(10-27-2017 12:05 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  My personal favorite alma mater of a President in the modern era was that of Harry Truman.

Ha, we may agree on something for once. Though I am also partial to Reagan's Eureka College.

(10-26-2017 10:53 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:11 PM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 03:56 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad we have a very intelligent, Ivy League President to set me straight.

Was Reagan the lst non-Ivy President?

The first non-Ivy president was George Washington, who had a surveyor's certificate from William & Mary.

http://blog.cappex.com/blog/college-list...residents/

I’m pretty sure he meant “last”

I did, but I assumed he knew this and was just wryly having fun.

(10-27-2017 08:10 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 05:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 03:56 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad we have a very intelligent, Ivy League President to set me straight.

Was Reagan the lst non-Ivy President?

Depends if getting a post-BS/BA education at an Ivy League is considered being Ivy League. Looks like we have been in a unusually long string of Ivy-ites.....

I wonder what undergrad Ivy Leaguers think. If only undergrad counts then Clinton was the last non-Ivy, otherwise Reagan.

Undergrad Ivy Leaguers think?

(10-27-2017 08:10 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 05:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 03:56 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad we have a very intelligent, Ivy League President to set me straight.

Was Reagan the lst non-Ivy President?

Depends if getting a post-BS/BA education at an Ivy League is considered being Ivy League. Looks like we have been in a unusually long string of Ivy-ites.....

I wonder what undergrad Ivy Leaguers think. If only undergrad counts then Clinton was the last non-Ivy, otherwise Reagan.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Ivy League.

Looks like something is about to shakedown this week. First charges filed - not sure who.

Most likely will be Manafort, Page or Flynn.. vegas is taking bets.

Be interesting to what the indictment is for, as well. My guess it will probably be something at the very tangent of the supposed subject of the Mueller investigation.

If it is a subject matter central to the 'collusion' narrative, it might be healthy step forward in bringing light onto the subject.

Otherwise, well...... let's just say that a Monica Lewinsky tangent to Whitewater or a Scooter Libby tangent to Plame will not be very healthy at this point. Especially with all the crap in the the air regarding the Fusion/DNC fiasco and 'less than a healthy dose of candor' from the DNC/Schultz/General Counsel of Hillary '16 troika on this.

And to be blunt, Flynn's 'less than candor' issues that resulted in his firing probably are chargeable and (imo) should be.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

Sadly, or perhaps fortunately, I won't have much Quad time over the next week, but I've heard several non-Trump people point out that this doesn't yet seem to be too directly Trump related. And that made intuitive sense to me.

And then I realized I was thinking that in response to POTUS' former campaign manager being indicted for "conspiracy against the United States" and money laundering.

I may give up trying to understand things for a while...

i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

12 counts --

2 are for false statements to the Feds (one being the FARA statements);
1 for being unregistered foreign agent in 2014 (yes, 2014);
3 counts of failure file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2014);
4 counts of failure to file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2015);
1 count of money laundering (payments related to the unregistered foreign agent);
1 count of conspiracy (for the unregistered foreign agent).

Yeah, charges highly on point I would say. Especially time wise. (/sarcasm)

Interesting the co-defendant in everything is Gates, who has *no* connection to the Trump campaign in the slightest.

About par for what I expected from a special prosecutor investigation.

(10-30-2017 09:13 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Sadly, or perhaps fortunately, I won't have much Quad time over the next week, but I've heard several non-Trump people point out that this doesn't yet seem to be too directly Trump related. And that made intuitive sense to me.

And then I realized I was thinking that in response to POTUS' former campaign manager being indicted for "conspiracy against the United States" and money laundering.

I may give up trying to understand things for a while...

Unfortunately the predicate acts you speak of are based on the fact he made bank transactions and not being properly registered in 2014.

Feds are using the theory that you have a first predicate illegal act, in this case he was allegedly an unregistered foreign lobbyist. When he cashed his invoice or accepted money of any sort with any bank whatsoever, the Feds are saying that act of using the banking system is money laundering. (i.e. money from an illegal act, if it ever is involved in a bank transaction, is money laundering these days).

The simple reason banks refuse to have pot growers in California as clients in any way, shape, or form.

(10-30-2017 10:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

12 counts --

2 are for false statements to the Feds (one being the FARA statements);
1 for being unregistered foreign agent in 2014 (yes, 2014);
3 counts of failure file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2014);
4 counts of failure to file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2015);
1 count of money laundering (payments related to the unregistered foreign agent);
1 count of conspiracy (for the unregistered foreign agent).

Yeah, charges highly on point I would say. Especially time wise. (/sarcasm)

Interesting the co-defendant in everything is Gates, who has *no* connection to the Trump campaign in the slightest.

About par for what I expected from a special prosecutor investigation.

so, nothing on collusion or even Russian interference.

(10-30-2017 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

12 counts --

2 are for false statements to the Feds (one being the FARA statements);
1 for being unregistered foreign agent in 2014 (yes, 2014);
3 counts of failure file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2014);
4 counts of failure to file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2015);
1 count of money laundering (payments related to the unregistered foreign agent);
1 count of conspiracy (for the unregistered foreign agent).

Yeah, charges highly on point I would say. Especially time wise. (/sarcasm)

Interesting the co-defendant in everything is Gates, who has *no* connection to the Trump campaign in the slightest.

About par for what I expected from a special prosecutor investigation.

so, nothing on collusion or even Russian interference.

Spot on OO. Nothing at all even in any dealing with Trump or the Trump campaign.

I guess he should have used BleachBit and followed it up with the Craftsman hammer solution.

(10-30-2017 10:08 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

12 counts --

2 are for false statements to the Feds (one being the FARA statements);
1 for being unregistered foreign agent in 2014 (yes, 2014);
3 counts of failure file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2014);
4 counts of failure to file foreign bank reports (from 2012-2015);
1 count of money laundering (payments related to the unregistered foreign agent);
1 count of conspiracy (for the unregistered foreign agent).

Yeah, charges highly on point I would say. Especially time wise. (/sarcasm)

Interesting the co-defendant in everything is Gates, who has *no* connection to the Trump campaign in the slightest.

About par for what I expected from a special prosecutor investigation.

Gates has no connection? Try again.

Quote: Gates took the helm of the campaign's operations for the 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland and was eventually promoted to deputy campaign manager...

Although Manafort left the campaign in late August 2016, facing mounting questions about his political consulting in Ukraine, Gates remained.

After Donald Trump won the White House, Gates became close with Trump's friend Tom Barrack, who was tapped to lead the Presidential Inauguration Committee. Gates became the No. 2 man in charge of planning for Trump's Jan. 20 swearing-in. Gates still works as an adviser to Barrack, a role he has held since March 2017.

Once Trump was in the White House, Gates joined the 501©(4) organization America First Policies, aimed at pushing Trump's agenda.

But it was not long before Gates was pulled into the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Gates was removed from the organization in late March 2017.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rick-gate...d=50809402

Also, George Papadopoulos has now plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI during the investigation.

Quote:...after he lied about his interactions with foreign officials close to the Russian government...

In court records unsealed on Monday, the FBI said George Papadopoulos "falsely described his interactions with a certain foreign contact who discussed 'dirt' related to emails" concerning Hillary Clinton. Records also describe an email between Trump campaign officials suggesting they were considering acting on Russian invitations to go to Russia.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/p...index.html

And I found this bit of language very telling in what I assume is the Papadopoulos indictment.



https://twitter.com/i/web/status/925032005313683457

I'm not sure how to spin that as anything but lying about a willingness to comply with an investigation and then trying to cover up one's own tracks.

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

There are connections to Russians trying to influence the election in the indictments (see my recent posts).

I would guess that these are the first, and easiest, chips to fall and that the Feds may be trying to leverage the indictments for information on charges they want to file but need a few more pieces of the puzzle for.

This is definitely closer to the beginning, not the end, of this investigation.

On a side note, I told y'all there would be financial crimes.

Seems to me that "conspiracy again the US" consists of conspiracy to defraud the US of taxes. Spunds like a lot of meetings in smoke filled rooms with guys named Ivan, but it is not.

(10-30-2017 01:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

There are connections to Russians trying to influence the election in the indictments (see my recent posts).

I would guess that these are the first, and easiest, chips to fall and that the Feds may be trying to leverage the indictments for information on charges they want to file but need a few more pieces of the puzzle for.

This is definitely closer to the beginning, not the end, of this investigation.

On a side note, I told y'all there would be financial crimes.

Yep, like the DNC enlisting the help of the Ukrainians. Let's all play Six Degrees of any Russian.

lokk back, and you will se that many months ago I predicted no collusion, just a bumch of small fry getting caught in minor technicalities.

so far, nothing looks different from that.

the twelve count indictment is missing two words - Trump and collusion.

(10-30-2017 01:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  i skimmed through the indictment, and failed to find two words: collusion or Trump.

sounds like tax evasion/money laundering/failure to fill out papers.

so what does this mean for the investigation in Trump/Russia collusion to steal the election?

awaiting the word from qualified lawyers here.

There are connections to Russians trying to influence the election in the indictments (see my recent posts).

I would guess that these are the first, and easiest, chips to fall and that the Feds may be trying to leverage the indictments for information on charges they want to file but need a few more pieces of the puzzle for.

This is definitely closer to the beginning, not the end, of this investigation.

On a side note, I told y'all there would be financial crimes.

Yep, like the DNC enlisting the help of the Ukrainians. Let's all play Six Degrees of any Russian.

lokk back, and you will se that many months ago I predicted no collusion, just a bumch of small fry getting caught in minor technicalities.

so far, nothing looks different from that.

the twelve count indictment is missing two words - Trump and collusion.

It would be shocking if these were the only indictments to come down from the investigation. We should wait and see - it is not clear if you are completely correct.

There are connections, especially with Papodoupolus, to colluding with the Russians to influence the elections. He was informed of stolen emails in April 2016, well before that news was made public. And per the indictment, he covered his tracks after being interviewed by authorities.

OO is abolutely correct on a very cogent point -- this indictment has zero to do with Trump and/or collusion. As in zilch, nada.

Current score from the Mueller field trip as follows:

charges related to alleged Trump collusion --- bff goose egg.
fishing expedition finds --- 12 counts.

Awesome start. Kind of reminds me of a Bailiff first quarter offense....