(10-30-2016 07:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 03:33 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 11:26 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

I know the so called objective reasons, not getting it done in practice. I could care less about that as stated above. Maybe I am not familiar to these dozens of references you are posting about.

Seriously? C'mon. Then you obviously haven't read the 600 posts in this thread, not to mention similar ones on this and other boards, forums and formats.

I shouldn't have to do this for you, but here's a handful from just the first dozen posts in this thread that all clearly imply this is about more than earning playing time based upon perceived performance in practices and scrimmages:

- Why do that to (Kiel), other than to disrespect him?
- Dude, that was just bizarre. I simply cannot understand what is going on with TT and Kiel.
- There is a method to the madness but it is apparently lost on mere mortals.
- I think Gunner and the coaching staff have a mutual understanding as to what's happening. It's an unfortunate situation for all involved (coaches, players, fans, etc.).
- ^ This....we clearly don't know the whole story

(10-30-2016 08:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 03:33 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 11:26 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

I know the so called objective reasons, not getting it done in practice. I could care less about that as stated above. Maybe I am not familiar to these dozens of references you are posting about.

Seriously? C'mon. Then you obviously haven't read the 600 posts in this thread, not to mention similar ones on this and other boards, forums and formats.

I shouldn't have to do this for you, but here's a handful from just the first dozen posts in this thread that all clearly imply this is about more than earning playing time based upon perceived performance in practices and scrimmages:

- Why do that to (Kiel), other than to disrespect him?
- Dude, that was just bizarre. I simply cannot understand what is going on with TT and Kiel.
- There is a method to the madness but it is apparently lost on mere mortals.
- I think Gunner and the coaching staff have a mutual understanding as to what's happening. It's an unfortunate situation for all involved (coaches, players, fans, etc.).
- ^ This....we clearly don't know the whole story

Seems to be just idle message board speculation, not sure I would call it conspiracy. People were confused, and rightly so, for the lack of playing time Kiel was getting. I would say just listening to CTT, that he was very positive and complimentary about Kiel a week before camp broke, then something changed. During his half time conversation with the media and his post game presser right after the ECU game he seemed to dwell on the mistakes Gunner made and not the positives. Not sure I had heard him do the same to the other QBS. People will infer what they want from instances such as that.

Regardless of the reason, the staff flat out screwed the pooch. I was hoping there were hidden reasons Kiel was not playing. That seemed better than sheer incompetence. But sadly there are too many other examples of that the past 4 years for that to not be the leading candidate.

(10-30-2016 08:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 08:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 03:33 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

I know the so called objective reasons, not getting it done in practice. I could care less about that as stated above. Maybe I am not familiar to these dozens of references you are posting about.

Seriously? C'mon. Then you obviously haven't read the 600 posts in this thread, not to mention similar ones on this and other boards, forums and formats.

I shouldn't have to do this for you, but here's a handful from just the first dozen posts in this thread that all clearly imply this is about more than earning playing time based upon perceived performance in practices and scrimmages:

- Why do that to (Kiel), other than to disrespect him?
- Dude, that was just bizarre. I simply cannot understand what is going on with TT and Kiel.
- There is a method to the madness but it is apparently lost on mere mortals.
- I think Gunner and the coaching staff have a mutual understanding as to what's happening. It's an unfortunate situation for all involved (coaches, players, fans, etc.).
- ^ This....we clearly don't know the whole story

Seems to be just idle message board speculation, not sure I would call it conspiracy. People were confused, and rightly so, for the lack of playing time Kiel was getting. I would say just listening to CTT, that he was very positive and complimentary about Kiel a week before camp broke, then something changed. During his half time conversation with the media and his post game presser right after the ECU game he seemed to dwell on the mistakes Gunner made and not the positives. Not sure I had heard him do the same to the other QBS. People will infer what they want from instances such as that.

You mean like conspiracies? If not, then I'm not really sure what your point is anymore or if you are intentionally playing dumb. "Idle message board speculation", "confusion" and alluding to a "conspiracy" are not incompatible concepts; in fact, they often go hand in hand. You said you get the objective reasons (poor practice) the OC and HC weren't starting Kiel, but somehow weren't familiar with the dozens of posts alleging or implying something more than that was at work (e.g. a secret or non-public plan to risk losses by messing with or not playing Kiel involving some combo of TT and/or Taylor and/or other coaches and/or Chad and/or Kiel himself). I gave you five examples from just the first 12 posts in this 600 post thread alleging something more than the objective reasons were involved and as best as I understand it you are still arguing some unclear nuance about the term "conspiracy"? I'm not sure how else to help you with this.

I've said it before, but not in this specific thread.

Gunner must have questioned the direction of the new offense and thus Taylor! Not buying in, plus being "not very good in practice", plus an injury made it very easy for the staff to "dis" him to third string.

The offenses poor construct and poor performance; hence falling on Taylor, has now been more than born out!

(10-30-2016 09:12 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 08:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 08:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:49 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

I know the so called objective reasons, not getting it done in practice. I could care less about that as stated above. Maybe I am not familiar to these dozens of references you are posting about.

Seriously? C'mon. Then you obviously haven't read the 600 posts in this thread, not to mention similar ones on this and other boards, forums and formats.

I shouldn't have to do this for you, but here's a handful from just the first dozen posts in this thread that all clearly imply this is about more than earning playing time based upon perceived performance in practices and scrimmages:

- Why do that to (Kiel), other than to disrespect him?
- Dude, that was just bizarre. I simply cannot understand what is going on with TT and Kiel.
- There is a method to the madness but it is apparently lost on mere mortals.
- I think Gunner and the coaching staff have a mutual understanding as to what's happening. It's an unfortunate situation for all involved (coaches, players, fans, etc.).
- ^ This....we clearly don't know the whole story

Seems to be just idle message board speculation, not sure I would call it conspiracy. People were confused, and rightly so, for the lack of playing time Kiel was getting. I would say just listening to CTT, that he was very positive and complimentary about Kiel a week before camp broke, then something changed. During his half time conversation with the media and his post game presser right after the ECU game he seemed to dwell on the mistakes Gunner made and not the positives. Not sure I had heard him do the same to the other QBS. People will infer what they want from instances such as that.

You mean like conspiracies? If not, then I'm not really sure what your point is anymore or if you are intentionally playing dumb. "Idle message board speculation", "confusion" and alluding to a "conspiracy" are not incompatible concepts; in fact, they often go hand in hand. You said you get the objective reasons (poor practice) the OC and HC weren't starting Kiel, but somehow weren't familiar with the dozens of posts alleging or implying something more than that was at work (e.g. a secret or non-public plan to risk losses by messing with or not playing Kiel involving some combo of TT and/or Taylor and/or other coaches and/or Chad and/or Kiel himself). I gave you five examples from just the first 12 posts in this 600 post thread alleging something more than the objective reasons were involved and as best as I understand it you are still arguing some unclear nuance about the term "conspiracy"? I'm not sure how else to help you with this.

I guess I just don't care?

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"Conspiracy" implies there are aliens involved or something.

The situation was and is bizarre and unexplainable. That's it.