(11-18-2016 12:51 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Just this morning I was reading the EP Times and I only read a paragraph or two because most of it is fake news to me because it's controlled by the Gannett Corp. This is what Libbers should have done. Most knew the Media was against Trump and they still believe everything those rags printed.

before gannett bought 'em all up, I had many a convo with our beat writer (who now 'writes' for wdam.com) how this was all going to play out....

we both hated having that one and talked about it last night....

the donald is going to fix that one too....

it will hardly surprise me when he eliminates biz regulations whist simultaneously holding the darlin' media's toes over the coals....

this is the momento I like to term as, "**** YOU STUPID *******!" (with arm pump fingas)

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Normally those who are calling for sacrifices to be made are the ones who won't be making the sacrifices."

For example, I voted for the Mpls Schools referendum, even though it was in my interest to vote against it (pay less taxes). But I voted for it, because that's better for the school district. I don't have kids in the district, either.

That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

thank you hermie shemlock....

why wouldn't one that has only attempted to employ more to increase wealth in totality?

is there a fine line between fair and balanced???? duh....

I can go ancient teachings with it if'n yaz wants to....

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Normally those who are calling for sacrifices to be made are the ones who won't be making the sacrifices."

For example, I voted for the Mpls Schools referendum, even though it was in my interest to vote against it (pay less taxes). But I voted for it, because that's better for the school district. I don't have kids in the district, either.

That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

Good for you. My wife and I regularly pass tax levies for our communities. Honestly, the levies against our property taxes aren't back breaking by any stretch. I think your sacrifice is significantly smaller than asking someone to kill his/her livelihood for the sake of the "common good"... Perhaps that extra 1 or 2 mils on your property taxes aren't even a sacrifice at all. Trying to equate the 2 is a rather insulting IMHO.

I think you would have a point, if the industry wasn't: a) already dying, and b) harmful to the world.

'b' is really what I mean, by voting for the common good. It might be a pretty large sacrifice, to give up the job you've done for the last 10, 20, 30 years ... but if you want your grandkids to have a good world, sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

That sounds great, until that is actually the situation you face. It's why the young and many of the wealthy often side Democrat regardless of the economy, while the rest swing with the economy.

The young are often still dependent on others or 'excited' about the future with few responsibilities and so they can do this... the 'middle class' and also often the 'middle aged' cannot. They have immediate responsibilities and they vote for their family.

To tell someone who works in a town with 30% unemployment and 70% 'real estate vacancy' that is almost completely dependent on the coal industry that they should vote for someone who has promised to shut down the remaining coal capacity with no concrete plans or promises as to what happens to them or their family that they need to think about 'the common good' instead is unrealistic.

(11-18-2016 02:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think you would have a point, if the industry wasn't: a) already dying, and b) harmful to the world.

'b' is really what I mean, by voting for the common good. It might be a pretty large sacrifice, to give up the job you've done for the last 10, 20, 30 years ... but if you want your grandkids to have a good world, sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

You have to give them a viable option. you've presumed only two answers

The national anthem wasn't banned?

(11-18-2016 12:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody had to do it

https://youtu.be/OlBjZ8j8PWQ

Ok folks. I don't usually click on these things, but did this.

Bippidty-bump.

Everyone take a look and give SK the appropriate props for posting this gem. Do yourself a friday eve solid and watch lt the way through. The Philly, outreach and "I'm tired..." lines are effing priceless.

(11-18-2016 02:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think you would have a point, if the industry wasn't: a) already dying, and b) harmful to the world.

'b' is really what I mean, by voting for the common good. It might be a pretty large sacrifice, to give up the job you've done for the last 10, 20, 30 years ... but if you want your grandkids to have a good world, sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

You ever been to "coal country"? You have any idea, at all, about the condition some of those areas are currently in? The destruction? The despair?

I'll ask again, why do you hate poor people so much?

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Normally those who are calling for sacrifices to be made are the ones who won't be making the sacrifices."

For example, I voted for the Mpls Schools referendum, even though it was in my interest to vote against it (pay less taxes). But I voted for it, because that's better for the school district. I don't have kids in the district, either.

That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

QQ: Do you not think better schools is more in your interest than a little bit of property tax money?

(11-18-2016 06:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Normally those who are calling for sacrifices to be made are the ones who won't be making the sacrifices."
For example, I voted for the Mpls Schools referendum, even though it was in my interest to vote against it (pay less taxes). But I voted for it, because that's better for the school district. I don't have kids in the district, either.
That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

QQ: Do you not think better schools is more in your interest than a little bit of property tax money?

Of course, that assumes that more taxes would mean better schools. The problem is not that we don't have enough taxes, but that we spend the money very foolishly.

(11-18-2016 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 06:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 12:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "Normally those who are calling for sacrifices to be made are the ones who won't be making the sacrifices."
For example, I voted for the Mpls Schools referendum, even though it was in my interest to vote against it (pay less taxes). But I voted for it, because that's better for the school district. I don't have kids in the district, either.
That's how everyone should vote, IMO. What's best for the greater good, should always have more importance than what's selfishly good for yourself.

QQ: Do you not think better schools is more in your interest than a little bit of property tax money?

Of course, that assumes that more taxes would mean better schools. The problem is not that we don't have enough taxes, but that we spend the money very foolishly.

Here here.That's the MO of our city council and county.

I'm wondering what MplsBison thinks...

He's severely exaggerating his place in the system, but if those news sites are really getting that many likes and shares, there is something there--at least from a marketing perspective.

It wouldn't be the first time that a hoax has had some influence.

(11-18-2016 10:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

Quote:Honestly, people are definitely dumber. They just keep passing stuff around. Nobody fact-checks anything anymore

For people who agree with the above-quote -- and I definitely agree with it -- I'd like to ask how that happened. What caused it, etc.

I don't think people are dumber. Nobody has ever fact checked what they see, unless they had an unusual interest in doing so.

(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  That sounds great, until that is actually the situation you face.

I just showed that I did face it and still voted using what I believe to be the correct consideration.

(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  while the rest swing with the economy.

They have immediate responsibilities and they vote for their family.

You'd have a point if it was easy to show that voting for one candidate would immediately, positively affect their situation.

That they believe it will, does not mean it will.

(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  they should vote for someone who has promised to shut down the remaining coal capacity with no concrete plans or promises as to what happens to them or their family that they need to think about 'the common good' instead is unrealistic.

But they were given a concrete plan. They chose against protecting the greater good, instead.

(11-18-2016 05:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You have to give them a viable option.

They were given a better option, in my opinion.

(11-18-2016 06:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  why do you hate poor people so much?

I don't. I even offered that the govt could buy coal and then just not burn it.

You rejected that, because of your ideology. So really I should be asking you: why do you hate poor people?

(11-18-2016 06:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Do you not think better schools is more in your interest than a little bit of property tax money?

Didn't I already state that I chose to forgo more money in my pocket so that the school district could have more money?

You may need to restate/clarify the point you're trying to make.

(11-19-2016 12:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Didn't I already state that I chose to forgo more money in my pocket so that the school district could have more money?

You may need to restate/clarify the point you're trying to make.

My point is, that if you believe *YOU* benefit more from the schools getting money than money in your pocket.... You voted your own interest.

(11-19-2016 12:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  That sounds great, until that is actually the situation you face.

I just showed that I did face it and still voted using what I believe to be the correct consideration.

No you didn't. You gave up pennies, not your job. If you have a family, you gave up even less... and would have been asked to sacrifice even more if it was your job.

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(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  while the rest swing with the economy.

They have immediate responsibilities and they vote for their family.

You'd have a point if it was easy to show that voting for one candidate would immediately, positively affect their situation.

That they believe it will, does not mean it will.

Why does it have to be immediate? Why does it have to be positive (if the alternative is negative). and I'd tell you the same thing about 'beliefs'.

This is precisely the attitude that cost democrats the election. They expected people to vote against their own interests and they didn't offer ANY alternatives.

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(11-18-2016 05:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  they should vote for someone who has promised to shut down the remaining coal capacity with no concrete plans or promises as to what happens to them or their family that they need to think about 'the common good' instead is unrealistic.

But they were given a concrete plan. They chose against protecting the greater good, instead.

COncrete plan for THEM Bison. and no they weren't. Nobody can demonstrate that shutting down coal in the US will make any meaningful difference whatsoever. That's the problem with 'global warming'. You don't merely have to accept that man is negatively impacting the environment, but that this is somehow reversible by eliminating coal in the US. You can't even show that eliminating coal globally would reverse it... much less that you have the ability to do such a thing.

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(11-18-2016 05:36 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You have to give them a viable option.

They were given a better option, in my opinion.

Obviously they disagreed... and if you wouldn't have, then you don't have a family dependent upon your job.

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(11-18-2016 06:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  why do you hate poor people so much?

I don't. I even offered that the govt could buy coal and then just not burn it.

You rejected that, because of your ideology. So really I should be asking you: why do you hate poor people?

Democrats rejected that.

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(11-18-2016 06:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Do you not think better schools is more in your interest than a little bit of property tax money?

Didn't I already state that I chose to forgo more money in my pocket so that the school district could have more money?

You may need to restate/clarify the point you're trying to make.

His point is that while you don't have children, improving the schools in your area are STILL likely more in your personal interest than a little property tax money. Better schools are good for your property value and generally lead to better jobs and amenities in your community.

I'm still trying to figure out how a 1/2 of degree reduction in the global temperature increase over 50 years (which you can't even pretend to promise) is more important than putting food on your table tonight.

(11-18-2016 12:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "The coal miner in PA who usually votes D voting to keep his job wasn't doing that because he was a racist or xenophobe and the guy in Wisconsin voting to keep his gun wasn't either."

No, they were just voting for their own interests instead of the nation/world's interests.


Take that, nation/world.

So the coal minor and the Wisconsin gun owner are not allowed to be concerned about their families or rights?

Elitist point of view.