I certainly think the impeachment is now entirely political. But I will listen to any evidence they want to present that it is only partially political or not political in the least.

I wonder what Democrats have against peace and prosperity.

of course, not one of them will come out and say they hate peace and prosperity. That would be like saying they hate sunrises and sleeping babies.
But many of the candidates support policies that will damage peace and/or prosperity, and the rank and file will vote for them blindly in November.

They say things like they are going to ban fracking nationally on the first day. They are going totax accumulated wealth in 401ks in addition to income form them. They are going to pass a wealth tax.

yeah, I would like to see cheaper drugs - but not at the cost of having my retirement funds taxed away to support free medical for illegals.

They want a return to foreign policy from before Trump - the foreign policy that made Russia unworried about us when they decided to invade Ukraine/Crimea,and that made Assad unworried when he decided to cross the US's red line. Thye foreign policy that kept North Korea and venezuela in check.

I guess yall are wondering what set OO off this time.

I gassed up my car.

It cost $2.00.9/gal. I wonder what it will go to after we ban fracking. $double? $triple? I wonder how that is going to help working Americans. But, sure, let's all vote for that.

I remember when gas first reached this level. back then, the Democrats were blaming President Bush, saying he was putting money in the pockets of his rich friends. Today, it looks to me as though President Trump is putting money in the pockets of every American.

yes, i wish Trump was nicer. I wish he wouldn't make fun of handicapped people. heck, I am one, and my sister is even more handicapped than I am.

But if the alternative is somebody who speaks nice but takes my retirement money while raising the cost of living, my choice is easy.

I wonder what Democrats have against peace and prosperity.

of course, not one of them will come out and say they hate peace and prosperity. That would be like saying they hate sunrises and sleeping babies.
But many of the candidates support policies that will damage peace and/or prosperity, and the rank and file will vote for them blindly in November.

They say things like they are going to ban fracking nationally on the first day. They are going to tax accumulated wealth in 401ks in addition to income from them. They are going to pass a wealth tax.

yeah, I would like to see cheaper drugs - but not at the cost of having my retirement funds taxed away to support free medical for illegals.

They want a return to foreign policy from before Trump - the foreign policy that made Russia unworried about us when they decided to invade Ukraine/Crimea,and that made Assad unworried when he decided to cross the US's red line. The foreign policy that kept North Korea and Venezuela in check. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

I guess yall are wondering what set OO off this time.

I gassed up my car.

It cost $2.00.9/gal. I wonder what it will go to after we ban fracking. $double? $triple? I wonder how that is going to help working Americans. But, sure, let's all vote for that.

I remember when gas first reached this level. back then, the Democrats were blaming President Bush, saying he was putting money in the pockets of his rich friends. Today, it looks to me as though President Trump is putting money in the pockets of every American.

yes, i wish Trump was nicer. I wish he wouldn't make fun of handicapped people. heck, I am one, and my sister is even more handicapped than I am.

But if the alternative is somebody who speaks nice but takes my retirement money while raising the cost of living, my choice is easy.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.

I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

(01-25-2020 02:25 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I wonder what Democrats have against peace and prosperity.

of course, not one of them will come out and say they hate peace and prosperity. That would be like saying they hate sunrises and sleeping babies.
But many of the candidates support policies that will damage peace and/or prosperity, and the rank and file will vote for them blindly in November.

They say things like they are going to ban fracking nationally on the first day. They are going to tax accumulated wealth in 401ks in addition to income from them. They are going to pass a wealth tax.

yeah, I would like to see cheaper drugs - but not at the cost of having my retirement funds taxed away to support free medical for illegals.

They want a return to foreign policy from before Trump - the foreign policy that made Russia unworried about us when they decided to invade Ukraine/Crimea,and that made Assad unworried when he decided to cross the US's red line. The foreign policy that kept North Korea and Venezuela in check. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

I guess yall are wondering what set OO off this time.

I gassed up my car.

It cost $2.00.9/gal. I wonder what it will go to after we ban fracking. $double? $triple? I wonder how that is going to help working Americans. But, sure, let's all vote for that.

I remember when gas first reached this level. back then, the Democrats were blaming President Bush, saying he was putting money in the pockets of his rich friends. Today, it looks to me as though President Trump is putting money in the pockets of every American.

yes, i wish Trump was nicer. I wish he wouldn't make fun of handicapped people. heck, I am one, and my sister is even more handicapped than I am.

But if the alternative is somebody who speaks nice but takes my retirement money while raising the cost of living, my choice is easy.

New poll showing Sanders in lead in Iowa:

Sanders

Funny, I was just listening to Klobuchar explaining why Sanders plans won't work on ABC's This Week with George Stephanoupoulos.

But it really doesn't matter to most of the Democrats if the plans would work or if they would have a negative impact - they will vote for a blue panda running against Trump. Even if (especially if?) the panda is a socialist.

(01-25-2020 02:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.

I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

Totally lesser of evils for me. Libertarian if I can, Trump if I must.

(01-25-2020 02:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.

I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

Mayor Pete and Biden are the lesser evils, if you have to put it that way. They're going to be like Obama and govern as close to the middle as they can for a modern Democrat.

Unlike Trump, who is going further and further to the right with each passing day. A vote for Trump means you could care less about your children and grandchildren's future from an ecological standpoint. Enjoy your money while you still can, I guess, and screw the next generations.

(01-26-2020 02:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.

I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

Totally lesser of evils for me. Libertarian if I can, Trump if I must.

I have been told that based on my preferences on issues, I would be more at home with the Libertarian party. Probably so, but until they can mount a challenge , I consider it a symbolic choice.

I am not a member of the Republican party. I carry no card, I make no contributions, I go to no meetings. I vote for the lesser evil, and that has been the GOP in all national or statewide races for a long time. Doesn't mean I think they are perfect - just better. Amazing to me that liberals try to get me to vote against my interests or what I consider the interests of the country on the basis of manners. I will not base my vote on anything so shallow.

Trump is doing a good job on the matters I want handled, and so I will vote on his track record, especially since it has all been done in the face of a horde of people after him for specious reasons.

In the circles I move in - blue collar workers and small businesspeople - he has a lot of approval. To the point that those who oppose him keep their own counsel.

I wonder if Schumer is dreaming of using this impeachment to move up to Majority Leader? Or is he just motivated by a lust for justice? I think the former. he doesn't seem that pure to me. But the motive generally seems to be enhance the Dems chances in 2020 - win a few extra races. It sure isn't to remove him.

I guess for some people, that makes me the enemy. I am proud to the enemy of socialism.

(01-26-2020 03:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.
But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.
I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

Mayor Pete and Biden are the lesser evils, if you have to put it that way. They're going to be like Obama and govern as close to the middle as they can for a modern Democrat.

They are lesser evils than Bernie and Fauxcohontas. But not much less. Each of them has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me.

And any suggestion that Obama governed anywhere near the middle is patently absurd. Maybe somewhere close to YOUR middle, but nowhere near THE middle.

Quote:Unlike Trump, who is going further and further to the right with each passing day. A vote for Trump means you could care less about your children and grandchildren's future from an ecological standpoint. Enjoy your money while you still can, I guess, and screw the next generations.

This is even more absurd than your “Obama the centrist” assertion. Exactly where has Trump moved further to the right since he was inaugurated?

I realize that you don’t like him. Neither do I. But he doesn’t have any drop-dead show-stopper issue positions for me. That makes him the lesser evil to me.

(01-26-2020 03:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  govern as close to the middle as they can for a modern Democrat.

Lolz. Mic drop. That is like saying, a person has as good a palate as one can for a cannibal.

(01-26-2020 03:33 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(01-26-2020 03:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  govern as close to the middle as they can for a modern Democrat.

Lolz. Mic drop. That is like saying, a person has as good a palate as one can for a cannibal.

The reason for the terminology is that modern democrats are nowhere near the middle and have zero interest in going there.

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Exactly where has Trump moved further to the right since he was inaugurated?

He was the first president to ever speak at the March For Life Rally the other day. You honestly think that Trump is pro-life, or ever has been in his life? He's probably paid for more abortions personally than all other presidents combined.

(01-26-2020 03:58 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Exactly where has Trump moved further to the right since he was inaugurated?

He was the first president to ever speak at the March For Life Rally the other day. You honestly think that Trump is pro-life, or ever has been in his life? He's probably paid for more abortions personally than all other presidents combined.

Well I’m pretty conservative and I’m pro-choice with limitations, so that doesn’t really do much for me. You and I both know that’s more for show than substantive. I’m talking about serious, substantive policy moves and I don’t see them.

(01-26-2020 03:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-25-2020 02:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not a fan of Donald Trump. I don’t like his personality or style, and I have significant disagreement with two of his major issue positions—tariffs and the wall. If there were a viable alternative, I would support it.

But democrats are giving me no viable alternatives. Every single democrat in the presidential field has at least two or three issue positions that are absolute drop-dead show-stoppers for me. They are all far worse than Donald Trump to me.

As I have said before, the election is a choice of the lesser evil. I will vote on that basis.

I am sure our left-wing friends will too. I would be curious to know on what basis they think the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be, will be the lesser evil. Economic policy? Foreign policy? Politeness?

Mayor Pete and Biden are the lesser evils, if you have to put it that way. They're going to be like Obama and govern as close to the middle as they can for a modern Democrat.

Unlike Trump, who is going further and further to the right with each passing day. A vote for Trump means you could care less about your children and grandchildren's future from an ecological standpoint. Enjoy your money while you still can, I guess, and screw the next generations.

Lesser than Warren or Sanders, not lesser than Trump.

I look at the future from more than one standpoint.

I know that you put "climate change" above all else. I hope my great-grandkids don't have to slop through sea water on their way to Pike's Peak. If they do, at least they will have the money for a boat. But I also hope they have the money to live a good life and not have to depend on the government. I think what I fear is way more likely than what you fear.

Yeah, it will be warmer in Houston in 20 years. Will Houston in 2040 be warmer than Panama or Ridyah or Lagos or Mexico City or Indonesia now? People live in some mighty hot places. How about Bombay in 1855? Egypt in 1816?

Man adapts. Man adapts better if he has money.

But if your kids have some money to buy AC, that will make it easier for them. Go ahead and give all your money to environmental causes if you want. I plan to give my money to my family, as much as the leftists will allow me.

(01-26-2020 03:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A vote for Trump means you could care less about your children and grandchildren's future from an ecological standpoint. Enjoy your money while you still can, I guess, and screw the next generations.

I can respect this criticism from FBO, as it based on the same thing as my criticism of him and all the other left-wingers here - namely, the issues a person supports through the people they support.

Who here supports a complete ban on fracking? It is the same people who would vote for Warren v. Trump.

Who does not? Me. I think it unfounded hysteria. It would damage our economy and make us once again dependent on foreign oil. So, in a Trump v. Warren race, I will vote for Trump.

FBO places environmental issues at the top of his concern list(correct me if I am wrong, FBO). I place tax and fiscal policy at the top of mine. I guess each of us has issues we consider the most important. It appears politeness and decorum in the office of POTUS is a big one for some people.

Truth is, FBO, although I know this is not what you meant, I really could care less about the ecology, meaning that I care, just not to your maximum level, and I also could care more. But I think that blasting our economy back to the level of Guatamala is not going to help our grandchildren(in my case, great grandchildren) cope. It is telling that you tell me to enjoy my money "while I can". I don't have much longer, and of course I want to spend my final years not worrying about finances.(not there yet) But i also want my kids, grandkids, and greatgrandkids to enjoy the same freedom from financial worry. I want them to have jobs that can enable them to live well.

So I salute you, for taking a stand on an issue. We are just alike in principle, you and I, we just choose different issues.

Interesting aside to the environmental issue: I was watching on NatGeo or BBC or some such network a documentary about polar bears.

This one population has adapted to a new food source, since the lack of sea ice is preventing them from hunting seals.

They hunt Beluga whales. They stand on a rock nearly or barely covered by the sea, and wait for a whale to swim close, then they pounce. I think in a few years, Beluga will be their "natural" food source.

No word on how the seals are doing in the absence of being hunted by bears. I presume better.

But I think the lesson is the same as it was 10,000 years ago, when we were warming from an Ice Age - adapt or die. That is why we have caribou but no woolly mammoths. Ostriches but no saber toothed cats.

Yes, if I could keep the world from changing I would. I don't like change. But it is happening, no matter what we in the US do. For us, as well as polar bears, it is adapt or die.

(01-25-2020 10:41 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 04:44 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I mean, it is election season and they are running against Trump (as well as each other). But for the most part they are not the ones involved in impeachment decisions. If I had to guess, I would guess that Bernie, Warren, and Klobuchar would rather be in Iowa than dealing with impeachment right now.

Let me say it differently...

The part I was responding to was 'I disagree with every word you wrote' to OO... because I don't really think you do.

I disagreed with every sentence of that single post by OO, the comment was limited to that single post of his.

(01-24-2020 04:41 PM)mrbig Wrote:  As a side note, purposefully or not, OO seems to have blocked me. He sent me a kind and respectful PM yesterday morning and I couldn't respond because I'm on his block list. So it occurs to me that he isn't seeing any of my responses to his comments.

You are right, I have you on ignore. I did so in response to ...I don't remember.

You are not the first to go my ignore list, nor will you be the first to come back off it.

I open most of your posts anyway, so I will take off my ignore list.

(01-24-2020 04:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The only reason for this 2020 impeachment is to try influence the 2020 election.

There will be a need for another quick impeachment before the midterms in 2022, again for political reasons. It's a dead solid perfectly sure thing if they win the Senate, scaling back to 90% if they don't. The entire Democratic party existence now is based on beating Trump. I don't know if the Dems will let it rest after two failed impeachments They might be willing to let it go because he cannot run again in 2024. Maybe then they will leave the selection of a President in the hands of the voters. But they seem to know nothing else to do.

AOC will be the Dem candidate in 2024. I wonder who the Republicans will run?

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with every sentence you wrote. I'm entitled to my opinion and I don't see anything to gain from a back-and-forth about it. As I have said repeatedly, my opinion is that the conservatives on this board have a very poor understanding of how most democrats think, what they want, and how they work. IMHO, you do a lot better job explaining your own opinions that you do explaining what you think democrats want or how democrats think.

Bump, for those of us who have forgotten what is is all about.

support for my first sentence