(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:26 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Well for a recent example, there is a teenager from Kentucky who is suing many major media outlets for just this sort of presentation, isnt there?

As for the bolded, I find that refreshing. Especially from one who tosses the 'more evil' tag at one side of the Antifa/Alt-right dustups with zero compunction.

Well, I definitely have no issue trying to say that some groups with smaller populations that coalesce around more finite ideas are better or worse. The term liberal and conservative casts a VERY wide net.

But I'm not against the idea of labeling things are evil, more evil, etc. That would be silly. Neo-Nazis are definitely a worse group than, say, cosplayers.

Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Well, I definitely have no issue trying to say that some groups with smaller populations that coalesce around more finite ideas are better or worse. The term liberal and conservative casts a VERY wide net.

But I'm not against the idea of labeling things are evil, more evil, etc. That would be silly. Neo-Nazis are definitely a worse group than, say, cosplayers.

Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

(05-30-2019 04:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:26 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Well for a recent example, there is a teenager from Kentucky who is suing many major media outlets for just this sort of presentation, isnt there?

As for the bolded, I find that refreshing. Especially from one who tosses the 'more evil' tag at one side of the Antifa/Alt-right dustups with zero compunction.

Well, I definitely have no issue trying to say that some groups with smaller populations that coalesce around more finite ideas are better or worse. The term liberal and conservative casts a VERY wide net.

But I'm not against the idea of labeling things are evil, more evil, etc. That would be silly. Neo-Nazis are definitely a worse group than, say, cosplayers.

Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I did not. My comparison was more of which is worse, a root canal or a bunion removal. And pointed out your absolute and strenuous position that obviously Neo Nazis are far far far worse than the innocence of your beloved Antifa.

You tried to change the comparison to one between an operation for colon cancer without anesthesia or clipping your toenails. So yes, your attempt at Neo-Nazi/cosplayer utterly exaggerates the issue to one that is fing stupid, it was a bad attempt to move the frame.

Calling you out on it that mischaracterization you engaged in with the 'cosplayer' reference, to be blunt. It was rather disingenuous.

My brain literally hurts from what you just did. How did you contort yourself into the argument that you just made? I have no urge to rehash a debate about who is worse - antifa or neo-nazis - yet somehow you've pulled that out of my response. Bravo!

My response was regardless of which two groups you chose to use, because I wasn't trying to rehash that debate. I was simply saying that trying to throw a label/judgement on a group as large as conservative/liberal, especially comparatively, is stupid. And it's stupid because they are large and complex and diverse. But I'm not against the entire idea of labeling or comparing groups, especially as they get for finite.

Maybe this won't twist your panties up as much - Muslim extremists are definitely worse than Girl Scouts.

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Are neo-Nazis worse than Antifa? I'd put them on the same level, both despicable human beings.

(05-30-2019 04:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Well, I definitely have no issue trying to say that some groups with smaller populations that coalesce around more finite ideas are better or worse. The term liberal and conservative casts a VERY wide net.

But I'm not against the idea of labeling things are evil, more evil, etc. That would be silly. Neo-Nazis are definitely a worse group than, say, cosplayers.

Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I did not. My comparison was more of which is worse, a root canal or a bunion removal. And pointed out your absolute and strenuous position that obviously Neo Nazis are far far far worse than the innocence of your beloved Antifa.

You tried to change the comparison to one between an operation for colon cancer without anesthesia or clipping your toenails. So yes, your attempt at Neo-Nazi/cosplayer utterly exaggerates the issue to one that is fing stupid, it was a bad attempt to move the frame.

Calling you out on it that mischaracterization you engaged in with the 'cosplayer' reference, to be blunt. It was rather disingenuous.

My brain literally hurts from what you just did. How did you contort yourself into the argument that you just made? I have no urge to rehash a debate about who is worse - antifa or neo-nazis - yet somehow you've pulled that out of my response. Bravo!

My response was regardless of which two groups you chose to use, because I wasn't trying to rehash that debate. I was simply saying that trying to throw a label/judgement on a group as large as conservative/liberal, especially comparatively, is stupid. And it's stupid because they are large and complex and diverse. But I'm not against the entire idea of labeling or comparing groups, especially as they get for finite.

Maybe this won't twist your panties up as much - Muslim extremists are definitely worse than Girl Scouts.

I have no fing issue that Muslim extremists are worse than Girl Scouts.

To bring that comparison as an equivalent to the comparison of Neo Nazis (or alt-right) to your fing beloved Antifa is so blindingly stupid as to make me wince.

Too fing hard for you to fathom there?

I mean, why not change one side of the equation to the fing tooth fairy? That is the dramatic change you seek to reframe the comment as.

My original comparison was neos or atl-right to Antifa, that you blindingly changed somehow to comparing Nazis and cosplayers. If you dont see the ludicrous thing you just tried to change reframe the original statement to, I dont know what more to say.

NMFP either.

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Thank you for that search result. I guess not lad is of the opinion that alt-right is dramatically different. Have to love the land of changing definitions.....

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Yes - that is a perfect example of how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't always a square.

So the alt-right (rectangle) provides a space for white nationalists (squares). But not all those in the alt-right are white nationalists.

Exactly like how the Democratic party (rectangle) provides a space for socialists (squares), or heck, event antifa (squares) if you want to say that.

I would definitely say white nationalists are worse than those in the alt-right, as a whole.

(05-30-2019 04:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Are neo-Nazis worse than Antifa? I'd put them on the same level, both despicable human beings.

lad consistently backs the proposition that neo-nazis are far worse. We really need not beat that dead horse anymore.

(05-30-2019 05:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Yes - that is a perfect example of how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't always a square.

So the alt-right (rectangle) provides a space for white nationalists (squares). But not all those in the alt-right are white nationalists.

Exactly like how the Democratic party (rectangle) provides a space for socialists (squares), or heck, event antifa (squares) if you want to say that.

I would definitely say white nationalists are worse than those in the alt-right, as a whole.

And somehow in lad-world cosplayers are the equivalent of antifa, with the new form of comparison that he proposed to my original statement.

(05-30-2019 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Thank you for that search result. I guess not lad is of the opinion that alt-right is dramatically different. Have to love the land of changing definitions.....

Bahahahaahahah.

First, that doesn't say neo-nazi, it says white nationalist...

Second, it doesn't say that the white nationalists are equal to the alt-right!

It specifically says that the MANY (note how it doesn't say all) provide a public, acceptable face for white nationalists. And that's because again, not all people in the alt-right are white nationalists. But views expressed by many alt-right groups do overlap with those of white nationalists, and they have been polished for public consumption. This allows white nationalists to use the alt-right as a public face to gain exposure and not be chased off immediately.

(05-30-2019 05:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Bahahahaahahah.
First, that doesn't say neo-nazi, it says white nationalist...
Second, it doesn't say that the white nationalists are equal to the alt-right!
It specifically says that the MANY (note how it doesn't say all) provide a public, acceptable face for white nationalists. And that's because again, not all people in the alt-right are white nationalists. But views expressed by many alt-right groups do overlap with those of white nationalists, and they have been polished for public consumption. This allows white nationalists to use the alt-right as a public face to gain exposure and not be chased off immediately.

Sort of like democrats and commies, eh?

(05-30-2019 05:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:55 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Interestingly the explicit comparison I did put forth was alt-Right/Antifa --- not alt-Right/coplayer as the attempt to reframe the issue does.

If you noticed I said Neo-Nazis, not the alt-right. I figured I would use a group that was unquestionably bad (Neo-Nazis) to try and make the point.

Did you misread my post when you responded?

I did not. My comparison was more of which is worse, a root canal or a bunion removal. And pointed out your absolute and strenuous position that obviously Neo Nazis are far far far worse than the innocence of your beloved Antifa.

You tried to change the comparison to one between an operation for colon cancer without anesthesia or clipping your toenails. So yes, your attempt at Neo-Nazi/cosplayer utterly exaggerates the issue to one that is fing stupid, it was a bad attempt to move the frame.

Calling you out on it that mischaracterization you engaged in with the 'cosplayer' reference, to be blunt. It was rather disingenuous.

My brain literally hurts from what you just did. How did you contort yourself into the argument that you just made? I have no urge to rehash a debate about who is worse - antifa or neo-nazis - yet somehow you've pulled that out of my response. Bravo!

My response was regardless of which two groups you chose to use, because I wasn't trying to rehash that debate. I was simply saying that trying to throw a label/judgement on a group as large as conservative/liberal, especially comparatively, is stupid. And it's stupid because they are large and complex and diverse. But I'm not against the entire idea of labeling or comparing groups, especially as they get for finite.

Maybe this won't twist your panties up as much - Muslim extremists are definitely worse than Girl Scouts.

I have no fing issue that Muslim extremists are worse than Girl Scouts.

To bring that comparison as an equivalent to the comparison of Neo Nazis (or alt-right) to your fing beloved Antifa is so blindingly stupid as to make me wince.

Too fing hard for you to fathom there?

I mean, why not change one side of the equation to the fing tooth fairy? That is the dramatic change you seek to reframe the comment as.

My original comparison was neos or atl-right to Antifa, that you blindingly changed somehow to comparing Nazis and cosplayers. If you dont see the ludicrous thing you just tried to change reframe the original statement to, I dont know what more to say.

NMFP either.

Just keep twisting yourself into a pretzel and not reading what I write.

Let me repeat - I didn't try and reframe anything.

I was simply pointing out I have no problem labeling groups if they are small enough. I then provided two examples of small groups.

(05-30-2019 05:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Bahahahaahahah.
First, that doesn't say neo-nazi, it says white nationalist...
Second, it doesn't say that the white nationalists are equal to the alt-right!
It specifically says that the MANY (note how it doesn't say all) provide a public, acceptable face for white nationalists. And that's because again, not all people in the alt-right are white nationalists. But views expressed by many alt-right groups do overlap with those of white nationalists, and they have been polished for public consumption. This allows white nationalists to use the alt-right as a public face to gain exposure and not be chased off immediately.

Sort of like democrats and commies, eh?

One could argue that. I'd say socialists at the moment is more apt, as I don't really see people openly advocating for communism, but the word socialism does get thrown around a lot nowadays.

I'd say it's different, as I don't think the democrats are intentionally trying to court communists, but I'm fairly sure you'd argue against that.

(05-30-2019 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 03:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I thought neo-nazis were the alt-right.

Which one is worse?

I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Thank you for that search result. I guess not lad is of the opinion that alt-right is dramatically different. Have to love the land of changing definitions.....

About 100 posts on either side of that post are dedicated to the Antifa vs. Nazis discussion. Worth researching.

(05-30-2019 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Yes - that is a perfect example of how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't always a square.

So the alt-right (rectangle) provides a space for white nationalists (squares). But not all those in the alt-right are white nationalists.

Exactly like how the Democratic party (rectangle) provides a space for socialists (squares), or heck, event antifa (squares) if you want to say that.

I would definitely say white nationalists are worse than those in the alt-right, as a whole.

And somehow in lad-world cosplayers are the equivalent of antifa, with the new form of comparison that he proposed to my original statement.

You really just whiffed on that comment of mine if that is what you gleaned from it.

(05-30-2019 05:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Thank you for that search result. I guess not lad is of the opinion that alt-right is dramatically different. Have to love the land of changing definitions.....

About 100 posts on either side of that post are dedicated to the Antifa vs. Nazis discussion. Worth researching.

And you won't ever see me say that the alt-right = neo-nazis (I've already checked).

Heck, your example doesn't even come close to that.

(05-30-2019 05:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:48 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:26 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 04:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I am damn near positive that lad has equated the alt-right to neo-nazis at some point in this thread. Funny he tries now to maintain that there is some distinct difference now. Actually, even a major one given his adamant tone in the reply above. Funny that.

The world of changing definitions and stances may once again be our honored guest here.

First, if you're positive about that equation, please send me a link to that post. I don't remember it, because in my mind, those are two distince groups.

Second, you guys know how a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square? This is kind of one of those situations. In this case, rectangles would be members of the alt-right, and squares would be neo-nazis. Not all members of the alt-right are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are definitely members of the alt-right.

I don't remember saying that all those in the alt-right are neo-nazis (i.e. equating the alt-right to neo-nazis). But I do feel comfortable (obviously) saying that there are definitely some in the alt-right that are neo-nazis.

Finally, unless you can refresh my memory and point me to a post where I equated neo-nazis to those on the alt-right, there's been zero changing of definitions here, even if you'd like to think there is so you can prove a point. Or would you prefer to play this rote dog and pony show where you try to yell at me for using specific language and try to accuse me of dancing?

But back to the main point - neo-nazis are worse than cosplayers. I think that is an OK generalization.

In post 6758, you had this to say:

The point of many of the alt-right groups is to provide a public, acceptable face, for white nationalists.

But, in any case, who is worse, the alt-right or the white nationalists?
\WTH is alt-right, anyway?

Thank you for that search result. I guess not lad is of the opinion that alt-right is dramatically different. Have to love the land of changing definitions.....

Bahahahaahahah.

First, that doesn't say neo-nazi, it says white nationalist...

Second, it doesn't say that the white nationalists are equal to the alt-right!

It specifically says that the MANY (note how it doesn't say all) provide a public, acceptable face for white nationalists. And that's because again, not all people in the alt-right are white nationalists. But views expressed by many alt-right groups do overlap with those of white nationalists, and they have been polished for public consumption. This allows white nationalists to use the alt-right as a public face to gain exposure and not be chased off immediately.

I knew you would parse and excuse yourself around it.

So between you saying you didn't say it and Trump saying NO OOJ, I see little difference. Just people parsing words to make themselves look better..

Isn't BWAHAHAHA supposed to be the evil laugh, what the devil laughs when he gets your signature on the dotted line? Inappropriate here.

I didn't say that. Not me. Anyway, I meant something else. You know I did. BWAHAHAHA is just a subset of HEEHAW. Damn redneck white nationalists. They're worse than mosquitoes. But not as bad as poison ivy.

For the record: I hate Illinois Nazis.

(05-30-2019 05:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 05:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Bahahahaahahah.
First, that doesn't say neo-nazi, it says white nationalist...
Second, it doesn't say that the white nationalists are equal to the alt-right!
It specifically says that the MANY (note how it doesn't say all) provide a public, acceptable face for white nationalists. And that's because again, not all people in the alt-right are white nationalists. But views expressed by many alt-right groups do overlap with those of white nationalists, and they have been polished for public consumption. This allows white nationalists to use the alt-right as a public face to gain exposure and not be chased off immediately.

Sort of like democrats and commies, eh?

One could argue that. I'd say socialists at the moment is more apt, as I don't really see people openly advocating for communism, but the word socialism does get thrown around a lot nowadays.
I'd say it's different, as I don't think the democrats are intentionally trying to court communists, but I'm fairly sure you'd argue against that.

Democrats certainly advocate massive redistribution of income and wealth. The European social democracies whom they claim to emulate do not. With that in mind, it's kind of difficult to peg them.

I say commies, you say socialists. Either way, they are collectivists, the question is what flavor. The one thing they clearly aren't is social democrats. They are somewhere to the left of that.