(02-02-2017 02:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Not to say that the Raid was as much of a success as they hoped: (although some people say the intelligence gained from the raid is almost as big as what was gained in the Bin Laden raid.

But fit:

Quote:And those earlier suggestions that President Obama had somehow cleared the raid?

Per the Washington Post:

Quote:According to current and former officials with knowledge of the operation, military officials had proposed it weeks before, under the Obama administration, as part of an attempt to compensate for intelligence losses caused by Yemen’s extended civil conflict.

After considering the operation for several weeks, Obama officials concluded that the raid would not be possible before the president’s Jan. 20 departure. They began to prepare a detailed assessment of the Pentagon proposal in anticipation of a final decision by Trump’s top advisers, said one former senior U.S. official who, like other current and former officials, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

That's not to say it's not on Trump's watch it happened, as he had to approve the final go call...

Quote:While that would seemingly be indicative of a more aggressive stance by Trump, one official described the raid and the proposal as an outgrowth of earlier Obama-era operations that have pushed al-Qaeda militants from their sanctuaries and provided more opportunities for U.S. strikes.

So the groundwork and plans were already in place by Obama advisors...

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

Some are saying that the enemy was prepared and waiting for our arrival. Who leaked it and got someone killed? Or do we have a security hole and someone hacked into the plan?

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It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

(02-02-2017 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

I can't say I am surprised.

(02-02-2017 03:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Some are saying that the enemy was prepared and waiting for our arrival. Who leaked it and got someone killed? Or do we have a security hole and someone hacked into the plan?

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Apparently they were aware of the drones flying too low to the location (at least that's what I read), so they were suspicious of an incoming assault.

(02-02-2017 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

For eight years, the MSM and liberals ignored military deaths.

12 days into a Republican administration, it leads the news.

If I'm not mistaken someone predicted in a thread it would return.

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

People? What people? Can you provide an example of this please?

There is no evidence in this thread whatsoever to support your claim. And I've not seen it in any other threads here either.

The only other casualty I've seen talked about in this raid is the reported death of an 8-year old girl who is actually American.

And many here rode Obama hard when one of his authorized drone strikes killed her older brother, also an American, several years ago. And at least one here seemed to claim that Obama personally ordered (or was at least responsible for) the death of this American kid.

(02-02-2017 05:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

People? What people? Can you provide an example of this please?

There is no evidence in this thread whatsoever to support your claim. And I've not seen it in any other threads here either.

The only other casualty I've seen talked about in this raid is the reported death of an 8-year old girl who is actually American.

And many here rode Obama hard when one of his authorized drone strikes killed her older brother, also an American, several years ago. And at least one here seemed to claim that Obama personally ordered (or was at least responsible for) the death of this American kid.

A young brother and sister are killed by drone strikes several years apart...hmmm... sounds like a parenting problem.

(02-02-2017 05:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

People? What people? Can you provide an example of this please?

There is no evidence in this thread whatsoever to support your claim. And I've not seen it in any other threads here either.

The only other casualty I've seen talked about in this raid is the reported death of an 8-year old girl who is actually American.

And many here rode Obama hard when one of his authorized drone strikes killed her older brother, also an American, several years ago. And at least one here seemed to claim that Obama personally ordered (or was at least responsible for) the death of this American kid.

People in social media.

I'm not former military. Never served, did boot camp, nothing. But my job has had me around our armed forces for the last 10 years. This type of operation wasn't thrown together in 11 days. These things are planned weeks out and then an opportunity has to present itself. But Trump went and paid respect to our fallen service person. Obama would've sent a rep to the enemy's funeral.

(02-02-2017 04:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It is a sad tale when people are more grieved over a dead foreigner than an American soldier.

that foreigner was completely innocent and an American.

(02-02-2017 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  And those earlier suggestions that President Obama had somehow cleared the raid? Completely false. Donald Trump was totally responsible for authorizing the botched raid. But he didn’t take that responsibility seriously enough to let it keep him out of bed while Navy SEALs were putting their lives on the line. Read More

Link



This is amazing. I can't believe it.

Was he golfing? What was he doing?

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Fake news. The WH says it was a successful mission that lead to actionable intel.

Glad he knows more than the Generals.

(02-02-2017 02:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:40 PM)banker Wrote:  dailykos link? You're right, you can't believe it.

Will the president's own press secretary suffice? Or do you need Trump himself to tell you?

https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/...0728534017

I never said he was or wasn't. I merely pointed out that the source is not believable from a journalistic perspective. Why wasn't he there? Why should he have been there? How did the fact that he wasn't there impact the mission either positively or negatively? Is it SOP for the POTUS to be in the situation room for every military mission carried out, anytime, anywhere?

See, you can state a lot of things, many even factually correct, and still publish a bull**** "news" story. I guess I'm just picky because I can kind of remember when the country actually had real journalist.

You see, when the Libt***s complain about Trump not being in the Situation Room they fail to see that he doesn't have the military capability that Community Organizer Oblunder did. They figure he needs to be there to oversee the action. After all, he is the president.

But, if he did, then they would be complaining that he doesn't have any experience which he doesn't but yet he was in the Room getting in the way. You just can't win. They want him to comport himself like the Little Corporal so that he can be criticized as being like the Little Corporal.

Left is trying to draw a parallel around the murkiness of Obama's location during the Benghazi raid and this Special Forces attack. In one, the US was taking an action and lost life as a result. In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed. Apples and oranges, unless you live in Libtardia.

(02-02-2017 10:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Left is trying to draw a parallel around the murkiness of Obama's location during the Benghazi raid and this Special Forces attack. In one, the US was taking an action and lost life as a result. In Benghazi, we were ATTACKED, help was denied, and four Americans (including our Ambassador) were killed. Apples and oranges, unless you live in Libtardia.

So American lives are less when we are on the offensive?

Diplomats don't sign up for combat.