(01-23-2017 12:37 PM)fsquid Wrote: I'm just wondering why they threw a marker down on how many people was there. It's irrelevant. You are the President if literally no one shows up.
It's the principle that the MSM will lie about absolutely anything.
The American people are fed up with it.
But how did they lie? The Press Secretary himself said there was no numbers.
(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
But if you're going to do that, you need to start with stuff that is at least possibly true. Get caught in too many obvious lies, and nobody will believe anything you say.
I most definitely do not trust the MSM. But picking a fight where they are the ones in the right is not the way to expose them.
Catch them when they are clearly in the wrong--like the MLK bust--and rip them a new one. Don't waste your capital on losing efforts.
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(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
But if you're going to do that, you need to start with stuff that is at least possibly true. Get caught in too many obvious lies, and nobody will believe anything you say.
I most definitely do not trust the MSM. But picking a fight where they are the ones in the right is not the way to expose them.
Catch them when they are clearly in the wrong--like the MLK bust--and rip them a new one. Don't waste your capital on losing efforts.
I agree with you 100% but that ship left port literally months ago. Trump got caught lying practically from day one and he still won the POTUS.
Even in this forum it is obvious that some are going to dismiss the truth and believe only what Trump and his administration says.
Trump is convinced he will have enough support to say whatever lie he wants and still be believed. Kellyann said it best. This administration will simply provide "alternate facts".
(01-23-2017 12:37 PM)fsquid Wrote: I'm just wondering why they threw a marker down on how many people was there. It's irrelevant. You are the President if literally no one shows up.
It's the principle that the MSM will lie about absolutely anything.
The American people are fed up with it.
But how did they lie? The Press Secretary himself said there was no numbers.
(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
But if you're going to do that, you need to start with stuff that is at least possibly true. Get caught in too many obvious lies, and nobody will believe anything you say.
I most definitely do not trust the MSM. But picking a fight where they are the ones in the right is not the way to expose them.
Catch them when they are clearly in the wrong--like the MLK bust--and rip them a new one. Don't waste your capital on losing efforts.
Agreed, but there is a lot that he does that I can't rationally explain very well. I think there is more to it than just his ego. Trump is not starting out from nothing here, though. Going back at least as far as the Reagan administration, (probably to Nixon), Republicans have railed against the press. I think Reagan was justified, and countered it with an excellent relationship with the press, and I think both Bushes did as well. But, I think Karl Rove shaped a much more antagonistic relationship with the press, and I think that has layed a lot of groundwork for what Trump is doing now.
(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
But if you're going to do that, you need to start with stuff that is at least possibly true. Get caught in too many obvious lies, and nobody will believe anything you say.
I most definitely do not trust the MSM. But picking a fight where they are the ones in the right is not the way to expose them.
Catch them when they are clearly in the wrong--like the MLK bust--and rip them a new one. Don't waste your capital on losing efforts.
Agreed, but there is a lot that he does that I can't rationally explain very well. I think there is more to it than just his ego. Trump is not starting out from nothing here, though. Going back at least as far as the Reagan administration, (probably to Nixon), Republicans have railed against the press. I think Reagan was justified, and countered it with an excellent relationship with the press, and I think both Bushes did as well. But, I think Karl Rove shaped a much more antagonistic relationship with the press, and I think that has layed a lot of groundwork for what Trump is doing now.
Don't disagree, which is why I say pick their spots.
What I've seen republicans do too much is make issues out of things they couldn't win, but roll over and lrt things pass where they had a slam dunk.
Trump shouldn't do it personally, but should have his surrogates keep the heat on them and expose the media for the partisan, lying Democratic hacks they are. They've been at war against the Republicans since Nixon while pretending to be impartial and have gotten more and more biased. Call them on it. Repeatedly. Make sure everyone knows you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt.
They aren't going to change while Trump is president so there's no reason for a unilateral cease fire.
(01-23-2017 03:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: What I've seen republicans do too much is make issues out of things they couldn't win, but roll over and lrt things pass where they had a slam dunk.
Which is why I that politicians aren't in the business of solving problems, but instead are in the business of exploiting them.
(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
No, that is the Democrat and the press approach. He is challenging that.
(01-23-2017 12:37 PM)fsquid Wrote: I'm just wondering why they threw a marker down on how many people was there. It's irrelevant. You are the President if literally no one shows up.
"...Here’s the problem: The more Hollywood liberals produce condescending videos, the more pretentious and preachy celebs like Madonna (or replace her with Lena Dunham or Meryl Streep… they’re basically interchangeable) lecture us at rallies and awards ceremonies, and the more protesters with signs and placards with the word “p*ssy” on them—the more I find myself liking Donald Trump.
And this is saying a lot. I’ve dedicated the last couple of years to speaking out against Trumpism. But if his adversaries are so odious as to drive me (an infamous Trump critic) into thinking maybe he is the lesser of two evils (or, at least, the less annoying!)―what do you think it is doing to working-class Americans...?"
(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: To the extent that this is still an issue, its all on DJT. He and his team are doing everything possible to promote the story.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I think it's a nihilistic attempt to condition everyone - at least his supporters and those sympathetic with him - to distrusting the press so much that he can come up with whatever assertions he wants to and have people accept them uncritically. It is a similar tactic to authoritarians around the world that intimidate the press by other means - arrest, torture, murder. The end goal is the same, though, and that's to have uncritical acceptance of his narrative.
No, that is the Democrat and the press approach. He is challenging that.
(01-23-2017 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I cannot for the life of me figure out a logical rationale for picking this fight. But he's been doing things that made no sense to me for months, and they've been working.
I was thinking the same thing. Are we looking at a Forrest Gump in the WH?
Spicer should have owned his Saturday mistake instead of repeatedly claiming today what he said Saturday was something different than what he in fact said.
(01-22-2017 05:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: So Trump may have had the largest viewership ever. We are about to get defcon4 level butthurt.
Also, I would like any of the libturds who said there were more people at the "Killing Babies" protest than at Trumps inauguration to provide photographic proof that shows more people than the below photo.
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