(07-13-2019 06:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  In my previous position, I was a partner in a small business that had > 150 employees. These were pre-ACA days. One of the worst meetings of every year was deciding just how crappy of an insurance plan we could in good faith offer our employees. With each passing year even the so-so plans became prohibitively expensive.

My experience was similar, yet different. our plan was never crappy. but when we started we cover the entire cost -employee AND dependents. As it grew progessively more expensive Over the years, we had to make the employees contribute , up to half.

but we always had good coverage, and since they were geoup policies, pre-existing comditioms were not excluded. I have no idea why you had to choose a crappy policy.

Yeah, but so what? In 93's world, your and my experience is merely the anecdotes of two guys on Parliament, whereas his experience is that of "most people".

(07-14-2019 03:19 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 06:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  In my previous position, I was a partner in a small business that had > 150 employees. These were pre-ACA days. One of the worst meetings of every year was deciding just how crappy of an insurance plan we could in good faith offer our employees. With each passing year even the so-so plans became prohibitively expensive.

My experience was similar, yet different. our plan was never crappy. but when we started we cover the entire cost -employee AND dependents. As it grew progessively more expensive Over the years, we had to make the employees contribute , up to half.

but we always had good coverage, and since they were geoup policies, pre-existing comditioms were not excluded. I have no idea why you had to choose a crappy policy.

Yeah, but so what? In 93's world, your and my experience is merely the anecdotes of two guys on Parliament, whereas his experience is that of "most people".

It's funny that you would use this thread to accuse me of this. Specific to this health care discussion I asked "the other side" to let me know what their experience with the ACA was. I shared my own experience and never suggested that it was somehow universal.

(07-14-2019 03:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 03:19 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 06:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  In my previous position, I was a partner in a small business that had > 150 employees. These were pre-ACA days. One of the worst meetings of every year was deciding just how crappy of an insurance plan we could in good faith offer our employees. With each passing year even the so-so plans became prohibitively expensive.

My experience was similar, yet different. our plan was never crappy. but when we started we cover the entire cost -employee AND dependents. As it grew progessively more expensive Over the years, we had to make the employees contribute , up to half.

but we always had good coverage, and since they were geoup policies, pre-existing comditioms were not excluded. I have no idea why you had to choose a crappy policy.

Yeah, but so what? In 93's world, your and my experience is merely the anecdotes of two guys on Parliament, whereas his experience is that of "most people".

It's funny that you would use this thread to accuse me of this. Specific to this health care discussion I asked "the other side" to let me know what their experience with the ACA was. I shared my own experience and never suggested that it was somehow universal.

Please dont ever use the word "universal" in any discussion about health care policy.

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

Terrible look, agreed.

His tweet actually said "“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen" -- but you have magically not just put in a specific number, but also seemingly identified everyone in fully.

Being prescient? Exercising your obviously smarter progressive intellect?

But, my view is that the Democrats are currently embroiled in a civil war (not a war between the states) so entertaining that you have one sub-sect calling each another racist and threatening to primary one another.

For the first time since their election, the self-described “squad” of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her minions are on their heels, having benen taken down notch, and not sure how to actually react to the incoming fire.

Hell, even the liberal media are infighting about which side to take as the volleys are launched.

But, as Democrats seemingly fight a(n) (un)civil war, somehow Trump strips naked and runs into the battlefield.

(07-14-2019 04:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 03:25 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 03:19 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 06:54 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 10:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  In my previous position, I was a partner in a small business that had > 150 employees. These were pre-ACA days. One of the worst meetings of every year was deciding just how crappy of an insurance plan we could in good faith offer our employees. With each passing year even the so-so plans became prohibitively expensive.

My experience was similar, yet different. our plan was never crappy. but when we started we cover the entire cost -employee AND dependents. As it grew progessively more expensive Over the years, we had to make the employees contribute , up to half.

but we always had good coverage, and since they were geoup policies, pre-existing comditioms were not excluded. I have no idea why you had to choose a crappy policy.

Yeah, but so what? In 93's world, your and my experience is merely the anecdotes of two guys on Parliament, whereas his experience is that of "most people".

It's funny that you would use this thread to accuse me of this. Specific to this health care discussion I asked "the other side" to let me know what their experience with the ACA was. I shared my own experience and never suggested that it was somehow universal.

Please dont ever use the word "universal" in any discussion about health care policy.

d'oh!

(07-14-2019 04:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

Terrible look, agreed.

His tweet actually said "“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen" -- but you have magically not just put in a specific number, but also seemingly identified everyone in fully.

Being prescient? Exercising your obviously smarter progressive intellect?

But, my view is that the Democrats are currently embroiled in a civil war (not a war between the states) so entertaining that you have one sub-sect calling each another racist and threatening to primary one another.

For the first time since their election, the self-described “squad” of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her minions are on their heels, having benen taken down notch, and not sure how to actually react to the incoming fire.

Hell, even the liberal media are infighting about which side to take as the volleys are launched.

But, as Democrats seemingly fight a(n) (un)civil war, somehow Trump strips naked and runs into the battlefield.

Agreed. Except for the smarter progressive intellect part. It was pretty clear which congresswomen were being targeted. Most people have no problem identifying which ones (see what I did there?).

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

I said that it was a pretty bad look. You brought up racism.

Quote:Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I didn't really consider ANYBODY who posts on this forum on a regular basis to be part of Trump's base.

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

(07-14-2019 06:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

I said that it was a pretty bad look. You brought up racism.

Quote:Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I didn't really consider ANYBODY who posts on this forum on a regular basis to be part of Trump's base.

You do realize that you called Trump's base effectively Hillary's comment of 'deplorables', right?

Albeit in a watered down and oblique way. But you *do* recognize that, correct?

If not, let me just tell you that you just did.

(07-14-2019 06:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

I said that it was a pretty bad look. You brought up racism.

Quote:Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I didn't really consider ANYBODY who posts on this forum on a regular basis to be part of Trump's base.

You do realize that you called Trump's base effectively Hillary's comment of 'deplorables', right?

Albeit in a watered down and oblique way. But you *do* recognize that, correct?

If not, let me just tell you that you just did.

I said that Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric. I don’t think that is equivalent to Hillary’s deplorable’s comments. I don’t even think that is a very controversial statement to be honest.

I did not say that Trump’s base is 100% racist. You guys are really having an extrapolation field day with this.

Perhaps I should make it clear that I do not equate Trump’s base with every person who voted for Trump. I assumed that was a given.

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

(07-14-2019 06:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

I said that it was a pretty bad look. You brought up racism.

Quote:Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I didn't really consider ANYBODY who posts on this forum on a regular basis to be part of Trump's base.

You do realize that you called Trump's base effectively Hillary's comment of 'deplorables', right?

Albeit in a watered down and oblique way. But you *do* recognize that, correct?

If not, let me just tell you that you just did.

I said that Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric. I don’t think that is equivalent to Hillary’s deplorable’s comments. I don’t even think that is a very controversial statement to be honest.

I did not say that Trump’s base is 100% racist. You guys are really having an extrapolation field day with this.

Hillary didnt say trumps supporter's were 100 per cent deplorables, either.

93, recognize the fact that you are really doing a 'Hillary deplorable' statement here, looking down your nose at them.

Your statement first says 'Trump is a racist' by delineating with the 'not even from another country.' Don't you even recognize that? Lol, cmon man.

Then you go further and say, 'well stands to reason that his base will appreciate the racism in that comment'.

Again, either you recognize what you are stating, or you dont. Neither one of them is a good place to be, mind you.

If you dont, then your 'foot in the mouth' is really no worse than Trump's in that regard. I find this rather entertaining.

Yep, no smug, condescending issues *anywhere* in those statements. Double lolz.

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

(07-14-2019 09:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Pretty bad look this morning for Trump to tell four US Congresswomen to “go back where they came from” via tweet. Three of these Congresswomen were born in the United States. Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base.

There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

Definitely not walking back my statement.

It's funny that you mention "smug". I've noticed that you guys have no problem making sweeping statements about the left however the minute Lad or I point out something less-than-favorable about the right a chorus of "How very smug! How condescending" rains down.

We'll have to agree to disagree that my statement was somehow equivalent to the Deplorables comment.

Quote:And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

It's amazing that you are so powerfully confident in my intentions despite you being told by me that you are wrong about my intentions.

Quote:Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

You guys are so very sensitive to being called racists by the left that you are quick to consider almost any comment as tantamount to being called a racist. Quintuple lolz.

I didn't call anybody a racist. When I read Trump's tweet I didn't think, "What a racist!". I thought, "What a sh***y person!" You apparently think that Trump's tweets were obviously racist or you wouldn't be so wound up by this. Is the fact that the president is putting out tweets that you consider floridly racist a problem for you?

Here is my verbatim quote" "Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base." Do you disagree with this? Is this statement offensive to you? If so, why?

(07-14-2019 10:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  There ya go, insinuating we are all racists.

Personally, I would have preferred he did not make this tweet. so, 93, does that mean I am not part of,his base, or am I merely lying?

Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

Definitely not walking back my statement.

It's funny that you mention "smug". I've noticed that you guys have no problem making sweeping statements about the left however the minute Lad or I point out something less-than-favorable about the right a chorus of "How very smug! How condescending" rains down.

We'll have to agree to disagree that my statement was somehow equivalent to the Deplorables comment.

Quote:And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

It's amazing that you are so powerfully confident in my intentions despite you being told by me that you are wrong about my intentions.

Quote:Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

You guys are so very sensitive to being called racists by the left that you are quick to consider almost any comment as tantamount to being called a racist. Quintuple lolz.

I didn't call anybody a racist. When I read Trump's tweet I didn't think, "What a racist!". I thought, "What a sh***y person!" You apparently think that Trump's tweets were obviously racist or you wouldn't be so wound up by this. Is the fact that the president is putting out tweets that you consider floridly racist a problem for you?

Here is my verbatim quote" "Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base." Do you disagree with this? Is this statement offensive to you? If so, why?

I too find Trump's comments crass and ******. I am glad that the tagline about the Congresswomen that were born in the United States has zero racial component in it. The 6 or so liberal commentators in blogs, opinion pieces, and TV that I have seen who have parroted that sentence almost verbatim all have more explicitly injected the racial component into the statement. Thank you for injecting it in such a benign manner when hardly anyone else has chosen to do so. Evocative of Mother Theresa I must say....

I find someone who states that Trump supporters will lap this up as smug and condescending. To a very large degree in fact. More artful and oblique that Hillary's method of doing so, but pretty much the same.

Odd you cant wrap your head around that. Actually, after pause, let me change that to I'm not surprised.

You arent helping your case with all your thrashing, I hope you know.

So your comment is now self-defined by you as 'Trump supporters are the type of people who will lap up ****** and crass comments'. Do you think that is any better of a case for you on the 'smug and condescending' verdict opined here earlier?

Thank you for admitting that your first reaction was that the comments were ******. And that "[i]t seems that this type of [sh-tty] language is appreciated by his base." Is that a fair quote of your stance? Anything there you want to change after your deep explanation?

I dont see any reason to move off my characterization of your comment as 'smug' and nothing short of utterly 'condescending' to Trump supporters with your further clarification on your personal view of the tweet. It actually kind of buttresses it when one reads your full explanation.

(07-15-2019 12:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?
But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”
Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”
Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”
Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

Definitely not walking back my statement.
It's funny that you mention "smug". I've noticed that you guys have no problem making sweeping statements about the left however the minute Lad or I point out something less-than-favorable about the right a chorus of "How very smug! How condescending" rains down.
We'll have to agree to disagree that my statement was somehow equivalent to the Deplorables comment.

Quote:And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

It's amazing that you are so powerfully confident in my intentions despite you being told by me that you are wrong about my intentions.

Quote:Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

You guys are so very sensitive to being called racists by the left that you are quick to consider almost any comment as tantamount to being called a racist. Quintuple lolz.
I didn't call anybody a racist. When I read Trump's tweet I didn't think, "What a racist!". I thought, "What a sh***y person!" You apparently think that Trump's tweets were obviously racist or you wouldn't be so wound up by this. Is the fact that the president is putting out tweets that you consider floridly racist a problem for you?
Here is my verbatim quote" "Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base." Do you disagree with this? Is this statement offensive to you? If so, why?

I too find Trump's comments crass and ******.
I find someone who states that Trump supporters will lap this up as smug and condescending. To a very large degree in fact. More artful and oblique that Hillary's method of doing so, but pretty much the same.
Odd you cant wrap your head around that. Actually, after pause, let me change that to I'm not surprised.
You arent helping your case with all your thrashing, I hope you know.
And, no offense, your comment about the tweet being 'hard edged about immigration policy' is utter bull**** ---- you just noted that with your characterization as '******'.
So your comment is now self-defined by you as 'Trump supporters are the type of people who will lap up ****** and crass comments'. Do you think that is any better of a case for you on the 'smug and condescending' verdict opined here earlier?

I really don't think the leftists understand how badly their comments play with anyone who is not one of their fellow travelers.

(07-15-2019 12:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 06:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Yep, that implication is decidedly there in 93's comment. Honestly, I think the tweet was spot on if it referred to Ilhan Omar, considering the absolute vitriol she expresses to the United States as a whole. Does that make me a racist?

But 93 is definitely making a comment that detracts from his exchange with George re: smug and believing that they are smarter. I found that comment quite entertaining given that. Glad you did as well.

George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

Definitely not walking back my statement.

It's funny that you mention "smug". I've noticed that you guys have no problem making sweeping statements about the left however the minute Lad or I point out something less-than-favorable about the right a chorus of "How very smug! How condescending" rains down.

We'll have to agree to disagree that my statement was somehow equivalent to the Deplorables comment.

Quote:And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

It's amazing that you are so powerfully confident in my intentions despite you being told by me that you are wrong about my intentions.

Quote:Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

You guys are so very sensitive to being called racists by the left that you are quick to consider almost any comment as tantamount to being called a racist. Quintuple lolz.

I didn't call anybody a racist. When I read Trump's tweet I didn't think, "What a racist!". I thought, "What a sh***y person!" You apparently think that Trump's tweets were obviously racist or you wouldn't be so wound up by this. Is the fact that the president is putting out tweets that you consider floridly racist a problem for you?

Here is my verbatim quote" "Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base." Do you disagree with this? Is this statement offensive to you? If so, why?

I too find Trump's comments crass and ******. I am glad that the tagline about the Congresswomen that were born in the United States has zero racial component in it. The 6 or so liberal commentators in blogs, opinion pieces, and TV that I have seen who have parroted that sentence almost verbatim all have more explicitly injected the racial component into the statement. Thank you for injecting it in such a benign manner when hardly anyone else has chosen to do so. Evocative of Mother Theresa I must say....

I find someone who states that Trump supporters will lap this up as smug and condescending. To a very large degree in fact. More artful and oblique that Hillary's method of doing so, but pretty much the same.

Odd you cant wrap your head around that. Actually, after pause, let me change that to I'm not surprised.

You arent helping your case with all your thrashing, I hope you know.

So your comment is now self-defined by you as 'Trump supporters are the type of people who will lap up ****** and crass comments'. Do you think that is any better of a case for you on the 'smug and condescending' verdict opined here earlier?

Thank you for admitting that your first reaction was that the comments were ******. And that "[i]t seems that this type of [sh-tty] language is appreciated by his base." Is that a fair quote of your stance? Anything there you want to change after your deep explanation?

I dont see any reason to move off my characterization of your comment as 'smug' and nothing short of utterly 'condescending' to Trump supporters with your further clarification on your personal view of the tweet. It actually kind of buttresses it when one reads your full explanation.

Tanq - do you think these are comments his base will denounce? Or even say they think they’re wrong? There is a ton of evidence that his base loves when he isn’t “politically correct” and “tells it like it is.” And when he has said similarly, inflamatory things, his fervent base eats it up.

(07-15-2019 01:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 12:22 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 10:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:05 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  George: “Many liberals think that minorities are stupid.”

Me: “Trump’s base seems to appreciate his harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric.”

Tanq: *clutches pearls* “How could you, Rice93?”

Beautiful, Tanq.

Im just pointing out you just made one of those smug, condescending statements that we had a discussion about previously. And while not as 'in your face' (i.e. the 'oblique' language I used), it pretty much is the same as Hillary's deplorable comment both in terms of a mindset and whom she believed had that mindset as a general rule. Now you are furiously backtracking into some diplomatic version to cover your ass now that it was called out. Triple lolz.

Definitely not walking back my statement.

It's funny that you mention "smug". I've noticed that you guys have no problem making sweeping statements about the left however the minute Lad or I point out something less-than-favorable about the right a chorus of "How very smug! How condescending" rains down.

We'll have to agree to disagree that my statement was somehow equivalent to the Deplorables comment.

Quote:And no, its not a "how could you", its "Bravo, knew it was in you", followed by some hearty chuckling at this end to see you try and walk away from it without your bare ass hanging out.

It's amazing that you are so powerfully confident in my intentions despite you being told by me that you are wrong about my intentions.

Quote:Yep, I am *sure* your explicit calling out of people as 'not being from here' had *everything* to do with immigration policy. Quadruple lolz.

You guys are so very sensitive to being called racists by the left that you are quick to consider almost any comment as tantamount to being called a racist. Quintuple lolz.

I didn't call anybody a racist. When I read Trump's tweet I didn't think, "What a racist!". I thought, "What a sh***y person!" You apparently think that Trump's tweets were obviously racist or you wouldn't be so wound up by this. Is the fact that the president is putting out tweets that you consider floridly racist a problem for you?

Here is my verbatim quote" "Not sure if this will affect him negatively from a political standpoint. It seems that this type of language is appreciated by his base." Do you disagree with this? Is this statement offensive to you? If so, why?

I too find Trump's comments crass and ******. I am glad that the tagline about the Congresswomen that were born in the United States has zero racial component in it. The 6 or so liberal commentators in blogs, opinion pieces, and TV that I have seen who have parroted that sentence almost verbatim all have more explicitly injected the racial component into the statement. Thank you for injecting it in such a benign manner when hardly anyone else has chosen to do so. Evocative of Mother Theresa I must say....

I find someone who states that Trump supporters will lap this up as smug and condescending. To a very large degree in fact. More artful and oblique that Hillary's method of doing so, but pretty much the same.

Odd you cant wrap your head around that. Actually, after pause, let me change that to I'm not surprised.

You arent helping your case with all your thrashing, I hope you know.

So your comment is now self-defined by you as 'Trump supporters are the type of people who will lap up ****** and crass comments'. Do you think that is any better of a case for you on the 'smug and condescending' verdict opined here earlier?

Thank you for admitting that your first reaction was that the comments were ******. And that "[i]t seems that this type of [sh-tty] language is appreciated by his base." Is that a fair quote of your stance? Anything there you want to change after your deep explanation?

I dont see any reason to move off my characterization of your comment as 'smug' and nothing short of utterly 'condescending' to Trump supporters with your further clarification on your personal view of the tweet. It actually kind of buttresses it when one reads your full explanation.

Tanq - do you think these are comments his base will denounce? Or even say they think they’re wrong? There is a ton of evidence that his base loves when he isn’t “politically correct” and “tells it like it is.” And when he has said similarly, inflamatory things, his fervent base eats it up.

lad --- do you think that the comments that Trump made have a racial component? Yes or no.

I mean, cut the crap about dancing around the issue with words like "politically correct" and "tells it like it is" and "hard-edged comments on the relative issues in immigration" that you two are now putting forth.

Please do tell what comments he has made that are so 'similar' and 'inflammatory' to be such exacting comparables in your statement. All ears here.

As for your questions, Ive noted several conservative political commentators that have expressly stated that they were wrong. But the issue isnt that, it is the comments that 93 has made that the drool buckets that are ostensibly Trump supporters will eat this up, and if I am not mistaken you are joining that chorus? Smug bug seems to be prevalent these days, bad contagion rate?