Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup

Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936

Just 207 more weeks! I wonder if you can keep up.

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I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

(01-29-2017 08:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

I think we've had the discussion so many times here that it's literally beating a dead horse. But it's not like every American is asked about this. Hell I've never been polled before.

It's a sampling from a "random" group of people.

(01-29-2017 08:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

Most of the polls at the end got the popular vote reasonably close. HRC by 3 points.

(01-29-2017 09:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 08:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

Most of the polls at the end got the popular vote reasonably close. HRC by 3 points.

yea right.

its not a national vote. Its a state by state vote. And the state polls were garbage.

(01-29-2017 09:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 08:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

Most of the polls at the end got the popular vote reasonably close. HRC by 3 points.

No they did not....

they missed it badly because the polls the media showed had Hillary Clinton up by 5 to 9% in a lot of the states she lost. So that 3% was based on the nation. Not just a couple states

Why can't you just admit when something is not the way you believed it to be? Something is seriously wrong when a person can't or refuses to see what is right in front of them

Are those the same polls that you libs force fed down our throats and railed at us poor dumbazz deplorables that there wasn't a chance in hell Trump could win? You can take those polls and shove them $&(($ &@&:( &&$.

(01-29-2017 09:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 08:54 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't trust these things anymore anyway. I don't think you can get an honest sampling anymore. I'm as liberal as they come and I do suspect this but this past election has proven to me you can throw this opinion polls out the window. You can't believe them.

Most of the polls at the end got the popular vote reasonably close. HRC by 3 points.

What about the polls that had HRC up by 5 in FL and NC and 7-10 in WI? PA and MI were closer but none had Trump ahead.

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I can pull the Youtube video of where some dude with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC was showing Clinton getting upwards of 380 electoral votes. Sounds like the same polling service they used for this.

MUH POLLS!


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POLLS ARE GREAT INDICATORS....

Final Results -- -- 48.2 46.1 Clinton +2.1
RCP Average 11/1 - 11/7 -- -- 46.8 43.6 Clinton +3.2
Bloomberg 11/4 - 11/6 799 LV 3.5 46 43 Clinton +3
IBD/TIPP Tracking 11/4 - 11/7 1107 LV 3.1 43 42 Clinton +1
Economist/YouGov 11/4 - 11/7 3669 LV -- 49 45 Clinton +4
LA Times/USC Tracking 11/1 - 11/7 2935 LV 4.5 44 47 Trump +3
ABC/Wash Post Tracking 11/3 - 11/6 2220 LV 2.5 49 46 Clinton +3
FOX News 11/3 - 11/6 1295 LV 2.5 48 44 Clinton +4
Monmouth 11/3 - 11/6 748 LV 3.6 50 44 Clinton +6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/3 - 11/5 1282 LV 2.7 48 43 Clinton +5
CBS News 11/2 - 11/6 1426 LV 3.0 47 43 Clinton +4
Reuters/Ipsos 11/2 - 11/6 2196 LV 2.3 44 39 Clinton +5

...maybe not

Polls be damned. Anyone think Trump cares? I don't. In fact?...Im thinking now he is laughing at this.

Les Mis care. They care a lot.

(01-29-2017 08:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup

Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936

A little history lesson for you on polls. Enjoy.

lol. who cares? I dont. Trump doesnt.

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Polls...

Too funny!

The poll respondents were merely liberals who were super unhappy with how the election turned out.

Polls are useless unless you see the internals. Last week there were two polls that said Trumps approval rating was 40%. Much lower than Rasmussen. If you looked at the internals of these two polls, they sampled 23% and 24% Republicans. This is way under sampling and renders the poll invalid.

Anyone who knows anything about polling understands you can get any outcome you want if you cherry pick the sample.If you look at the polls running up to the election, those polls over sampled Democrats by 4-6%. So they said Hillary was a shoe in but the reality was very different.

(01-29-2017 08:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Days until achieving MAJORITY disapproval from @Gallup

Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936

Well then, this just shows that Trump has a shot at being the best President in modern history if you consider this meaningful. Just arrange them high to low to see what I mean.

Bush I - the only one termer on the list, stayed positive almost his entire term.

Bush II - considered the lowest IQ on the list, probably kept his positive due to strong nationalism following 9/11.

Obama - rode the good vibes of his election - hope and change - took people 2 1/2 years to realize he wasn't going to change anything but his personal financial position and lifestyle.

Reagan - best republican president in modern history.

Clinton - best democratic president in modern history.

So, it looks like the quicker people turn against you, the better you are. That's because people hate change, they get nervous when someone actually does something. It's not until after its done, and the positive effects of the action kicks in, that they realize that it worked out pretty well for them.

Both Clinton and Reagan rolled to re-election.