conference has a record that will support the sales price.

(04-18-2017 04:03 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  <$3mil

Espn doesnt have to pony up. So they wont.

Given where the league was I honestly think 5 million is the floor on the next round. People keep talking about everyone cutting costs and yet the Big10 just signed the largest deal ever. I think there is a value for quality content that the league offers and Wichita only augments that. Then you add Navy which at the time of the original deal weren't even sure if they would join. Lots of speculation they might bolt. I think the actual metrics gathered will speak loudly this go around. I mean didn't the mac recently get a 800% raise. Come on folks the sky isn't falling for quality content. 5-8 range and I could see it starting at 5 with gradual increases to get it to 8 by the end.

(04-18-2017 04:03 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  <$3mil

Espn doesnt have to pony up. So they wont.

Everyone ponys up

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

(04-18-2017 08:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

So what I took from that entire post is "prove to me we won't get money." You are chasing after a new contract, you are in a conference that is deemed inferior by the establishment, 3/4 of your conference applied to the Big 12 and were all determined to not add monetary value, you are currently getting ~$2.1 million per team, cable companies are losing money, your competing with four other conferences in the same time zones that are considered superior, and I need to prove that you won't somehow get $5 to $10 million? Sheesh.

Like I said, you'll get a nominal increase and be thankful for it.

(04-18-2017 10:15 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

So what I took from that entire post is "prove to me we won't get money." You are chasing after a new contract, you are in a conference that is deemed inferior by the establishment, 3/4 of your conference applied to the Big 12 and were all determined to not add monetary value, you are currently getting ~$2.1 million per team, cable companies are losing money, your competing with four other conferences in the same time zones that are considered superior, and I need to prove that you won't somehow get $5 to $10 million? Sheesh.

Like I said, you'll get a nominal increase and be thankful for it.

Superior/inferior... No conferences are created equal. Just like ice cream, there are all different flavors and the ratings inform the networks what favors are marketable and where.
It's not an all or nothing proposition... at all. You're being obtuse. All the great publicity over the last couple weeks, with the Wichita State addition, speaks well of the AAC.
I get that you feel bad about getting left out of the deal. I agree, it sucks. Perhaps this board is putting you on tilt. Maybe you should go back to the MWC board and talk about how you just lost your virginity.

(04-18-2017 04:22 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:03 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  <$3mil

Espn doesnt have to pony up. So they wont.

The alternative of ponying up is losing the content. There is a minimum these schools will take before starting to break up at some point. You think Navy doesn't know their value as an independent.
When the conference ceases to make financial sense, ESPN would have to try to register the same ratings with CUSA talent. There is no way they can try to milk more out of the AAC without having defectors.
Unlike the first negotiations, the conference has a record that will support the sales price.

Right. losing the content to somebody who is willing to pay barely over that.

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(04-18-2017 08:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

Pesik -
All your points are great ones. fanhood and the other G4 loyalists posting here are willfully ignoring the facts which will be important to any bidder - AAC ratings and viewers are closer to the CFP contract bowl conferences than to the G4. Jot that down.
An AAC vs AAC matchup with no division/conference implications can get two and a half times the viewership of any mwc vs mwc matchup, all year. Add in the Navy inventory, including half of the Army-Navy property?
ESPN, Fox, NBC,CBS need content. Firing the Stephen A Smith and skip Bayless yellers only means they are freeing up money for CONTENT. AAC offers the best value proposition content out there. Look at Big10 contract for indicators of AAC contract ; look at CUSA contract for indicators of mwc contract.

However, Bearcats#1 is right too -- gotta have someone else bidding against ESPN to set that market value

That's where the Navy inventory especiallly with the two year offset has outsized value - Aresco really has the chance to float that portion of the AAC product to prove the market value and drive ESPN to pony up to keep the most valuable available content out there in their pocket.

We shall see.

(04-18-2017 10:36 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:15 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

So what I took from that entire post is "prove to me we won't get money." You are chasing after a new contract, you are in a conference that is deemed inferior by the establishment, 3/4 of your conference applied to the Big 12 and were all determined to not add monetary value, you are currently getting ~$2.1 million per team, cable companies are losing money, your competing with four other conferences in the same time zones that are considered superior, and I need to prove that you won't somehow get $5 to $10 million? Sheesh.

Like I said, you'll get a nominal increase and be thankful for it.

Superior/inferior... No conferences are created equal. Just like ice cream, there are all different flavors and the ratings inform the networks what favors are marketable and where.
It's not an all or nothing proposition... at all. You're being obtuse. All the great publicity over the last couple weeks, with the Wichita State addition, speaks well of the AAC.
I get that you feel bad about getting left out of the deal. I agree, it sucks. Perhaps this board is putting you on tilt. Maybe you should go back to the MWC board and talk about how you just lost your virginity.

Man this is rich.

Fact: WSU first approached the MW but was strangely rebuffed.

Fact: NBC refused to offer more than ESPN did just over 2.5 years ago.

Opinion: SDSU could join the AAC tomorrow with one phone call. However, we would g do it, as the money isn't there. Sorry.

Have fun

(04-18-2017 10:42 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 01:24 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I cannot believe that there are 18 people that think the AAC will get $5-8 million per school. There is nothing to indicate that sort of increase. I hope I am wrong. That would be a good indication for the rest of us.

5-8 mill isn very realistic

some simple points im going to rebutall:

1)yes networks are losing subcribers but they were losing subscriber when they tripled the contract for big 10 to make the biggest contract ever, they were bleeding when they gave the mac 10x the amount they previous had

2)"nothing to indicate that sort of increase"..do you have short term memory only??? do you remember what the AAC was like when the tv deal was signed???? theres this notion that people pretend what we are today was what we signed as, and then says youve done nothing for an increase..

3) nbc wants us and will bid to incease the price between espn

4) 5-8mil per isnt that big...they pay the big10 40 mil per team last year but cant do 60mil for an entire conference???? (thats 5.5mil a team)

fanhood you ask for what indicates a raise? my response is what legitimately indicates not a raise??? all conferences with majority the same members have received raises in every contract in history..the AAC has dramatically increased its value an stability since its inception

and stop trying to put 2 and 2 together without expert reference (losing subscribers must mean less tv money)..google interviews with espns execs, they have said numerous times, that sports arent losing popularity, ohio state isnt losing popularity, college football isnt losing popularity, espn isnt losing popularity etc.. what losing popularity is cable which isnt technically tied to espn, it is just the platform espn is on..they have said as long as espn owns the content, the fans will follow them to whichever new platform comes out, that yes it looks bad now but no transition period is smooth

Pesik -
All your points are great ones. fanhood and the other G4 loyalists posting here are willfully ignoring the facts which will be important to any bidder - AAC ratings and viewers are closer to the CFP contract bowl conferences than to the G4. Jot that down.
An AAC vs AAC matchup with no division/conference implications can get two and a half times the viewership of any mwc vs mwc matchup, all year. Add in the Navy inventory, including half of the Army-Navy property?
ESPN, Fox, NBC,CBS need content. Firing the Stephen A Smith and skip Bayless yellers only means they are freeing up money for CONTENT. AAC offers the best value proposition content out there. Look at Big10 contract for indicators of AAC contract ; look at CUSA contract for indicators of mwc contract.

However, Bearcats#1 is right too -- gotta have someone else bidding against ESPN to set that market value

That's where the Navy inventory especiallly with the two year offset has outsized value - Aresco really has the chance to float that portion of the AAC product to prove the market value and drive ESPN to pony up to keep the most valuable available content out there in their pocket.

We shall see.

What are these Facts everyone keeps speaking of? And where is this evidence of NBCs current interest that leads anyone to believe you will get an offer that triples your revenue?

American will get a pay day.

There is no similarities between MWC and AAC:

a. We have Houston, phi slamma jamma
b. We have Memphis which went to 2008 National Championship game in Basketball
c. USF? really good football school in American East for the upcoming season with Coach Strong.
d. UCF. 2014 Fiesta Bowl Champion. 2 time AAC Champion. 10,000 showed up for NIT Quarterfinal. UCF will have good roster for a possible 2018 NCAA berth.
e. UConn? Cincy? Oh boy, how about Navy?
f. Tulsa, a good basketball tradition and competitive football school.
g. SMU? East Carolina? Great Upside

If you put any of these teams in MWC, all those schools could bolster MWC lineup.

And I recently thought about western wing for American Conference. BYU? Boise? Air Force? And San Diego State College? Great market and NCAA level teams in Basketball.

(04-18-2017 11:01 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  American will get a pay day.

There is no similarities between MWC and AAC:

a. We have Houston, phi slamma jamma
b. We have Memphis which went to 2008 National Championship game in Basketball
c. USF? really good football school in American East for the upcoming season with Coach Strong.
d. UCF. 2014 Fiesta Bowl Champion. 2 time AAC Champion. 10,000 showed up for NIT Quarterfinal. UCF will have good roster for a possible 2018 NCAA berth.
e. UConn? Cincy? Oh boy, how about Navy?
f. Tulsa, a good basketball tradition and competitive football school.
g. SMU? East Carolina? Great Upside

If you put any of these teams in MWC, all those schools could bolster MWC lineup.

And I recently thought about western wing for American Conference. BYU? Boise? Air Force? San Diego State College? Great marker and NCAA level teams in Basketball.

OmG.

(04-18-2017 11:03 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:01 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  American will get a pay day.

There is no similarities between MWC and AAC:

a. We have Houston, phi slamma jamma
b. We have Memphis which went to 2008 National Championship game in Basketball
c. USF? really good football school in American East for the upcoming season with Coach Strong.
d. UCF. 2014 Fiesta Bowl Champion. 2 time AAC Champion. 10,000 showed up for NIT Quarterfinal. UCF will have good roster for a possible 2018 NCAA berth.
e. UConn? Cincy? Oh boy, how about Navy?
f. Tulsa, a good basketball tradition and competitive football school.
g. SMU? East Carolina? Great Upside

If you put any of these teams in MWC, all those schools could bolster MWC lineup.

And I recently thought about western wing for American Conference. BYU? Boise? Air Force? San Diego State College? Great marker and NCAA level teams in Basketball.

OmG.

Can you explain your MWC lineup? I am intereted

(04-18-2017 11:07 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:03 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:01 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  American will get a pay day.

There is no similarities between MWC and AAC:

a. We have Houston, phi slamma jamma
b. We have Memphis which went to 2008 National Championship game in Basketball
c. USF? really good football school in American East for the upcoming season with Coach Strong.
d. UCF. 2014 Fiesta Bowl Champion. 2 time AAC Champion. 10,000 showed up for NIT Quarterfinal. UCF will have good roster for a possible 2018 NCAA berth.
e. UConn? Cincy? Oh boy, how about Navy?
f. Tulsa, a good basketball tradition and competitive football school.
g. SMU? East Carolina? Great Upside

If you put any of these teams in MWC, all those schools could bolster MWC lineup.

And I recently thought about western wing for American Conference. BYU? Boise? Air Force? San Diego State College? Great marker and NCAA level teams in Basketball.

OmG.

Can you explain your MWC lineup? I am intereted

Why try? Nobody can compete with your "everything is awesome....it is fun when you're part of a team" outlook. SDSU does have Don Coryell though, and that is about as relevant as your Phi Slamma Jamma reference.

(04-18-2017 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ESPN>NBC...better exposure.

This.

Most of our good viewership numbers are linked to us being on the Mothership. Same is actually true for many P5 programs. Most times you can clock 750,000 viewers just by being on the ESPN channel.


Our numbers would dry up on FOX or NBC.

See NBE for ratings comparisons.
.

(04-19-2017 12:09 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ESPN>NBC...better exposure.

This.

Most of our good viewership numbers are linked to us being on the Mothership. Same is actually true for many P5 programs. Most times you can clock 750,000 viewers just by being on the ESPN channel.


Our numbers would dry up on FOX or NBC.

See NBE for ratings comparisons.
.

i agree

(04-19-2017 12:09 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ESPN>NBC...better exposure.

This.

Most of our good viewership numbers are linked to us being on the Mothership. Same is actually true for many P5 programs. Most times you can clock 750,000 viewers just by being on the ESPN channel.


Our numbers would dry up on FOX or NBC.

See NBE for ratings comparisons.
.

I think you are likely right. If you sign with either you better get a few games on the OA network. I still think we need to split into 2 tiers. And ESPN needs to be one of them.

Espn is now in a situation that they can't lose the AAC. The conference networks have shifted some content off the espn, espn2, espnu, etc channels. I don't think we will be happy but I'm guessing the number is around $3.5 million to max out at $4 million with guaranteed exposure.

If we can get ncaa credits, the league will make enough to survive.

I don't think any of us has any idea what we will get. I think it will be a sizeable raise. What does that mean? I have no idea.
I think anywhere between 3 and 8 mil per school is possible, with the lower end of that being most likely.

(04-18-2017 11:27 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:07 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:03 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 11:01 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote:  American will get a pay day.

There is no similarities between MWC and AAC:

a. We have Houston, phi slamma jamma
b. We have Memphis which went to 2008 National Championship game in Basketball
c. USF? really good football school in American East for the upcoming season with Coach Strong.
d. UCF. 2014 Fiesta Bowl Champion. 2 time AAC Champion. 10,000 showed up for NIT Quarterfinal. UCF will have good roster for a possible 2018 NCAA berth.
e. UConn? Cincy? Oh boy, how about Navy?
f. Tulsa, a good basketball tradition and competitive football school.
g. SMU? East Carolina? Great Upside

If you put any of these teams in MWC, all those schools could bolster MWC lineup.

And I recently thought about western wing for American Conference. BYU? Boise? Air Force? San Diego State College? Great marker and NCAA level teams in Basketball.

OmG.

Can you explain your MWC lineup? I am intereted

Why try? Nobody can compete with your "everything is awesome....it is fun when you're part of a team" outlook. SDSU does have Don Coryell though, and that is about as relevant as your Phi Slamma Jamma reference.

Fanhood you are the most jealous poster on these boards.The AAC is head and shoulders above the MWC. The MWC is even talking about pulling out of their relationship with ESPN because the money may not be worth the time slots they have been given for tv. AAC has positioned itself for a good payday.

Aresco added Witcha State with the blessing of ESPN. ESPN is going to pay decent money for the AAC. If you don't like it tough.Your bitter rants will not change this reality.