http://www.rmusentrymedia.com/sports/3-p...athletics/


3 potential conferences for them to move are Patriot, CAA or Big South. Wonder who would be interested in them if they decide to leave the NEC?

(03-28-2017 10:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.rmusentrymedia.com/sports/3-p...athletics/


3 potential conferences for them to move are Patriot, CAA or Big South. Wonder who would be interested in them if they decide to leave the NEC?

As the article states, the Colonial would be the best move for them. Wonder how long URI fb will stay There? URI fb needs to drop scholarships and then add hockey.

RMU is a fine school academically. But come on --- RMU isn't joining the Patriot League. Yeesh.

The Big South as an option is ridiculous too (outside of a place to park their football, a la Monmouth, while all the rest of the sports join a league like the Horizon League).

So the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center is the title sponsor of another university's arena?

Are they too good for the MAAC or something?

This would elevate Robert Morris from insignificant to minor if it comes to fruition.

Does the colonial want to expand, NJ tech also needs a new home

This is a college student writing an opinion piece about what conferences Robert Morris could conceivably move to. There's not even a hint of smoke to this, it's just a column. The headline for this thread is misleading.

(03-28-2017 10:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.rmusentrymedia.com/sports/3-p...athletics/


3 potential conferences for them to move are Patriot, CAA or Big South. Wonder who would be interested in them if they decide to leave the NEC?

As the article states, the Colonial would be the best move for them. Wonder how long URI fb will stay There? URI fb needs to drop scholarships and then add hockey.

URI was going to join the NEC but the CAA added Albany and Stony Brook football and convinced them to stay. So long as there's a strong New England/Northeast presence, I think Rhode Island FB stays in the CAA.

(03-29-2017 10:22 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  This is a college student writing an opinion piece about what conferences Robert Morris could conceivably move to. There's not even a hint of smoke to this, it's just a column. The headline for this thread is misleading.

Even if it is a student article as an opinion piece, we do not know for sure that they are thinking of moving. With the landscape of big name basketball schools want to move to a better conference? Lets say Robert Morris also are thinking of moving as well. Lets take a look at each conferences and what schools are rumor on moving. This would be minus the P5, MWC, AAC and Ivy League.

American East:
Vermont seems to be at the top of the AEC men's basketball who made many tournament appearances.
Stony Brook have been marked down on wanting to go FBS.
Albany wants to badly be in CAA.
New Hampshire and Maine both could join CAA for all sports.

A10:
Dayton AAC
VCU AAC
Richmond Patriot, Big East
URI CAA
George Mason ???? May move back to CAA.
Davidson Big East or maybe AAC
Fordham could go FBS.
Saint Louis Big East
UMass. AAC

ASUN:
FGCU Sun Belt
North Florida Sun Belt
Kennesaw State Sun Belt
NJ Tech NEC or American East
North Alabama wants Sun Belt

Big South:
Liberty move all sports to an FBS conference.

Big West:
Long Beach State wants MWC

CAA:
College of Charleston AAC or go back to Southern.
Towson C-USA
William and Mary Patriot
James Madison C-USA
Delaware C-USA

C-USA:
UTEP MWC
Old Dominion AAC
Rice MWC
Marshall AAC
UTSA MWC
Southern Mississippi AAC

Horizon:
Valparaiso MVC
UIC MVC
Youngstown State MAC FBS
Milwaukee and Green Bay MAC

Metro:
Siena NEC, AEC or CAA

MAC:
Buffalo AAC
Ohio U. AAC
Bowling Green ??
Western Michigan AAC?
Toledo AAC
Northern Illinois AAC
Central Michigan AAC?

MEAC:
Delaware State's AD talked about going FBS.
Florida A&M almost became Sun Belt member.
Hampton U. OVC or some other.

MVC:
Illinois State MAC
Wichita State AAC
Northern Iowa FBS
Missouri State Sun Belt or C-USA
Indiana State MAC

NEC:
Robert Morris CAA, Patriot or Big South.
Central Conn. State CAA?

OVC:
Belmont Southern Conference
Jacksonville State wants Sun Belt
Tenn. State ???
Eastern Kentucky SBC
Murray State MVC if most of the top names leave MVC? They stay or try to get into Southern Conference.

Patriot:
Navy ACC or AAC as full members to both.
Army AAC as full or ACC

Southern:
East Tennessee State SBC
Chattanooga SBC as a pair with ETSU
Western Carolina wants out.

Southland:
New Orleans to the WAC
Texas A&M-CC to the WAC
SFA FBS
Sam Houston State to FBS
Lamar to FBS
Central Arkansas to SBC?
McNeese State SBC?

SWAC:
Alabama State wants SBC
Jackson State SBC

Summit:
South Dakota to FBS
North Dakota State FBS
IUPUFW to Horizon
South Dakota State FBS
IUPUI Horizon
Western Illinois MVC

Sun Belt Conference:
UTA back to the WAC
Georgia State C-USA
Arkansas State C-USA
South Alabama C-USA
Little Rock WAC
La.-Lafayette to C-USA

Patriot I don't see any would leave.

Big Sky:
I could see some movement if there is a western association for all sports with the MWC as the head of the group.
Montana MWC
Montana State MWC
Idaho MWC
Eastern Washington MWC
Northern Arizona MWC
Portland State MWC
Cal.-Davis, Cal. Poly and Sacramento State MWC

WCC:
Gonzaga MWC
Saint Mary's MWC
BYU MWC

WAC:
New Mexico State FBS conference
Grand Canyon WCC
Seattle WCC
UTRGV FBS conference
Chicago State drops sports
Cal. Baptist WCC
UMKC Summit

Cal.-San Diego strong basketball could slip in somewhere.
Humboldt State Big Sky
Simon Fraser Big Sky
Azusa Pacific WCC/Big Sky football
Alaska Anchorage WAC
Alaska WAC
Western Washington WAC
Central Washington Big Sky
Metro State WAC
Western Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Southern Oregon Big Sky
Cal. State. LA WAC
East Bay State and San Francisco State WAC
Angelo State WAC
West Texas A&M WAC
Eastern New Mexico WAC
San Bernardino State WAC
UTPB WAC
Dixie State Big Sky
Hawaii Hilo and Chaminade WAC
Colorado Mesa Big Sky
Colorado Colorado Springs WAC
Colorado State-Pueblo WAC

Summit could pick up some schools in Colorado, Montana, Dakotas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma.

Southland could pick up schools in Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi.

MVC could pick up schools in Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan and Indiana.

The northeast conferences could get D2 and D3 schools to replace lost schools.

Big South and A-Sun could pick up schools from Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Penn., DC, Maryland, New Jersey, New York.

MEAC could split into two conference and adds schools:
North:Central State Ohio, Kentucky State, Cheyney, Bowie State, Bluefield State and West Virginia State.
South:Winston Salem State, Fayetteville State, Elizabeth City State, Fort Valley State, Albany State, Clark Atlanta, Tuskegee, Lane and Lemoyne-Owen.

(03-28-2017 11:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center is the title sponsor of another university's arena?

UPMC is an absolute monster. It's one of the largest, wealthiest and most prestigious health systems in United States. Their name is on everything in western Pennsylvania and they're starting to take over eastern Pennsylvania as well.

I tell people this all the time. The Oakland section of Pittsburgh, where UPMC started and where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon are located literally right down the street from each other, is the third largest commerce area in the state of Pennsylvania. It's basically two gigantic research institutions and 8-10 hospitals within a 10-12 block radius. That's a pretty big deal and the only other area in the country that I can think of that is even remotely comparable from an education as a financial engine perspective is probably Cambridge in Boston.

This reminds me of what it was like when PNC (Pittsburgh National Corporation) Bank first became a juggernaut. Now, in addition to the ballpark in Pittsburgh, there's PNC Arena in Raleigh, NC as well and countless other venues. This is kind of the same idea as that.

BTW, I happen to live in the shadow of Robert Morris and know it very well. They have come along way over the years and this new arena is definitely going to be a nice small college venue. It will be a massive upgrade over the Sewall Center, which is basically a giant high school gym. However, they belong in the Northeast Conference. They are definitely not Patriot League caliber on any level, most especially academically.

(03-29-2017 05:14 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Are they too good for the MAAC or something?

I, for one, would welcome them. 11 members works, but so would 12. Expanding the footprint is a good thing. The Western New York teams would probably appreciate getting into Pittsburgh, and it's not too hard on the New Jersey teams either.

RMU was on the radar for the Horizon last time around when they chose NKU. If they lose a Chicago school (UIC I'm not sure would jump to the MVC without Wichita, Valpo probably would however), then I can see RMU being tapped to replace them.

(03-29-2017 02:03 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  BTW, I happen to live in the shadow of Robert Morris and know it very well. They have come along way over the years and this new arena is definitely going to be a nice small college venue. It will be a massive upgrade over the Sewall Center, which is basically a giant high school gym. However, they belong in the Northeast Conference. They are definitely not Patriot League caliber on any level, most especially academically.

I don't see RMU joining the Patriot anytime soon either (the Patriot League is Ivy League-light, which kind of puts it on par with the ACC, the Big Ten, & the Pac12 academically IMO), but I don't see RMU staying in the NEC either. Maybe the MAAC or the Horizon would be better fits for RMU or even the CAA.

(03-29-2017 01:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  It's basically two gigantic research institutions and 8-10 hospitals within a 10-12 block radius. That's a pretty big deal and the only other area in the country that I can think of that is even remotely comparable from an education as a financial engine perspective is probably Cambridge in Boston.

UPMC is not owned by the Univ of Pitt. No more than Fairview Health is owned by the University of Minnesota.

Nonetheless, to your point about the U of Pitt and Carnegie being right next to each other, and doing a ton of research. Absolutely true!


The natural comparison, as you noted, is Harvard and MIT.


There are some other examples of two large research universities being somewhat close, but not right next to each other.
UC-Berkeley and UC-San Fran
UCLA and Cal Tech
Columbia and NYU
Georgia Tech and Emory
UNC and Duke
UIC and Chicago
UM-Maryland and Johns Hopkins
CU-Boulder and CU-Denver

Probably missing some.

(03-29-2017 08:01 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 01:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  It's basically two gigantic research institutions and 8-10 hospitals within a 10-12 block radius. That's a pretty big deal and the only other area in the country that I can think of that is even remotely comparable from an education as a financial engine perspective is probably Cambridge in Boston.

UPMC is not owned by the Univ of Pitt. No more than Fairview Health is owned by the University of Minnesota.

Nonetheless, to your point about the U of Pitt and Carnegie being right next to each other, and doing a ton of research. Absolutely true!


The natural comparison, as you noted, is Harvard and MIT.


There are some other examples of two large research universities being somewhat close, but not right next to each other.
UC-Berkeley and UC-San Fran
UCLA and Cal Tech
Columbia and NYU
Georgia Tech and Emory
UNC and Duke
UIC and Chicago
UM-Maryland and Johns Hopkins
CU-Boulder and CU-Denver

Probably missing some.

UPMC is essentially a Pitt spin-off and it was done to allow it aggressively grow while providing a financial firewall to protect the university from financial peaks and troughs in the health care industry. It is a model that been copied by many academic medical centers. Pitt appoints 1/3 of UPMC's board. They're extremely intertwined, including physically, but UPMC is legally separate and operates independently. UPMC's deal with Robert Morris encompasses more than just the arena name.

Pitt and Carnegie Mellons' campuses are not just literally adjacent, they are intermixed at some points, and they share multiple academic programs and centers, along with some faculty. I've never seen two universities so physically and metaphorically close. Penn and Drexel are physically close..their campuses abut, but they have virtually no interaction academically. I really don't know of another similar situation between two major research universities as Pitt and CMU.

There's actually another small university that abuts Pitt and its medical center: Carlow University. You have 3 universities and one of the largest academic medical centers in the country all in about 200 to 250 acres. Oh, and also the main branch of the city's public library, the city's primary art and natural history museums, the headquarters of the city's public school district and a couple of schools.

As you said, none of the universities pairs you mentioned are actually physically next to each other and some of them aren't even that close and might take an hour to get from one to the other.

All true, and good info. Thanks for sharing!

Harvard and MIT do share some programs, as well as Georgia Tech and Emory, and UC Berkeley and UCSF ... I think mainly around medical/health science research and biomed engineering themes.

https://hst.mit.edu/
http://www.emory.edu/home/research/cente...-tech.html
http://sph.berkeley.edu/jmp/home


Also seem to recall that UMPC is somewhat interesting in being a combination of a heathcare provider and healthcare insurance. Not sure how unique that is ... but could be a model for the future of consolidations in the healthcare sector.

(03-29-2017 08:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  All true, and good info. Thanks for sharing!

Harvard and MIT do share some programs, as well as Georgia Tech and Emory, and UC Berkeley and UCSF ... I think mainly around medical/health science research and biomed engineering themes.

https://hst.mit.edu/
http://www.emory.edu/home/research/cente...-tech.html
http://sph.berkeley.edu/jmp/home


Also seem to recall that UMPC is somewhat interesting in being a combination of a heathcare provider and healthcare insurance. Not sure how unique that is ... but could be a model for the future of consolidations in the healthcare sector.

Pitt and CMU were so close they were recently considering combining their libraries. They actually decided not to do it, but that's the level of collaboration that they are at least discussing.

UPMC has a for-profit health insurance division. They were the first academic medical center to start one, and it was a reaction to a monopoly that was held in Western Pennsylvania by Highmark through the 90s. There were essentially no other carriers, not even national ones, in the region before UPMC Health Plan broke the monopoly. It has been something that has been copied by a lot of other medical center systems so it isn't as unique as it used to be. Kaiser Permanente is an example of a system that has its own insurance division, and it is the largest one in the nation, but it really isn't an academic medical center in the same sense as it doesn't have a med school. UPMC Health Plan is the second largest provider owned insurance company in the country.

UPMC actually has other for-profit subsidiaries in its enterprise division that are into all sorts of health care related niches, including partnerships with major tech companies like IBM and Microsoft. They also helped create companies like Evolent to consult with other hospital systems to provide them with their expertise in health care management and operations. And they have an international division with operations in about 8 different countries, the largest probably being a major transplant center in Italy.

UPMC sounds like a really good deal for the city of Pittsburgh & western Pennsylvania as well as the US & the world. Does UPMC collaborate with the University of Texas' MD Anderson Hospital on anything?