(01-06-2020 11:50 AM)mrbig Wrote: I have seen zero evidence that Talib, Omar, or AOC would even think of doing anything close to supporting terrorists. They might have a different view of what makes America great than you, but so do I. If you think they are supporting terrorists, then I guess I am as well. Call DOJ and let them know I should be fired or investigated. Guess I was able to sneak through the 3 FBI background checks I have gone though. When I chant U-S-A and you chant U-S-A, I understand that we might be cheering for slightly different ideals. But I never doubt that you love our country, and it saddens me that some of you think that numerous fellow country-persons hate our country.
I don't doubt that you chant U-S-A, or that you mean it. I do not believe that you would ever willingly support death to America, nor do I believe that Lad or anybody else that I know on this board would.
But I simply cannot fathom your bolded statement. I think they have gone beyond any reasonable bounds to express opinions that suggest very strongly, to me at least, that they would in fact support terrorism and terrorists, if they are not already in fact doing so, in order to achieve their goals. Whether their goals explicitly call for death to America may be debatable, but I see no basis for any doubt that achieving their goals would effect a de facto death to USA. I could see a statement that you don't find the evidence compelling, but I simply cannot comprehend how you can say that you see nothing.
Quote:You are wrong about that and I hope you some day realize it, even if it comes with higher taxes on the wealthy and big business, more regulations on big business, a cleaner environment, and a more peaceful world.
I am fully supportive of a cleaner environment and a more peaceful world, although we probably differ on how to get there. But no matter how much you want to push the class warfare against those evil rich people and corporations, it's a fact of life that they have options to go elsewhere in the world, and if we treat them worse than those other places they will move there (have been to some extent for decades) and the effect will be to hurt us more than them. Most of Europe deals with them with carrots, not sticks. If we want to remain competitive, we need to do the same.
Quote:OO - fair point about civility. You suggesting I support people who chant "Death to America" drove me over an edge more easily then I suspected. That said, I consider you accusation to be significantly worse than if you had told me to go F myself, so relatively speaking, you are still taking the "treat others like Mr. Hanky" cake. While I occasionally gain some insight interacting with other right-of-center persons on this board, I honestly gain nothing from interacting with you (other than heartburn). So I'll try not to do it unless I see a way where we could both do so constructively.
There is a distinction that needs to be made here. I don't believe, and I don't think OO believes, that you support death to America. But there are people that both OO and believe, and I think reasonably so, do support death to America, and I think that you and Lad, among others have made statements in support of them, perhaps on other issues, but support nevertheless.
Quote:Here's a fun thought. I think home grown white supremacists pose as big of a threat to the US as Iran right now. They kill more Americans and inflict more terror within our borders. Iran certainly has more sophistication and organization than the white supremacists, but their threat is less immediately prevalent and is not as internally divisive. As proven by Helmut Zemo, it can be more effective to divide us from within so we destroy ourselves.
I think Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren and AOC and Tlaib and Omar and Pressley, among others, pose a larger treat to the US than white supremacsts or Iran or Russia or China or North Korea.
