(02-03-2017 12:03 AM)banker Wrote:  Diplomats don't sign up for combat.

you do when you take that post.

No, they are suppose to have adequate security.

(02-02-2017 05:36 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

People? What people? Can you provide an example of this please?

There is no evidence in this thread whatsoever to support your claim. And I've not seen it in any other threads here either.

The only other casualty I've seen talked about in this raid is the reported death of an 8-year old girl who is actually American.

And many here rode Obama hard when one of his authorized drone strikes killed her older brother, also an American, several years ago. And at least one here seemed to claim that Obama personally ordered (or was at least responsible for) the death of this American kid.

A young brother and sister are killed by drone strikes several years apart...hmmm... sounds like a parenting problem.

No wonder the FAA is scaling back on drones. They are dangerous

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Left is trying to draw a parallel around the murkiness of Obama's location during the Benghazi raid and this Special Forces attack. In one, the US was taking an action and lost life as a result. In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed. Apples and oranges, unless you live in Libtardia.

Unless someone can tell me where Trump was and what he was doing, this whole thread is useless. Was he engaged from his office multitasking other work? Was he playing golf? Watching porn? Reading Hillary's email? Designing the wall? Negotiating a deal with Theresa May?

Obama got schit because he was lazy in general and spend too much time on vacation or golfing and requests for help were ignored, not because he wasn't physically in the "Situation Room" for a photo op. He could have approved the reinforcements from the golf course or had Hillary approve them from her bathroom server.

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(02-03-2017 06:27 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Left is trying to draw a parallel around the murkiness of Obama's location during the Benghazi raid and this Special Forces attack. In one, the US was taking an action and lost life as a result. In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed. Apples and oranges, unless you live in Libtardia.

Unless someone can tell me where Trump was and what he was doing, this whole thread is useless. Was he engaged from his office multitasking other work? Was he playing golf? Watching porn? Reading Hillary's email? Designing the wall? Negotiating a deal with Theresa May?

Obama got schit because he was lazy in general and spend too much time on vacation or golfing and requests for help were ignored, not because he wasn't physically in the "Situation Room" for a photo op. He could have approved the reinforcements from the golf course or had Hillary approve them from her bathroom server.

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Not sure if it says in the OP but I heard reports that he was already asleep when the raid happened. So in other words, he authorized it and then went meemees.

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed.

You're missing several key facts here.

1. Help was not denied, just delayed for valid reasons. One of which was that they had no idea who was attacking and therefore who to fire upon...not to mention they were quite far away.
2. The two deaths at Benghazi (which includes Stevens) reportedly occurred almost immediately in the attack.
3. 2 of the 4 killed were members of the CIA team from the annex which did eventually intervene to help.
4. Myriad investigations by state and the GOP house found nothing to indicate an immediate response would have saved any lives. Rather found fault in the planning and security assigned Stevens for his visit there.

(02-03-2017 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed.

You're missing several key facts here.

1. Help was not denied, just delayed for valid reasons. One of which was that they had no idea who was attacking and therefore who to fire upon...not to mention they were quite far away.
2. The two deaths at Benghazi (which includes Stevens) reportedly occurred almost immediately in the attack.
3. 2 of the 4 killed were members of the CIA team from the annex which did eventually intervene to help.
4. Myriad investigations by state and the GOP house found nothing to indicate an immediate response would have saved any lives. Rather found fault in the planning and security assigned Stevens for his visit there.

You forgot to mention that the Marines were held up awaiting a wardrobe decision and even if they were going to be allowed to carry weapons

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/m.../86478466/

Quote:Spain-based Marines trying to respond to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, were delayed for three hours as U.S. government officials debated whether they should wear their uniforms and carry weapons, according to Tuesday's report from the House Benghazi Committee.

The platoon commander of a fleet anti-terrorism security team, which can be dispatched to embassies and consulates in times of crises, told the committee that his Marines changed into and out of their uniforms four times on the plane before taking off for Libya, the report states.

Quote:"We were told multiple times to change what we were wearing, to change from cammies into civilian attire, civilian attire into cammies, cammies into civilian attire," the platoon commander, who was not identified, told the committee. "There was also some talk of whether or not we could carry our personal weapons.

"I was basically holding hard and fast to the point where we were carrying our personal weapons. Like, we’ve got a very violent thing going on the ground where we’re going, so we’re going to be carrying something that can protect ourselves. But as far as what the Marines were wearing, that continually changed, and we had to make those changes inside of the aircraft."

Quote:The FAST Marines, who were based out of Rota, Spain, were ready to leave for Libya at 5:45 a.m. local time the morning after the attack, the team's platoon commander told the committee. The Marines waited six hours for Air Force C-130s to arrive in Spain, but then they were delayed on the ground. Rota is about 2,000 miles from Benghazi.

The report, which was issued by Republican members of the committee, states that the uniform issue “illustrated no one seemed to be taking charge and making final decisions."

"After the State Department request at the 7:30 p.m. White House meeting, the Defense Department began working the issue," the report says. "Documents from the Defense Department show, and the FAST Platoon Commander testified it was well into the next afternoon on September 12th before the final decision was made.

(02-02-2017 05:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

If I'm not mistaken someone predicted in a thread it would return.

Yep, I guess we're back to the daily body counts.

(02-03-2017 10:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 06:27 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Left is trying to draw a parallel around the murkiness of Obama's location during the Benghazi raid and this Special Forces attack. In one, the US was taking an action and lost life as a result. In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed. Apples and oranges, unless you live in Libtardia.

Unless someone can tell me where Trump was and what he was doing, this whole thread is useless. Was he engaged from his office multitasking other work? Was he playing golf? Watching porn? Reading Hillary's email? Designing the wall? Negotiating a deal with Theresa May?

Obama got schit because he was lazy in general and spend too much time on vacation or golfing and requests for help were ignored, not because he wasn't physically in the "Situation Room" for a photo op. He could have approved the reinforcements from the golf course or had Hillary approve them from her bathroom server.

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Not sure if it says in the OP but I heard reports that he was already asleep when the raid happened. So in other words, he authorized it and then went meemees.

The article said he was sleeping, but doesn't cite a source. I took it as a sarcastic liberty as opposed to fact.

What difference does it matter if he's there or not? He gives the order and the order is then carried out. More grasping at straws is all this is.

(02-03-2017 01:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

If I'm not mistaken someone predicted in a thread it would return.

Yep, I guess we're back to the daily body counts.

The big media are just fine with that, and playing along with enthusiasm.

You see, most of the Libt***s have never been in charge of anything, or so it seems. They don't know about delegation of orders. A general gives the orders and expects that they will be carried out. If they aren't then there's hell to be paid. It's simple. As a shift supervisor I would be given orders by higher ups and even if I didn't agree I was expected to carry them out or I would be reprimanded.

Simple, huh?

(02-03-2017 02:20 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 01:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

If I'm not mistaken someone predicted in a thread it would return.

Yep, I guess we're back to the daily body counts.

The big media are just fine with that, and playing along with enthusiasm.

Remember how excited the media was when the Iraq war death count crossed the 1,000 mark? If I didn't know better I would have thought it was Christmas.

(02-03-2017 02:27 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  You see, most of the Libt***s have never been in charge of anything, or so it seems. They don't know about delegation of orders. A general gives the orders and expects that they will be carried out. If they aren't then there's hell to be paid. It's simple. As a shift supervisor I would be given orders by higher ups and even if I didn't agree I was expected to carry them out or I would be reprimanded.

Simple, huh?

Understood but let's not forget where the buck stops when things go wrong like they did here.

(02-03-2017 02:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 02:27 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  You see, most of the Libt***s have never been in charge of anything, or so it seems. They don't know about delegation of orders. A general gives the orders and expects that they will be carried out. If they aren't then there's hell to be paid. It's simple. As a shift supervisor I would be given orders by higher ups and even if I didn't agree I was expected to carry them out or I would be reprimanded.

Simple, huh?

Understood but let's not forget where the buck stops when things go wrong like they did here.

Funny how that concept has returned just like the faux concerns over troop deaths among your leftists since the change in administrations.

"Amateur hour" ~ Karl Rove

Quote:WASHINGTON — The US military on Friday took down the link to a video that it said it secured from a raid in Yemen last week just hours after posting it, having realized that far from showing off the intelligence gained from the raid, the videos were a decade old.

The Pentagon Said This Video Shows A Raid In Yemen Was Successful. It’s A Decade Old.