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RE: Trump Administration
(04-16-2019 10:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(04-16-2019 09:19 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess because thr truth of the matter is the one *you* refuse to talk about or consider.

Mueller was a fing fiasco, and they need a bone with even non-germane marrow in to grab onto to satisfy their followers.

So you seemingly overlook that massive venality to whine about being labeled 'not smart'.

Bluntly it is either amazingly ignorant to chase down the returns road, or a mark of obsession to find or even churn up the water around orange man. Rather venal in that regard.

Yet you focus not on the churning action, but get aggravated over a comment that, while blunt, is fairly accurate. Please flap your arms some more on this....

I take a lot more umbrage with y'all suggesting that Sanders wasn't, in effect, calling Congress stupid, than her basically calling them stupid.

I understand why she was calling them stupid - I just disagree with it. I don't understand why it is seemingly so hard for y'all to agree with me that she was calling them stupid. Owl#s has argued with me that she wasn't calling them stupid, and then effectively called them stupid.

How hard would it have been to initially just said, "Yeah, she called them stupid, but they are because of X, Y, and Z."?

I like the continued use of 'in effect' to ram home your false equivalence. flap flap flap flap.....

I'm 100% smart enough to be a doctor, fly a plane, etc. I just don't have the sufficient training to do those things.

The term smart refers to someone's intelligence, which refers to how well someone can learn and understand issues/topics.

If Sanders had wanted to talk about their training or knowledge of tax law, she should have said so. I'm calling her out for being, at best, flippant with her language.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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(04-16-2019 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:21 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:07 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 09:19 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I guess because thr truth of the matter is the one *you* refuse to talk about or consider.

Mueller was a fing fiasco, and they need a bone with even non-germane marrow in to grab onto to satisfy their followers.

So you seemingly overlook that massive venality to whine about being labeled 'not smart'.

Bluntly it is either amazingly ignorant to chase down the returns road, or a mark of obsession to find or even churn up the water around orange man. Rather venal in that regard.

Yet you focus not on the churning action, but get aggravated over a comment that, while blunt, is fairly accurate. Please flap your arms some more on this....

I take a lot more umbrage with y'all suggesting that Sanders wasn't, in effect, calling Congress stupid, than her basically calling them stupid.

I understand why she was calling them stupid - I just disagree with it. I don't understand why it is seemingly so hard for y'all to agree with me that she was calling them stupid. Owl#s has argued with me that she wasn't calling them stupid, and then effectively called them stupid.

How hard would it have been to initially just said, "Yeah, she called them stupid, but they are because of X, Y, and Z."?

I like the continued use of 'in effect' to ram home your false equivalence. flap flap flap flap.....

I'm 100% smart enough to be a doctor, fly a plane, etc. I just don't have the sufficient training to do those things.

The term smart refers to someone's intelligence, which refers to how well someone can learn and understand issues/topics.

If Sanders had wanted to talk about their training or knowledge of tax law, she should have said so. I'm calling her out for being, at best, flippant with her language.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

The use of flippant language is somewhat more problematic when it comes from the White House Press Secretary as compared to an anonymous poster in a low-traffic college sports internet forum.
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RE: Trump Administration
(04-16-2019 12:44 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
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(04-16-2019 10:21 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 10:07 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I take a lot more umbrage with y'all suggesting that Sanders wasn't, in effect, calling Congress stupid, than her basically calling them stupid.

I understand why she was calling them stupid - I just disagree with it. I don't understand why it is seemingly so hard for y'all to agree with me that she was calling them stupid. Owl#s has argued with me that she wasn't calling them stupid, and then effectively called them stupid.

How hard would it have been to initially just said, "Yeah, she called them stupid, but they are because of X, Y, and Z."?

I like the continued use of 'in effect' to ram home your false equivalence. flap flap flap flap.....

I'm 100% smart enough to be a doctor, fly a plane, etc. I just don't have the sufficient training to do those things.

The term smart refers to someone's intelligence, which refers to how well someone can learn and understand issues/topics.

If Sanders had wanted to talk about their training or knowledge of tax law, she should have said so. I'm calling her out for being, at best, flippant with her language.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

The use of flippant language is somewhat more problematic when it comes from the White House Press Secretary as compared to an anonymous poster in a low-traffic college sports internet forum.

Let he who is without sin cast the first pebble, then.

How soon we forget Jay Carney.
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Interesting hearing as bunch of Rice grads arguing over what constitutes "stupid".
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(04-16-2019 08:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The point still stands if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "smart enough." And that point was:

Quote:If we can’t trust our elected reps to review tax returns, how can they be trusted with the power to make war? To levy those taxes? To decide what is and isn’t law? These people have staffs and the ability to hire experts to review the data for them.

Sanders should be arguing over the relevance of his tax returns and the fact that they are unlikely to satisfy the desires of the Dems, as opposed to suggesting that anyone isn’t smart enough to do anything. Glass houses and all (regarding the admin she works for).

But y'all seem more than happy with the Trump Admin to continually do things that indicate they aren't "smart enough" for the job, and even defend those actions. Even if that means defending the idea that saying something about someone's intelligence is akin to commenting on their training/competency in a subject. Astounding.

The bold was actually your point.... because you've said it numerous times in numerous ways.

Trump is an arrogant prick. To call him 'not smart enough for the job' is your opinion, grounded primarily in the fact that you disagree with his plans/policies... and not remotely with a measure of his 'intelligence'. In the simplest example, you think his spokesperson should argue the significance of the returns, and I suspect he wants her to do as she has done in order to get some of them to admit that they're simply out to 'get him'. Tell them they're 'not smart' and they will fight back. That's how people with borderline personality disorder 'win'. They goad you into acting out of your character... doing something you're not nearly as skilled at doing as they are. Keeping their cool while they engage in conversation merely designed to keep you off guard and on the defensive.

Apparently he has been intelligent enough to collude with Russia and hide crimes 'in plain sight' in his tax returns... and yet the CIA, FBI, IRS et al haven't been able to produce a crime, much less a smoking gun. Arguing he isn't smart but that he's been able to evade charges, much less a conviction (while a private citizen I might add) despite some pretty Herculean efforts is not a good posture. He clearly isn't fazed by it.... and it sounds desperate to us. We're not defending him. We're just pointing out the obvious facts. The IRS didn't find wrongdoing... a bunch of Congressmen sure as hell aren't. They're just looking for the APPEARANCE of dirt, and we all (including you) know it. Using the power of the government for this purpose is wrong... and you know that too.

We HAVE hired people to investigate tax returns. They're called the IRS. We didn't choose Trump's returns to 'audit' the IRS.


***ETA There are plenty of people on the right convinced that Hillary and Bill did all sorts of bad things as well... remember the Tyson chicken commodity trade? There's even a Vince Foster thread on here now.... but guess what? Tyson Chicken, Whitewater, Monicagate, Benghazi, the server.... they're all 'done'. There may be something more recent, but while some people still don't buy it, those investigations are over.
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(04-16-2019 08:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The point still stands if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "smart enough."

But if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "not smart enough," then you are substituting your interpretation of what she said for her words. You are restating what she said to what you heard, and the two are not necessarily the same. Not smart can mean stupid or it can mean ignorant.

Anybody who thinks that Trump's tax returns will show 1) collusion with "the Russians", or 2) some kind of tax fraud that has gone undetected by the IRS, or 3) some indication of his net worth, is quite frankly not smart enough to understand and analyze those returns. Anyone who knows enough about tax returns to make any sense of them at all will know that tax returns will not reveal any such things.

Now, I would suspect that the truth of what is going on here is not that they aren't smart enough, but that they know better but are deliberately and intentionally misleading. They know there is nothing there, but they just want to harass and obfuscate. They're not intelligence challenged, they're honesty challenged.
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(04-17-2019 07:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The point still stands if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "smart enough."

But if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "not smart enough," then you are substituting your interpretation of what she said for her words. You are restating what she said to what you heard, and the two are not necessarily the same. Not smart can mean stupid or it can mean ignorant.

Anybody who thinks that Trump's tax returns will show 1) collusion with "the Russians", or 2) some kind of tax fraud that has gone undetected by the IRS, or 3) some indication of his net worth, is quite frankly not smart enough to understand and analyze those returns. Anyone who knows enough about tax returns to make any sense of them at all will know that tax returns will not reveal any such things.

Now, I would suspect that the truth of what is going on here is not that they aren't smart enough, but that they know better but are deliberately and intentionally misleading. They know there is nothing there, but they just want to harass and obfuscate. They're not intelligence challenged, they're honesty challenged.


Really? You are criticizing people as "honesty challenged" while defending Trump? Wow.

Really number 2: Really, you guys are still arguing about the "smart enough" quote? Wow.
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(04-17-2019 10:50 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 07:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:31 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The point still stands if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "smart enough."

But if you substitute "stupid" for the verbatim "not smart enough," then you are substituting your interpretation of what she said for her words. You are restating what she said to what you heard, and the two are not necessarily the same. Not smart can mean stupid or it can mean ignorant.

Anybody who thinks that Trump's tax returns will show 1) collusion with "the Russians", or 2) some kind of tax fraud that has gone undetected by the IRS, or 3) some indication of his net worth, is quite frankly not smart enough to understand and analyze those returns. Anyone who knows enough about tax returns to make any sense of them at all will know that tax returns will not reveal any such things.

Now, I would suspect that the truth of what is going on here is not that they aren't smart enough, but that they know better but are deliberately and intentionally misleading. They know there is nothing there, but they just want to harass and obfuscate. They're not intelligence challenged, they're honesty challenged.


Really? You are criticizing people as "honesty challenged" while defending Trump? Wow.

Really number 2: Really, you guys are still arguing about the "smart enough" quote? Wow.

Question #1: What do you think of his second paragraph? Do you disagree with anything there? What do YOU think the value is in asking for his returns?

Question #2. Other than the propaganda from the anti-Trump networks, what makes you think Trump is that much different than any other politician? They all lie, just some more publicly than others. Is there any reason to prefer the the ones who lie privately, out of the spotlight on important things?

Question #3. Isn't "wow" a bit condescending? Sounds to me like you are saying "How stupid can you be"?
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(04-17-2019 10:50 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Really? You are criticizing people as "honesty challenged" while defending Trump? Wow.

I'm "defending Trump"? How, when, where? I'm attacking democrats, not defending Trump. I don't like Trump, but I don't dislike him as much as I dislike the commie/socialist/collectivist democrats.

And I'm sorry. but anybody who claims that Trump's tax returns will contain evidence of any of the things claimed is either ignorant or lying.

Quote:Really number 2: Really, you guys are still arguing about the "smart enough" quote? Wow.

Takes two to argue, and you people are holding up your end of that.
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(04-17-2019 11:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And I'm sorry. but anybody who claims that Trump's tax returns will contain evidence of any of the things claimed is either ignorant or lying.

IMO:

Base: Ignorant
Leadership: Lying
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(04-17-2019 03:53 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 11:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And I'm sorry. but anybody who claims that Trump's tax returns will contain evidence of any of the things claimed is either ignorant or lying.
IMO:
Base: Ignorant
Leadership: Lying

I can go with that.
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(04-17-2019 05:00 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

throw a rock and run away. We've seen your act before.

If you have something to say, say it and defend it. We have had enough innuendo the last three years.
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(04-17-2019 07:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 05:00 PM)At Ease Wrote:  

throw a rock and run away. We've seen your act before.

If you have something to say, say it and defend it. We have had enough innuendo the last three years.

DOJ should not have been meeting with the White House in advance of this report being released.
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(04-17-2019 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 07:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
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throw a rock and run away. We've seen your act before.

If you have something to say, say it and defend it. We have had enough innuendo the last three years.

DOJ should not have been meeting with the White House in advance of this report being released.

If it happened, why would it be wrong?

(I guess AE has hired you to represent him. You are the Penn to his Teller.)

Some differences I note:



1. This investigation is complete. The Clinton investigation was ongoing. Even Democrats can tell the difference between a report on on a closed investigation and a report yet to be written on an ongoing investigation. Can't you?

2. The tarmac meeting was with the husband of a candidate. The WH meetings, if any, were with a sitting president.

What is the problem? The report is done, it is written, nothing will change.
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(04-17-2019 10:40 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 07:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
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throw a rock and run away. We've seen your act before.

If you have something to say, say it and defend it. We have had enough innuendo the last three years.

DOJ should not have been meeting with the White House in advance of this report being released.

I guess that the Office of the President has zero Executive Privilege interests, *and* the DOJ should utterly ignore that substantial prong of our jurisprudence en toto.

Got it. Makes perfect sense.

Geezus fing krist the press is intentionally ignorant on this....... The myna birds are just myna birds.

(yes a head slap emoji really should be available here....)

Edited to add: saw the conference live, and Barr confirmed this, albeit according to Barr, Trump refused to exercise *any* privilege. Yes, there should be *zero* communication between Barr and the holder of a very real, tangible privilege.

Good god that NY Times tweet pisses me off. Imply bad **** when you perfectly well know there is a real legal reason and rationale. I really think the job of the fing media is that of being the 'implier in chief' for all the fing myna birds and ignoramuses around.
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I repeat: What a hack. A complete disgrace.
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(04-18-2019 08:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
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throw a rock and run away. We've seen your act before.

If you have something to say, say it and defend it. We have had enough innuendo the last three years.

DOJ should not have been meeting with the White House in advance of this report being released.

I guess that the Office of the President has zero Executive Privilege interests, *and* the DOJ should utterly ignore that substantial prong of our jurisprudence en toto.

Got it. Makes perfect sense.

Geezus fing krist the press is intentionally ignorant on this....... The myna birds are just myna birds.

(yes a head slap emoji really should be available here....)

It's like they think the president said "Change this to that and leave that other out". Do they really think Mueller and his team of Democrats would stand by silently while a revised report was presented?

They are just bitchin' because it is too hard to say "sorry".
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(04-18-2019 08:56 AM)Boston Owl Wrote:  I repeat: What a hack. A complete disgrace.

You saying it was a taxicab?
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(04-18-2019 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 08:56 AM)Boston Owl Wrote:  I repeat: What a hack. A complete disgrace.

You saying it was a taxicab?

I think BoOwl is adding what he perceives to be an amazing insightful comment. At Ease seems to have a 'follower' in practice.
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