mlbUC Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:I'll never know why people keep posting threads just to get the MAC oxygen thieves over here.

Seems to me that rocketfootball made some very good points. I think he was classy about the way he posted it also. The Marshall fans here are over the top negative about the MAC. Yes, it has its share of crappy low level teams, but it also has its share of competitive D1A teams (Toledo, Miami, and BGSU). The bottom teams drag down the MAC, but you take Toledo, Miami, and BGSU, and they can compete with any non-BCS league, and even give the BCS leagues a run for their money. Miami of 2 years ago would have probably finished 3rd at worst in any BCS league.

I have an idea!!!

How about you not worry about the way Marshall fans react to the MAC. You dont know where we stand or what we have dealt with over the past years.

You are clueless.

Next time you step up to the plate to try to think for us take a step back and tell yourself. Naaaaaaaaaah!!!!

Marshall fans have EARNED the right to be negative towards that conf.

You dont like? Tough sh_t.

O & BTW rocketfootball DID have some good points, but it is still an opinion of some that a bowl game in Toronto, CANADA......CANADA...are you kiddiong me???? CANADA???? :rofl:

Sorry I lost my train of thought thinking about a college football game in Canada.

:rofl:

ccs178,

Many of us came out of the WAC experience where over inflated egos killed what I consider a very strong effort to build a strong conference. The attitude over there (MWC fans and MWC wannabees) is a win/lose attitude. That is, I want to win; therefore you must lose. My approach always has been win/win. If the MAC and SBC become stronger conferrences....that is good news to us as CUSA fans. The stronger ALL Nonbcs conferences become; the better it is for all of us. Another way to say it....is a rising tide raises all ships.

Rocketfootball made a good post and did not deserve to be flamed. Myself, I think it great other fans from other conferences come to this board and show interest in CUSA. The fan I am disappointed in is the fan that could care less about CUSA and makes no post on this board.

rocketfootball Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:I, too, want to congratulate the MAC on its third bowl.  It appears to me that the MAC has three very, very solid and good bowls, Motor City VS Big-10, Mobile VS CUSA, and now Toronto Bowl vs Big East.  All solid financially and with two BCS opponents.  That looks pretty good to me.

FWIW, Bowling Green played @Oklahoma last season and gave the Sooners a very strong game; stronger than many Big-12 opponents.  Good luck and best wishes to MAC!

That's great, but why don't you do it on the MAC board? Doesn't it make more sense to congratulate the MAC and discuss MAC bowls on a MAC board?

You seem very annoyed when anything comes up on here that isn't 100% C-USA. Do you understand the reason that all I-A conferences are represented on NCAAbbs.com and linked to each other so that posters can interact? I mean if you don't like it then start your own message board somewhere and make it where you have to register to post and that you have to actually request approval from you and give evidence that you are in fact a C-USA fan and will only talk about C-USA stuff.

No, I'm not annoyed at everything that isn't 100% CUSA. I've posted many things here that aren't related to CUSA, but I made it clear that they were informational in nature and did not try to justify or rationalize them in an attempt to make them topical.

I am concerned that a fair number of fans from the incoming schools seemed to be more interested, actually more like obsessed, with other schools/conferences than they are about CUSA. I've never had any concern with the new member institutions coming into CUSA, but the fans they do or don't bring has been a cause for concern to me. Especially as of late.

mlbUC Wrote:ccs,

I agree it maybe shouldn't have come up on here. But the fact that you ripping on rocketfootball was wrong, IMO (the MAC statement). He was classy and not here just to rip on C-USA schools.

I wasn't ripping on rocketfootball or the MAC, just the oxygen thieves. If he, or any other MAC fan, are offended by it, then that's a self-esteem problem that they need to work out...on THEIR board.

Tallgrass Wrote:ccs178,

Many of us came out of the WAC experience where over inflated egos killed what I consider a very strong effort to build a strong conference. The attitude over there (MWC fans and MWC wannabees) is a win/lose attitude. That is, I want to win; therefore you must lose. My approach always has been win/win. If the MAC and SBC become stronger conferrences....that is good news to us as CUSA fans. The stronger ALL Nonbcs conferences become; the better it is for all of us. Another way to say it....is a rising tide raises all ships.

Rocketfootball made a good post and did not deserve to be flamed. Myself, I think it great other fans from other conferences come to this board and show interest in CUSA. The fan I am disappointed in is the fan that could care less about CUSA and makes no post on this board.

Again, that's great, but this wasn't about CUSA or the impact this would have on CUSA. This is a thread about MAC and Big East bowls. Period. No direct or indirect connection to CUSA.

Read my previous post concerning any insult to rocketfootball, et al.

Having been a CUSA fan since day one, I've had the "fortune" of being associated with member schools and their fans who couldn't give a rat's hind quarters about the conference. In my opinion, this apathy and contempt stunted our growth and it came damn close to killing CUSA not too long ago. Although it isn't the problem it once was, it still lingers. The absolute last thing we need as a dose of new blood that is contaminated with the old disease.

What if other conferences stumble and fall? Great. What if other conferences succeed and triumph? Great. The only one I am concerned with is mine. I make sure my house can weather a storm before I worry about my neighbor's house and I'm not offended in the least when they do the same.

<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Canada??????</span>

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ccs178 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:ccs178,

Many of us came out of the WAC experience where over inflated egos killed what I consider a very strong effort to build a strong conference.  The attitude over there (MWC fans and MWC wannabees) is a win/lose attitude.  That is, I want to win; therefore you must lose.  My approach always has been win/win.  If the MAC and SBC become stronger conferrences....that is good news to us as CUSA fans.  The stronger ALL Nonbcs conferences become; the better it is for all of us.  Another way to say it....is a rising tide raises all ships.

Rocketfootball made a good post and did not deserve to be flamed. Myself, I think it great other fans from other conferences come to this board and show interest in CUSA.  The fan I am disappointed in is the fan that could care less about CUSA and makes no post on this board.

Again, that's great, but this wasn't about CUSA or the impact this would have on CUSA. This is a thread about MAC and Big East bowls. Period. No direct or indirect connection to CUSA.

Hate to tell ya, but any bowl game could ultimately have an effect on C-USA, even it is only indirectly. You need to open your eyes and read between the lines a little.

MU ATO Wrote:<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Canada??????</span>

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah! I know it means nothing to people that live in West Virginia or the South, but if you would have read my post you would understand that.

For Toledo we are about 50 miles from Canada. Bowling Green isn't much further, and neither is most of the team in the MAC West Division. Buffalo and then Syracuse from the Big East aren't very far from Canada either.

The City of Toronto is a bigger city then most cities in the US and tourism is actually pretty high there.

Oh, and I bet you don't know it but Canada does have football played there. And former great UT quarterback Chuck Ealey, the only QB in history to go undefeated in high school and college (35-0 at UT) happens to live in Canada now. Toledo has had several players from Canadien high schools, including Tackle Nick Kaczur who is expected to get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round in the upcoming NFL draft. This year Toledo recruited the top offensive lineman out of Canada.......a guy that picked Toledo over an offer from South Carolina. So yeah, Canada knows football very well and some of their kids turn out to be pretty good players on US college football teams. Playing a bowl game in Canada is going to help the teams in the MAC and Big East to get those top players over other US colleges.

So laugh it up while we dip into the market and strengthen ourselves a little more.

I'LL TAKE TORONTO VS. BIG EAST OVER NEW ORLEANS VS. SUN BELT ANYTIME.

Kit-Cat Wrote:I'LL TAKE TORONTO VS. BIG EAST OVER NEW ORLEANS VS. SUN BELT ANYTIME.

Is that right Kit Cat

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=24530' target='_blank'>Better look at this thread.</a>

Kit-Cat Wrote:I'LL TAKE TORONTO VS. BIG EAST OVER NEW ORLEANS VS. SUN BELT ANYTIME.

A fan of a school with this bowl history is forbidden from having opinions on bowl games. I mean it has only been 36 years since mighty Ohio has been in a bowl game. So, your opinion on bowl games just doesn't count.

Ohio Bowl History
Bowl Record: 0-2-0

12-31-1962
14
West Texas A&M
15
Sun Bowl

12-27-1968
42
Richmond (VA)
49
Tangerine Bowl

rocketfootball Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:ccs178,

Many of us came out of the WAC experience where over inflated egos killed what I consider a very strong effort to build a strong conference.&nbsp; The attitude over there (MWC fans and MWC wannabees) is a win/lose attitude.&nbsp; That is, I want to win; therefore you must lose.&nbsp; My approach always has been win/win.&nbsp; If the MAC and SBC become stronger conferrences....that is good news to us as CUSA fans.&nbsp; The stronger ALL Nonbcs conferences become; the better it is for all of us.&nbsp; Another way to say it....is a rising tide raises all ships.

Rocketfootball made a good post and did not deserve to be flamed. Myself, I think it great other fans from other conferences come to this board and show interest in CUSA.&nbsp; The fan I am disappointed in is the fan that could care less about CUSA and makes no post on this board.

Again, that's great, but this wasn't about CUSA or the impact this would have on CUSA. This is a thread about MAC and Big East bowls. Period. No direct or indirect connection to CUSA.

Hate to tell ya, but any bowl game could ultimately have an effect on C-USA, even it is only indirectly. You need to open your eyes and read between the lines a little.

Read between the lines? Whatever. You need to be fitted for a tinfoil hat.

<span style='font-family:Arial'><span style='font-size:25pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'>?</span></span></span>

:john:

:laugh: :D :rofl: :eek:

rocketfootball Wrote:

MU ATO Wrote:<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Canada??????</span>

:rofl:&nbsp; :rofl:&nbsp; :rofl:&nbsp; :rofl:&nbsp; :rofl:&nbsp; :rofl:

Yeah! I know it means nothing to people that live in West Virginia or the South, but if you would have read my post you would understand that.

For Toledo we are about 50 miles from Canada. Bowling Green isn't much further, and neither is most of the team in the MAC West Division. Buffalo and then Syracuse from the Big East aren't very far from Canada either.

The City of Toronto is a bigger city then most cities in the US and tourism is actually pretty high there.

Oh, and I bet you don't know it but Canada does have football played there. And former great UT quarterback Chuck Ealey, the only QB in history to go undefeated in high school and college (35-0 at UT) happens to live in Canada now. Toledo has had several players from Canadien high schools, including Tackle Nick Kaczur who is expected to get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round in the upcoming NFL draft. This year Toledo recruited the top offensive lineman out of Canada.......a guy that picked Toledo over an offer from South Carolina. So yeah, Canada knows football very well and some of their kids turn out to be pretty good players on US college football teams. Playing a bowl game in Canada is going to help the teams in the MAC and Big East to get those top players over other US colleges.

So laugh it up while we dip into the market and strengthen ourselves a little more.

Sorry brother, but I would NOT want to be going to another country to play football. I know Canada plays football, but football is the REAL AMERICAN pastime.

If C-USA were involved in a bowl in Mexico or Canada or Japan, I would be highly pissed.

Yes its another bowl, but are you really serious???

WOW add this to my list of reasons Im glad we bolted the MAC.

ccs178 Wrote:I am concerned that a fair number of fans from the incoming schools seemed to be more interested, actually more like obsessed, with other schools/conferences than they are about CUSA. I've never had any concern with the new member institutions coming into CUSA, but the fans they do or don't bring has been a cause for concern to me. Especially as of late.

Point well taken. You should be concerned about Marshall, as they just can't get over their "mistreatment" in the MAC. They seem to be the only C-USA team that is concerned with the MAC.

mlbUC Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:I am concerned that a fair number of fans from the incoming schools seemed to be more interested, actually more like obsessed, with other schools/conferences than they are about CUSA. I've never had any concern with the new member institutions coming into CUSA, but the fans they do or don't bring has been a cause for concern to me. Especially as of late.

Point well taken. You should be concerned about Marshall, as they just can't get over their "mistreatment" in the MAC. They seem to be the only C-USA team that is concerned with the MAC.

Uhhh...you have it bass-ackwards.

The MACsters are concerned with injecting themselves into threads on the CUSA board.

They ruin our threads with their chest-pounding and fist shaking.

We don't give a d@mn about the MAC. I wish they would go away, but as you see, they won't.

:john:

mlbUC Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:I am concerned that a fair number of fans from the incoming schools seemed to be more interested, actually more like obsessed, with other schools/conferences than they are about CUSA. I've never had any concern with the new member institutions coming into CUSA, but the fans they do or don't bring has been a cause for concern to me. Especially as of late.

Point well taken. You should be concerned about Marshall, as they just can't get over their "mistreatment" in the MAC. They seem to be the only C-USA team that is concerned with the MAC.

There you go again running your mouth about Marshall.

Here let me help you again. Shut your mouth about how we act when it comes to the MAC.

You have never walked in our shoes, so voicing your opinion about why we react the waty we do sounds like a bunch of hot air.

Ever since we came back to the MAC in '97 MU has dealt with nothing but taunts, disrespect, and jeers from oer MAC schools. After 8 years this kinda got old, not to metnion we owned the conf during this time.

So pardon our school if we relish this time.

Im sure Cincy has never dealt with the CONSTANT bashing of your school not from just a few, but from the majority.

Sure your B-ball Coach is an a$$ for getting wasted, but hey that life. People make mistakes. But on the other hand you have him and your b-ball program to thank for getting you guys into the Big East.

You have really done nothing to garner the hatred that we had to deal with from MAC schools. I suppose if you had to put up with the garbage that we had to deal with not only would you be laughing at poor attendance and bowl games in Canada, but you would probably be reacting in the same manner.

BUT

You DONT know what its like so I dont expect you to understand.

Dont like???

Too bad.

Then please add yourself to the MAC & Morganhole in my Signature.

MU ATO Wrote:If C-USA were involved in a bowl in Mexico or Canada or Japan, I would be highly pissed.

I agree with you and that is my point. Canada and Japan aren't even close to C-USA's geographical region and Mexico doesn't make any sense at all. They think the word football means soccer for christ sakes!


Canada is in the geographical region of several MAC schools though and does make sense for the MAC. Just because it doesn't make sense for C-USA which is located in the South doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense for the MAC where some MAC schools are closer to Toronto than they are to other conference opponents.

ccs178 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:ccs178,

Many of us came out of the WAC experience where over inflated egos killed what I consider a very strong effort to build a strong conference.  The attitude over there (MWC fans and MWC wannabees) is a win/lose attitude.  That is, I want to win; therefore you must lose.  My approach always has been win/win.  If the MAC and SBC become stronger conferrences....that is good news to us as CUSA fans.  The stronger ALL Nonbcs conferences become; the better it is for all of us.  Another way to say it....is a rising tide raises all ships.

Rocketfootball made a good post and did not deserve to be flamed. Myself, I think it great other fans from other conferences come to this board and show interest in CUSA.  The fan I am disappointed in is the fan that could care less about CUSA and makes no post on this board.

Again, that's great, but this wasn't about CUSA or the impact this would have on CUSA. This is a thread about MAC and Big East bowls. Period. No direct or indirect connection to CUSA.

Hate to tell ya, but any bowl game could ultimately have an effect on C-USA, even it is only indirectly. You need to open your eyes and read between the lines a little.

Read between the lines? Whatever. You need to be fitted for a tinfoil hat.

Nice smack attempt. My 2 year old son could have come back with something better than that.

:rofl:

HerdZoned Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:I'LL TAKE TORONTO VS. BIG EAST OVER NEW ORLEANS VS. SUN BELT ANYTIME.

Is that right Kit Cat

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=24530' target='_blank'>Better look at this thread.</a>

Toronto/Big East is still a better bowl than N.O/SBC. Bowls are not an enticement as far as I'm concerned moving from MAC to CUSA.

The real perk of CUSA is TV and big time image. CUSA is a wannabe power conference. The MAC isn't trying to bring in the big coaches and play in bigger stadiums. The MAC is a 1-AA conference on steriods, aside from maybe NIU and Toledo.