(04-16-2017 12:21 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:03 AM)Cotten Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:53 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Good points. There are many sides to this.

And when something fails, people tend to work out the scenario in their cute little heads that best exonerates them. lol.

It's a big messy drama that doesn't seem as big messy.... now that some of the leading characters are gone.

Let's not forget Keon and Markel left too. Last I looked their last names weren't Lawson

Really, I would like to know why Markel left? I really hadn't heard anything bad about him, surely not? I thought Keon and Markel were good kids? Well! Maybe, Markel left, because he felt alone and everyone was leaving? Maybe someone will sit down and interview these two, to find out why they felt they had to leave?

Crawford left because he wanted a chance to play in the Tournament before his career was over, and he wasn't going to get that chance by staying here.

I guess he saw no chance by staying.

They have almost no chance of making the NCAAs next year. If it was so easy to do Cal would have done it his first year in Memphis. Pearl wouldn't still be trying to break.500 in conference After years of trying.

We MAY have a chance of the NIT if things go well? I think that's the ceiling.

In keeping with the Tubby directive, I'm seeing little chance for the NIT.

(04-16-2017 12:36 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:21 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:03 AM)Cotten Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:53 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  Really, I would like to know why Markel left? I really hadn't heard anything bad about him, surely not? I thought Keon and Markel were good kids? Well! Maybe, Markel left, because he felt alone and everyone was leaving? Maybe someone will sit down and interview these two, to find out why they felt they had to leave?

Crawford left because he wanted a chance to play in the Tournament before his career was over, and he wasn't going to get that chance by staying here.

I guess he saw no chance by staying.

They have almost no chance of making the NCAAs next year. If it was so easy to do Cal would have done it his first year in Memphis. Pearl wouldn't still be trying to break.500 in conference After years of trying.

We MAY have a chance of the NIT if things go well? I think that's the ceiling.

In keeping with the Tubby directive, I'm seeing little chance for the NIT.

Not enough STARS, STARS, boom tap boom boom tap boom tap boom tap STARS, STARS

It would be an improvement over last year.

(04-16-2017 12:47 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:36 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:21 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:03 AM)Cotten Wrote:  Crawford left because he wanted a chance to play in the Tournament before his career was over, and he wasn't going to get that chance by staying here.

I guess he saw no chance by staying.

They have almost no chance of making the NCAAs next year. If it was so easy to do Cal would have done it his first year in Memphis. Pearl wouldn't still be trying to break.500 in conference After years of trying.

We MAY have a chance of the NIT if things go well? I think that's the ceiling.

In keeping with the Tubby directive, I'm seeing little chance for the NIT.

Not enough STARS, STARS, boom tap boom boom tap boom tap boom tap STARS, STARS

It would be an improvement over last year.

Expecting improvement over last year is probably aiming too high.

Last year we were 19-13 overall and finished 5th in our conference--- lost 9 won 9.

(04-16-2017 12:53 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:47 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:36 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:21 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  I guess he saw no chance by staying.

They have almost no chance of making the NCAAs next year. If it was so easy to do Cal would have done it his first year in Memphis. Pearl wouldn't still be trying to break.500 in conference After years of trying.

We MAY have a chance of the NIT if things go well? I think that's the ceiling.

In keeping with the Tubby directive, I'm seeing little chance for the NIT.

Not enough STARS, STARS, boom tap boom boom tap boom tap boom tap STARS, STARS

It would be an improvement over last year.

Expecting improvement over last year is probably aiming too high.

Last year we were 19-13 overall and finished 5th in our conference--- lost 9 won 9.

I think we will be a game or two better. We won't have players laying down for games. We could be worse, too many new players to really predict.

Plus we don't know who the new players will be yet.

The word on the street is the guy can't recruit.

Ironic that the very thing Tubby supposedly can't do must be done or we're 'doomed'. lol.

(04-15-2017 11:21 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

I didn't care for it from the start. Said as much and Easterwood tried to explain it was all on the up and up. IIRC, I told him that when I hear someone say publicly that if they hired him they would get his sons, I call that pimping. Maybe I was in the minority at the time, because everyone was in "star struck" mode with the two son's rankings. But I think there was some opposition to the concept. Outright "up in arms"? Maybe not at the time...

You weren't the only one, but in Dylan's defense, there weren't many of us. Will probably be more next time, I'm thinking.

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

There were several in my personal group of friends/fans that overwhelmingly did not agree with the decision to hire Lawson. It was gross from the beginning. I did hope it would pay off after it was done. Id gladly have taken the success. It did not work though and its a shame for everyone involved. The Lawsons still have to live here and it cant be easy for them around town. I wish they could have been hometown heroes in the end. I hope we dont hire dads in the future. It's not commonly effective.

And yes, I know Bill Self and Kansas has success with it...twice...ever.

We have 3 national basketball writers who are intimately familiar with Memphis - the city and the program. GP is an open advocate of hiring dads if that's what it takes. The other 2 - Wolken and Decourcy are pretty vocal that it's a recipe for failure.

(04-17-2017 10:18 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  We have 3 national basketball writers who are intimately familiar with Memphis - the city and the program. GP is an open advocate of hiring dads if that's what it takes. The other 2 - Wolken and Decourcy are pretty vocal that it's a recipe for failure.

Parrish has a motive for wanting dramatics in the program. He has a local radio show that gets great ratings if we are in peril. He would also get decent ratings if we are having great success. But not as much. He's playing the odds. He wins either way really.

The other 2 could not care less if we are good or bad or if we have distractions. They just write whatever is hot news and they have over 300 teams to scoop from. Also, I believe Dan is mostly a college football writer...

(04-17-2017 09:36 AM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

There were several in my personal group of friends/fans that overwhelmingly did not agree with the decision to hire Lawson. It was gross from the beginning. I did hope it would pay off after it was done. Id gladly have taken the success. It did not work though and its a shame for everyone involved. The Lawsons still have to live here and it cant be easy for them around town. I wish they could have been hometown heroes in the end. I hope we dont hire dads in the future. It's not commonly effective.

And yes, I know Bill Self and Kansas has success with it...twice...ever.

Danny Manning was a program changer worth the risk. He won a national championship.

(04-16-2017 03:51 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:21 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

I didn't care for it from the start. Said as much and Easterwood tried to explain it was all on the up and up. IIRC, I told him that when I hear someone say publicly that if they hired him they would get his sons, I call that pimping. Maybe I was in the minority at the time, because everyone was in "star struck" mode with the two son's rankings. But I think there was some opposition to the concept. Outright "up in arms"? Maybe not at the time...

You weren't the only one, but in Dylan's defense, there weren't many of us. Will probably be more next time, I'm thinking.

At the time, there was little reason to believe Pastner was going to choose anyone with a better upside. He was very stubborn.

Not all Memphis kids are poison. There are some good ones, too.

(04-17-2017 10:53 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Not all Memphis kids are poison. There are some good ones, too.

Agreed. I would bet that's how this staff is approaching it, as well. Lomax and Dandridge are the Memphis targets I'd venture to say.

(04-17-2017 10:56 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:53 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Not all Memphis kids are poison. There are some good ones, too.

Agreed. I would bet that's how this staff is approaching it, as well. Lomax and Dandridge are the Memphis targets I'd venture to say.

One of them came off the bench last night for Golden State and scored 12 points in 12 minutes.

He's also a first cousin of a former Tiger Defensive End and teammate of mine. Pastner wasn't the only one to miss on him though. Pride of Germantown HS and Belmont University.

(04-17-2017 11:03 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:56 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:53 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Not all Memphis kids are poison. There are some good ones, too.

Agreed. I would bet that's how this staff is approaching it, as well. Lomax and Dandridge are the Memphis targets I'd venture to say.

One of them came off the bench last night for Golden State and scored 12 points in 12 minutes.

He's also a first cousin of a former Tiger Defensive End and teammate of mine. Pastner wasn't the only one to miss on him though. Pride of Germantown HS and Belmont University.

him and then that kid who went to Murray St.

(04-15-2017 10:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:55 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  You all are also forgetting about Rycoek* who was given more playing time than he has ever had before and injury prone as any player ever, yet still decided to move on from Memphis for whatever reason.

Chad & Craig seemed to be mutual agreement, from what I hear. Markel - we will see. I hear he was torn and unhappy, but also that he wants to play for a NCAA team. If he goes to UTM, then he was unhappy and decided to bail. If he goes Iowa State, maybe more the NCAA experience.

Keon was a hustler - which Tubby liked. But also chose the Lawsons side of the "fued" and felt like he had to get out.

Plenty of drama and blame to go around the last few years. Both local players, and others.

Am I happy that the team imploded? Of course not. Do I blame Tubby- yes, for some of it. Pastner-yes, for some of it. The Lawsons- yes. Keelon being at the top of that list. Also the kids being enabled by most of the AAU community and those around the talent pool hanging on for whatever they can capitalize on-a LOT of it. Parents used to be the mainstay of discipline now they seem to more on the enabling side of the equation to get as much out of it as they can. Between Keelon and Austin Nichol's dad, I'm just at a loss on their justification for their actions. Putting that kind of pressure on a kid is just wrong. It's sad to me that raising kids seems to be more out of what they co for the parents instead of good human beings.

Markel leaving for a chance to play on a NCAA bound team is very understandable. I have no problem with that at all. He is likely not going to the NBA so this would be something to cherish for him the pinnacle of his college career. Now if by some miracle, his motivation can stay high all year on a team that has better chemistry, he may make a run at an NBA roster. I hope it does.

Also, everyone seems to forget the "incident" that happened on the FL road trip. Even Tubby mentioned it. Numerous players got into a bit trouble and word had it that Keon was the facilitator of the event. The team went down hill from that point as far as attitude and production.

Tubby tries to put a positive spin on the team-I don't blame him. What good does it do to cast aspersions on the players at this point. Chad had NO playing time before UM and was finally getting into basketball game shape when the injury happened. His upside was not that great and I am sure he was as disappointed as anyone that he was not able to contribute more.

(04-16-2017 12:03 AM)Cotten Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:53 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  Sooner or later, the story is really going to come out between the University vs Keelon vs Tubby vs Bowen vs the president. Do we really know what happened, or are we just guessing? What about the financial backers? Was their a decision higher up to get rid of Keelon and put the pressure on Tubby and the Lawson's blamed him?

Good points. There are many sides to this.

And when something fails, people tend to work out the scenario in their cute little heads that best exonerates them. lol.

It's a big messy drama that doesn't seem as big messy.... now that some of the leading characters are gone.

Let's not forget Keon and Markel left too. Last I looked their last names weren't Lawson

Really, I would like to know why Markel left? I really hadn't heard anything bad about him, surely not? I thought Keon and Markel were good kids? Well! Maybe, Markel left, because he felt alone and everyone was leaving? Maybe someone will sit down and interview these two, to find out why they felt they had to leave?

Crawford left because he wanted a chance to play in the Tournament before his career was over, and he wasn't going to get that chance by staying here.

Markel could have been courted to stay but from the time the season ended to the time he announced he was leaving, not one person from the coaching staff contacted him about his decision, next year, the off season, academics, etc.

(04-17-2017 10:41 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:36 AM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

There were several in my personal group of friends/fans that overwhelmingly did not agree with the decision to hire Lawson. It was gross from the beginning. I did hope it would pay off after it was done. Id gladly have taken the success. It did not work though and its a shame for everyone involved. The Lawsons still have to live here and it cant be easy for them around town. I wish they could have been hometown heroes in the end. I hope we dont hire dads in the future. It's not commonly effective.

And yes, I know Bill Self and Kansas has success with it...twice...ever.

Danny Manning was a program changer worth the risk. He won a national championship.

You maybe didnt read my last sentence?

(04-17-2017 02:04 PM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:36 AM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

There were several in my personal group of friends/fans that overwhelmingly did not agree with the decision to hire Lawson. It was gross from the beginning. I did hope it would pay off after it was done. Id gladly have taken the success. It did not work though and its a shame for everyone involved. The Lawsons still have to live here and it cant be easy for them around town. I wish they could have been hometown heroes in the end. I hope we dont hire dads in the future. It's not commonly effective.

And yes, I know Bill Self and Kansas has success with it...twice...ever.

Danny Manning was a program changer worth the risk. He won a national championship.

You maybe didnt read my last sentence?

I saw it and said it was worth the risk for the player involved.

(04-17-2017 02:05 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 02:04 PM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 09:36 AM)rssumme Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 07:03 PM)Dylan Wrote:  Yea, let's give up our one main advantage as a program because we had a bad experience. I didn't see anyone in here up in arms when we signed the Lawson's...

There were several in my personal group of friends/fans that overwhelmingly did not agree with the decision to hire Lawson. It was gross from the beginning. I did hope it would pay off after it was done. Id gladly have taken the success. It did not work though and its a shame for everyone involved. The Lawsons still have to live here and it cant be easy for them around town. I wish they could have been hometown heroes in the end. I hope we dont hire dads in the future. It's not commonly effective.

And yes, I know Bill Self and Kansas has success with it...twice...ever.

Danny Manning was a program changer worth the risk. He won a national championship.

You maybe didnt read my last sentence?

I saw it and said it was worth the risk for the player involved.

I agree. I think manning would be a one and done in today's environment. Players stuck around back then.