(05-29-2020 09:44 AM)Rice93 Wrote: Did you read the article that I posted on this topic?
I did, but it's forest:trees as far as I'm concerned.
The article basically says that the issues for Chicago are fairly complex... and that what works in LA or NY won't work in Chi. You have people on one side SEEMING to imply that gun laws don't work, but you also on the other side have people using this as an excuse to pass Federal (or at least more broad) laws.
How about Chicago fix those issues your article mentions that make them different from NY or LA and thus makes their gun laws so much less effective?
This is the problem with the left's solutions to this issue. Their solutions all involve imposing some sort of restrictions on 'others' so that we don't have to address the underlying problems.
How about this article?
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national...017/27140/
The top two sources of firearms recovered by police – Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale and Midwest Sporting Goods in Lyons – have been the source of a disproportionate number of weapons for the better part of a decade, according to the report, providing a combined 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago.
so 11% come from just two gun shops... IN ILLINOIS. Out of the top 10, only 3 aren't in Illinois.... and those 3 (collectively) account for about the same as those top two do individually.... and the 'fastest growing' sources are both in Illinois.
40% come from Illinois. 21% from Indiana. Mississippi is at 5.1% and everyone else is 4% or less.... and the top 10 go down to 2%... so there must be about another dozen or so sources. Where is the 'low-hanging fruit'?
Of course, these stats don't tell you how those guns got there... they just say where they were originally purchased. i seriously doubt if many of the guns from far-flung places like Alabama, Georgia and Texas were the result of people driving across the border to make a gun purchase that would be illegal in Illinois, that is legal there.... and more likely were just part of the standard flow of people and drugs (or whatever else is part of the 'crime').
And that's really my point. Illinois itself,
using data that focuses solely on 'original purchase information' completely controls their situation from soup to nuts on a minimum of 40% of their gun crimes. The guns were sold there... any transfers (legal OR illegal) took place there... and the ultimate crimes took place there. Another 20% from Indiana.... where defenders note that lots of people live there and work in Chicago.... and 40% came from (it seems) a dozen places... These guns from out of state could have transferred (legally OR illegally) in either state, or even a third. 95% were possessed by adults who weren't the original purchaser. It doesn't say how many of those sales were registered.
It would be one thing if 20% of the guns came from Illinois. It would be another thing if gun violence overall in Chicago were relatively low (as compared to other large cities). How about Illinois pass its own laws... and if necessary, work on some issues with Indiana police, at least those shops close to Illinois.
This is overwhelmingly a 'local' not a national issue.
First solve why Chicago is so violent
Second solve the local distribution
Illinois controls 100% of these issues.
Third reach out to Indiana, essentially saying... hey... we're going to get serious about addressing criminals which means they may come your way... let's work together
If you're successful there, THEN we can talk about 'Federal Intervention'.