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(12-12-2017 08:39 PM)dragon2owl Wrote:  
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From All Saints HS in Fort Worth. Offers from Air Force, Yale, Columbia, and Butler.

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(12-12-2017 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  [quote='cr11owl' pid='14888474' dateline='1513093319']
Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

I've said it before, one advantage of the option is that the kind of linemen you recruit for offense, generally smaller and quicker, are the kind that you need on defense, and you can move linemen back and forth to some extent, as needed. If you're in a spread, you need a bunch of 300+ pound pass protectors who can't play defense. And you need a drop-back quarterback who can't play anywhere else, whereas option quarterbacks tend to be athletes first who can play safety (or even linebacker).

I'm not arguing for the option. I'm just stating why I think it works well for the academies. I think you have to throw the ball more than option teams do in order to be able to win. I like something like what Paul Johnson did with Erk Russell at Georgia Southern and Bob Wagner at Hawaii, where they combined the option and the run-and-shoot. Still love watching videos of the likes of Tracy Ham in the 1-AA playoffs or Garret Gabriel and Ivin Jasper lighting up teams like BYU and Notre Dame. I still think it would be an appropriate use of our guys' intellectual capabilities to combine the option (11 plays, all running, inside veer, outside veer, inside reverse, outside reverse, trap, trap option, counter option, midline, midline option, jet sweep, double option), the run-and-shoot (6 plays, all passes, choice, go, slide, smash, streak, switch) and the Air Raid (6 plays, all passes, verticals, mesh, shallow cross, sail, wheel, cross) with a few screens and draws. I think that is a sufficiently limited playbook that we could execute all of it well, and that puts defenses in a terrible quandary. In particular, it puts Ruowls's guy to stress under incredible stress.

The West Coast passing game plus power running is what Holmgren knows. It's not exactly what I prefer, but it's close enough. He's going to need some physical linemen on both sides of the ball to make that approach work. I'm not sure Rice can get as many of those as Stanford can in a P5 league. Then again, I'm not sure we need as many as Stanford gets to win against CUSA competition.

As old New England offensive coordinator Ron Erhart liked to say, "Throw to score and run to win."
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(12-12-2017 06:37 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.

I mean, there were only 3 passes combined in the Army-Navy game..
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I think the weather might have had something to do with the lack of passes
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Blake Brockermeyer, presumably related to Rice commit Luke Brockermeyer, tweeted the following today, suggesting that Scott Vestal is still assisting the incoming staff:
Quote:Great to catch up with new Rice HC Mike Bloomgren, DC Brian Smith, and Scott Vestal today at All Saints. Solid plan. Love Coach Smiths vision of getting to the QB most of all!
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(12-12-2017 11:47 PM)Owl75 Wrote:  I think the weather might have had something to do with the lack of passes

Sure.. but the Buffalo vs Indy game, which was in way worse weather, had 38 pass attempts.

Bad weather may lower your pass plays but typically won't result in a total of 3 attempts.
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(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:37 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.

I mean, there were only 3 passes combined in the Army-Navy game..

I must emphasize point 3, above. As the announcers stated, the academies are using more running plays that are not the triple option. Having a run based offense is not inherently flawed as is a flexbone.
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(12-12-2017 11:48 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Blake Brockermeyer, presumably related to Rice commit Luke Brockermeyer, ...

Yep. His father.

Blake was an All-American (and 2x All-SWC) OT at UT (Longhorn Hall of Fame: 2015) and played nine years in the NFL (Panthers, Bears & Broncos).
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(12-13-2017 01:52 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:37 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.
I mean, there were only 3 passes combined in the Army-Navy game..
I must emphasize point 3, above. As the announcers stated, the academies are using more running plays that are not the triple option. Having a run based offense is not inherently flawed as is a flexbone.

Since you are such a knowledgeable football expert, what plays did they run that were not option/flexbone based? Or are you just repeating what the announcers told you.

A lot of what Navy in particular did is run triple option plays out of a spread set, much like Malzahn's offense.

What the announcers clarified several times was the they were not running the pitch phase of the option, presumably because of ball handling concerns. When Army finally did pitch, the announcers noted that with glee, particularly since the play broke for big yardage (and either a TD or got very close, don't remember).

The option and flexbone have evolved with the addition of series like the midline, which both teams ran a lot. All schemes do. The Air Raid is not the same as what Mumme and Leach were running at Valdosta State.
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(12-13-2017 12:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 01:52 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 11:43 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:37 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  1. This is a recruiting thread;
2. But, since we've gone there - the announcers for the Army-Navy game pointed out (correctly) that the academies have been moving away from the triple option;
3. I enjoy it when people who have no clue about football try to extol the "virtues" of the wishbone/flexbone etc.
I mean, there were only 3 passes combined in the Army-Navy game..
I must emphasize point 3, above. As the announcers stated, the academies are using more running plays that are not the triple option. Having a run based offense is not inherently flawed as is a flexbone.

Since you are such a knowledgeable football expert, what plays did they run that were not option/flexbone based? Or are you just repeating what the announcers told you.

A lot of what Navy in particular did is run triple option plays out of a spread set, much like Malzahn's offense.

What the announcers clarified several times was the they were not running the pitch phase of the option, presumably because of ball handling concerns. When Army finally did pitch, the announcers noted that with glee, particularly since the play broke for big yardage (and either a TD or got very close, don't remember).

The option and flexbone have evolved with the addition of series like the midline, which both teams ran a lot. All schemes do. The Air Raid is not the same as what Mumme and Leach were running at Valdosta State.

I think alot of this is poorly defined semantics on the part of those announcers. I heard that comment and it didn't really sit well with me as an option afficianado and ex (poor excuse for a) QB. There were certainly many Hatfield coahed games where we didn'd technically run a lot of triple option but the offensive playbook hadn't changed a bit. If they couldn't stop Mike Perry on the counter play (my favorite option offense play - a lost art) why risk tossing the ball around. Even power based isolation blocked runs are part of the triple option playbook be it from bone/spread/I.

My reading of the "Perfect Pass" seems to define the moment that the Mumme offense evolved into "Air Raid" even though the term came later as when he incorporated the (South Florida or was it a USFL team?) 2 minute drill, which I thought was later at Valdosta St. But again somewhat semantic versus the derivative nature of what is being run as it evolves from Coryell/BYU/Mouse/Mumme/Wyche/Leach/Erickson etc.
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(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
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(12-12-2017 09:27 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

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Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843

Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.

Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

Miklo Smalls is our man. He's an incredible talent. I'd definitely welcome Riley Smith, but I know Smalls will be a great player for us.
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(12-12-2017 02:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

I've said it before, one advantage of the option is that the kind of linemen you recruit for offense, generally smaller and quicker, are the kind that you need on defense, and you can move linemen back and forth to some extent, as needed. If you're in a spread, you need a bunch of 300+ pound pass protectors who can't play defense. And you need a drop-back quarterback who can't play anywhere else, whereas option quarterbacks tend to be athletes first who can play safety (or even linebacker).

I'm not arguing for the option. I'm just stating why I think it works well for the academies. I think you have to throw the ball more than option teams do in order to be able to win. I like something like what Paul Johnson did with Erk Russell at Georgia Southern and Bob Wagner at Hawaii, where they combined the option and the run-and-shoot. Still love watching videos of the likes of Tracy Ham in the 1-AA playoffs or Garret Gabriel and Ivin Jasper lighting up teams like BYU and Notre Dame. I still think it would be an appropriate use of our guys' intellectual capabilities to combine the option (11 plays, all running, inside veer, outside veer, inside reverse, outside reverse, trap, trap option, counter option, midline, midline option, jet sweep, double option), the run-and-shoot (6 plays, all passes, choice, go, slide, smash, streak, switch) and the Air Raid (6 plays, all passes, verticals, mesh, shallow cross, sail, wheel, cross) with a few screens and draws. I think that is a sufficiently limited playbook that we could execute all of it well, and that puts defenses in a terrible quandary. In particular, it puts Ruowls's guy to stress under incredible stress.

The West Coast passing game plus power running is what Holmgren knows. It's not exactly what I prefer, but it's close enough. He's going to need some physical linemen on both sides of the ball to make that approach work. I'm not sure Rice can get as many of those as Stanford can in a P5 league. Then again, I'm not sure we need as many as Stanford gets to win against CUSA competition.

As old New England offensive coordinator Ron Erhart liked to say, "Throw to score and run to win."

If we can get the same caliber of talent as SMU and Tulsa, we can win CUSA and compete against the top teams in the country. I have a lot of faith in the new head coach. He could make Rice something serious with that kind of talent. Let's give this man resources to work with, and let's keep him.
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James Bagnell decommitted this evening...

Not sure where he's planning on going as his only other offer is from A&M-Kingsville.

I wonder if Bloomgren is telling some of these current commits that they aren't "takes," likely won't play much, etc... Don't know if we're in the position to be doing that right now though.

I'd expect us to be having a big OV weekend this weekend as its the last weekend before the early signing day. Not sure who's coming in though.
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(12-14-2017 02:33 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  James Bagnell decommitted this evening...

Not sure where he's planning on going as his only other offer is from A&M-Kingsville.

I wonder if Bloomgren is telling some of these current commits that they aren't "takes," likely won't play much, etc... Don't know if we're in the position to be doing that right now though.

I'd expect us to be having a big OV weekend this weekend as its the last weekend before the early signing day. Not sure who's coming in though.

I’d guess that’s what’s happening.
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A big kid but surprising he is not being recruited in the NE like the Patriot League at least. Must have agility problems.
(12-14-2017 07:51 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(12-14-2017 02:33 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  James Bagnell decommitted this evening...

Not sure where he's planning on going as his only other offer is from A&M-Kingsville.

I wonder if Bloomgren is telling some of these current commits that they aren't "takes," likely won't play much, etc... Don't know if we're in the position to be doing that right now though.

I'd expect us to be having a big OV weekend this weekend as its the last weekend before the early signing day. Not sure who's coming in though.

I’d guess that’s what’s happening.
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(12-14-2017 12:07 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 10:24 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:27 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 10:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  First Bloomgren offer from the Sunshine state...

Here's a video on Riley, post on the Stanford board. 3-star QB. Stanford was hoping to bring him in as a preferred walk-on since they had no remaining scholarships...

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...ith-179843

Would be a great get. Need a clean slate and full competition at every position, especially at QB.

Besides QB I think the most impact will be made with some solid offensive and defensive line editions. Since Bloomgren is an offensive line guy I’m not too worried about that. I’ll be interested to see who we can bring in on Dline. Probably one of the toughest positions for us to recruit and it has a major impact on the game.

Miklo Smalls is our man. He's an incredible talent. I'd definitely welcome Riley Smith, but I know Smalls will be a great player for us.

Oh yeah he was amazing.....ABO
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(12-15-2017 11:02 AM)OldOwl Wrote:  A big kid but surprising he is not being recruited in the NE like the Patriot League at least. Must have agility problems.

Watching his film, he's pretty darn agile. Could use some strengthening, perhaps, but he's a big ole boy with good feet and some speed.
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The silence on the recruiting front is interesting. Anyone have any inside information? Could someone make something up?
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