Petrino's first 2 years we signed a bazillion JUCO players. Yesterday we signed 3 -- an OL, a DL and a CB. Sign of a mature program.

For whatever reason, Petrino has a pipeline into East Mississippi CC (Last Chance U). We got Sun Belt Newcomer of the year Aikeem Coleman from there last year, and yesterday we signed former DL mate D.J. Henderson. If he's anything like Coleman I'll have zero worries about the DL next year.

(12-15-2016 01:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:07 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:43 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

Remember both GS and App will only full FBS strength starting next season. This class is not shaping up to well but we both will make ground in the talent composite likely this year as all the non fair or unfair unranked FCS seniors come off the books. Our per recruit average is higher than ArkSt. ArkSt is beating us by quantity as of now and we dont take many JUCO's or transfers. Might this year with the offense change though. It has been the experience at GS that transfers and JUCO's come in highly touted but miss just as much if not more than typical recruits.

Really shows how bad ArkSt and especially GS under performed given the talent on the roster this year. If our current coach could recruit anywhere in the vicinity of Fritz we would a clear #1 on the team talent composite going into next year but this guy is tanking in recruiting. Hopefully the new OC and the guys he is bringing in have some recruiting ability.

That talent composite also shows that while coaching can f up good talent the standings look awfully like the team talent rankings the last few years for all those that think recruit rankings are "garbage" at our level.

That A-State should have won at least 9 games is really irksome to their fans, that's for sure.

Sorry for chiming in here, but I gave an overview of what to expect from A-State in 2017 (the last time I'm doing so) on another message board, and visited here after the fact ,and saw this thread, and have been trying to decide if I needed to change my prediction.

Predicting another so-so OOC performance(2-2 at best), and while they will probably be picked lower than normal in the SBC I expect they will again be in the hunt for SBC title(assuming they do not play Appalachian State, and get UL and Troy at home), and make another bowl game.

Seminole, We play At Nebraska and Miami at home next year to go along with at SMU and UAPB. 2 wins is probably the high water mark for every Sun Belt team with that OOC slate.

2-2 wouldn't be a So-So OOC run at all.

I agree, and they could easily go 1-3 and still win the SBC.

I will say I think A-State is going to be a talented team next year.

They are absolutely loaded at the skill positions on offense(only lost a backup QB, and a WR) , and their OL will be more talented than this years group, who really did not play very well anyway.

On defense, because they simply try and out athlete you, and because they continue to recruit well, I don't look for much of a drop-off.

I expect they will finish with a better record than this years under performing team, IF their HC excepts the FACT that HE is the problem, and nothing else.

App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

(12-14-2016 11:54 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:16 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  According to Troy's twitter account, 4 * DE Rasool Clemons from EMCC has officially committed. So that's good news for us with Dillard and Gnonkonde being seniors I believe.

Committed or signed? Juco can sign today.


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He signed today. He originally signed with Ole Miss. He is 6'6" 240 according to 247Sports. He will be a force on the line and is the only DE in the SBC with that kind of length. He was originally a 90 (4-Star) on 247. He is currently a 4-Star on rivals with some impressive offers including Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Iowa State, Toledo, and Southern Miss.

We also signed EMCC's leading receiver. That should help an improving receiving corp.

Just wait until 6'6" Rasool Clemons is on one end, and 6'5" Kelvin Lucky is on the other end. That's going to be tough for any offense to scheme against.

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

big pickup for us, not only a quality player, but he fills a position we we're starting to look thin, still a long way to Feb, but if we can hang on to this class, atleast on paper, it looks like a great recruiting year.

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

Looks like App and GS are going to flip positions from last year. Troy and ULL are technically have the slight lead in quality and App has just a few more in the barn. Only TXST has a full class they are 1 right now on quantity and will likley drop three to four spots once it is all said and done. Nobody is really making hay nationally or separating from the pack like GS did last year.

(12-14-2016 11:54 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:16 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  According to Troy's twitter account, 4 * DE Rasool Clemons from EMCC has officially committed. So that's good news for us with Dillard and Gnonkonde being seniors I believe.

Committed or signed? Juco can sign today.


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He signed today. He originally signed with Ole Miss. He is 6'6" 240 according to 247Sports. He will be a force on the line and is the only DE in the SBC with that kind of length. He was originally a 90 (4-Star) on 247. He is currently a 4-Star on rivals with some impressive offers including Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Iowa State, Toledo, and Southern Miss.

We also signed EMCC's leading receiver. That should help an improving receiving corp.

Was it ever determined why he didn't play football this year? His freshman year was a little underwhelming with only 8 tackles and 1.5 sacks, so 2016 was his big chance to show what he could do. I assume it's part of why Ole Miss dropped him a few months ago.

(12-16-2016 08:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

Looks like App and GS are going to flip positions from last year. Troy and ULL are technically have the slight lead in quality and App has just a few more in the barn. Only TXST has a full class they are 1 right now on quantity and will likley drop three to four spots once it is all said and done. Nobody is really making hay nationally or separating from the pack like GS did last year.

we're not done yet

(12-16-2016 12:15 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 08:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

Looks like App and GS are going to flip positions from last year. Troy and ULL are technically have the slight lead in quality and App has just a few more in the barn. Only TXST has a full class they are 1 right now on quantity and will likley drop three to four spots once it is all said and done. Nobody is really making hay nationally or separating from the pack like GS did last year.

we're not done yet

nobody is done yet.

(12-16-2016 12:42 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 12:15 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 08:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

Looks like App and GS are going to flip positions from last year. Troy and ULL are technically have the slight lead in quality and App has just a few more in the barn. Only TXST has a full class they are 1 right now on quantity and will likley drop three to four spots once it is all said and done. Nobody is really making hay nationally or separating from the pack like GS did last year.

we're not done yet

nobody is done yet.

Class not quite full yet. Through some strange manipulation of numbers, we're looking at 26 and we have 24 committed.

We need to get a JUCO QB in here to help fill in until we find our 2017 starter.
Here's why:
Jones is graduating. Printz signed to play in Italy. White transferred out. 4th stringer Hodges has left. 2 JUCOS we offered went elsewhere. We are left with 2 guys that aren't even listed on the 2016 roster (an Academy walk-on and a Kansas transfer; neither stands out) and incoming freshmen.

(12-16-2016 12:15 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 08:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:54 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  App just got a commitment from Allen Daniels, 3* DT according to 247sports, ranked 105th DT. Was committed to BC, decommitted in November, also had offers from P5 schools Purdue and Kansas State. stAte, Troy, GS, GSU, and Coastal had all offered. Big win for App in conference. Gives them nine 3* recruits so far which leads the conference, none of which are JUCOs. Hopefully a little bowl success can keep it goin.

Looks like App and GS are going to flip positions from last year. Troy and ULL are technically have the slight lead in quality and App has just a few more in the barn. Only TXST has a full class they are 1 right now on quantity and will likley drop three to four spots once it is all said and done. Nobody is really making hay nationally or separating from the pack like GS did last year.

we're not done yet

and that changes nothing in my post. Almost everyone's class can change a lot outside of TXST unless they sign way over. Again nobody is pulling far away so far.

this is a kinda of a pointless conversation at this time, we all know things will change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst for almost all the SBC teams before the Feb signing day. As far as GS, ya you had a great recruiting class last year, on paper, but we still have no idea, mainly because of your coach, how good, average, or bad that class will be, at the very least it looks like a year was wasted in their development. As far as the 2016 class, again on paper, it doesn't look like a good class, but, we all know the star system isn't very accurate, so who knows, maybe in 2 or 3 years we're talking about how great the GS 2016 class was.

(12-16-2016 05:52 PM)moehler Wrote:  this is a kinda of a pointless conversation at this time, we all know things will change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst for almost all the SBC teams before the Feb signing day. As far as GS, ya you had a great recruiting class last year, on paper, but we still have no idea, mainly because of your coach, how good, average, or bad that class will be, at the very least it looks like a year was wasted in their development. As far as the 2016 class, again on paper, it doesn't look like a good class, but, we all know the star system isn't very accurate, so who knows, maybe in 2 or 3 years we're talking about how great the GS 2016 class was.

They had a very good class but according to my former employer, not the best class or even close to the best roster of players in the SBC.

The team that had both tied for the league championship, and I can assure you their coaches did not out coach anyone on their schedule, not even FCS coaches.

(12-16-2016 05:52 PM)moehler Wrote:  this is a kinda of a pointless conversation at this time, we all know things will change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst for almost all the SBC teams before the Feb signing day. As far as GS, ya you had a great recruiting class last year, on paper, but we still have no idea, mainly because of your coach, how good, average, or bad that class will be, at the very least it looks like a year was wasted in their development. As far as the 2016 class, again on paper, it doesn't look like a good class, but, we all know the star system isn't very accurate, so who knows, maybe in 2 or 3 years we're talking about how great the GS 2016 class was.

Agree still a little early, but these rankings have more meaning and is actually more accurate indicator of success than most at the bottom of recruiting will ever admit as they well are at the bottom of recruiting. People just live on the one or two examples they pull out when a kid outshines his ranking playing in the FCS or G5 or the one or two teams that overly exceed their talent like Navy. Yet ignore the thousands of kids and most of the FBS teams that pretty much live up to their rankings over time.

I can easily show a big difference in the G5 teams that currently have total team talent rankings above and below the G5 average. If it were so unreliable then top ranked teams records would be about the same as the bottom for the G5 half but it is not. It is a little less pronounced at the G5 level as we dont have the huge gulf like there is between AL and Wake but there it is still there. I know that every team with a current team ranking above 100 had zero teams finish with double digit wins in the regular season and App is the only one to claim a conf title and that was shared. As a group had a bad losing record.

Going from 83 to 93 is not a big deal that could be as little as one player but going from 73 to 100+ where we are currently headed is a real drop and is a lot more than losing one high three star kid late to a P5.

It is not a direct correlation but the correlation is strong between team talent and how the final rankings and conference standings look. The Belts bottom five talent ranked teams are Idaho, NMSU, TXST, GaSt and ULM and those have been the worst performing teams the last few years overall. Even at our low level it shows up in the standings.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite