(09-18-2019 01:27 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: Tanq - where did I ever talk about falling wages?
Look, I get that you're trying to make an issue that doesn't exist, and try and catch me in a gotcha, but it didn't happen. I've been pretty explicit about stagnant wages and rising costs. I then clarified for everyone that I was using real dollars, and already considering inflation into those comparisons.
Great, thank you for clearing that up. No it was *not* clear. I suggest you be a tad more precise.
The better way to say it is 'stagnant wages and rising *selected* costs'. Sorry I am not prescient -- I dont magically read limiting adjectives into unmodified nouns for the most part.
Quote:You take that to mean I was contradicting my original statement about stagnant wages and rising costs - but it doesn't, given that the wages and costs I highlighted (education, healthcare, and housing), when taking inflation into consideration, were flat and increasing (respectively). Sorry that you thought I was talking about wages or costs without respect to inflation, I clarified that long ago and have not bounced around at all.
Well to be blunt, I have already jumped on you about cherry picking education previously. And you got somewhat defensive about that.
And yes, education costs are a problem. No doubt. That is precisely what happens when large wads of free or low cost debt enters into any market. I have never been in favor of the wads of cash debt thrown at education. Learned that 35 years ago with real estate and never to buy into a market with low interest.
The other two arent exclusively 'millennial issues'. Housing and health are common across age groups. If you want to blunt about it, health issues to millennials are pikers compared to older age groups. I wouldnt stake your battleground there, to be honest. Nor to housing.
And also to be blunt, with the exception of education, every single issue that you point out as being 'oh so woe is me' and owned by the millennials and the like the way that the societal guilt of slavery is still owned and held like sword by the African American community, the experiences of the millenials have zero difference with *any* other group that faced either a systemic or localized economic downturn. Zero.
Yep, 2008 sucked. I found myself without a job, and wondering where in the hell I was going to get my bills paid. Not the first time in my life that happened. Sometimes much earlier in my life even worse economic headwinds.
So yes, I sympathize with the plight of the millennials because of 2008. I also sympathize with literally 20 some odd % of the legal profession that got cast aside for at least a couple of years. Many older ones a lot longer. Many my age will *never* work in a W2 position in the legal industry ever.
I also sympathize with the vast number of financial industry people that got sidelined. Many permanently because of it.
But no, I do not empathize with your millenial woes because they have these unique and 'special' circumstances. 2008 sucked rocks --- big fat hairy ones. For LOTS of people. Just like 1983 sucked serious rocks for anyone in petrochemical or oil exploration. Or for any number of similar situations across the years.
Quote:And you can continue to jump onto OO's bandwagon and assign these emotions to my statements, that's your perogarive. It makes for good conversation.
How else do you explain this passage:
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but I at least recognize that the hand we've been dealt as two generations has some issues that need to be addressed.
What 'hand' has been 'dealt'? Who 'screwed' you all? What is this group 'owed'? I mean lad, that is the language of very deep seated angst. But seriously, what exactly is seemingly 'owed', to 'whom' and by 'whom'?
There is an emotion within that language there that seemingly owns a deep-seated level of 'something' being entitled, what exactly is is that?
And you have to admit, that language is *pure* emotion, there is nothing objective in slightest about it. So please dont chide me on addressing that emotional element when items like that are thrown in with the rest.