(10-27-2016 08:24 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Ironically, Kiel could save Tommy's season. Some strong, smartly played games by Kiel could put UC in a good position come bowl season. If UC finishes with 9 or 10 wins (after the bowl game), Tommy might be just fine...until next year.

So... You're presuming that:
1) We manage to secure a bowl invitation, and...
2) We WIN the bowl game.

I'll say we have a fighting chance at #1.
I don't think #2 is realistic.

7 wins with a bowl loss (thereby finishing 7-6) would be pretty good for this team.

7-6 means at least one more year of TT.

(10-27-2016 09:03 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:24 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Ironically, Kiel could save Tommy's season. Some strong, smartly played games by Kiel could put UC in a good position come bowl season. If UC finishes with 9 or 10 wins (after the bowl game), Tommy might be just fine...until next year.

I think even if Gunner plays lights out our ceiling is 7-5 at the end of the regular season. BYU and Memphis are going to be a tall task for this team. Heck, if we beat Temple this weekend it will be the best road win in the Tuberville era. At 7-5 I have to think the big donor class will be very upset and let Bohn hear about it. At 6-6 they will take call Bohn and say they are with holding funds.

Yet, 4-8 and 5-7 are the two most likely scenarios according to ESPN and teamrankings.

I think Temple game will be turning point of season one way or the other.

Eh I doubt these are the two most likely scenarios.. just because they'd be underdogs in almost every game, doesn't mean they'd be projected to lose that many over the course of that span. I'd imagine someing like 6-6 or 7-5 would be the most likely scenario at this point.

(10-27-2016 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 09:03 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:24 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Ironically, Kiel could save Tommy's season. Some strong, smartly played games by Kiel could put UC in a good position come bowl season. If UC finishes with 9 or 10 wins (after the bowl game), Tommy might be just fine...until next year.

I think even if Gunner plays lights out our ceiling is 7-5 at the end of the regular season. BYU and Memphis are going to be a tall task for this team. Heck, if we beat Temple this weekend it will be the best road win in the Tuberville era. At 7-5 I have to think the big donor class will be very upset and let Bohn hear about it. At 6-6 they will take call Bohn and say they are with holding funds.

Yet, 4-8 and 5-7 are the two most likely scenarios according to ESPN and teamrankings.

I think Temple game will be turning point of season one way or the other.

Eh I doubt these are the two most likely scenarios.. just because they'd be underdogs in almost every game, doesn't mean they'd be projected to lose that many over the course of that span. I'd imagine someing like 6-6 or 7-5 would be the most likely scenario at this point.

Cincinnati is projected to be 5-7 (2-6). ECU is awful, so beating them doesn't really mean much. Their win odds are 25% or less for every remaining game.

(10-27-2016 07:29 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:54 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Some 570 posts and nearly 41,000 views later, we are still wondering the deal with Kiel. At this point, all that really matters is Kiel can finish his UC career strong and hopefully gain the increased attention of NFL scouts.

That isn't all that really matters ... at all.

Tommy Tubberville's handling of this situation is a prime example of his ineptitude as a head coach.

And at this point we don't know how his decision making has affected the entire season but one could argue that with Kiel, UC likely wins the UConn game, and has a real shot at the Houston game. If UC is 6-1 right now they are ranked and in prime position for a shot at the AAC title game and thus the access bowl. I doubt that would have happened but I don't think its unrealistic to see that as a possibility.

And beyond that, Tubberville's decision making and the three early season losses has hurt UC's attendance figures for this year and more than likely for future years.
UC isn't a big time program with a huge fan base. So dumb decisions like this combined with early season losses is a huge detriment to an already fragile fan base.

You're preaching to the choir. I'd guess most on this board feel the same way. This is but another example of the overall futility of the current regime and it has been discussed ad nauseam. My comments, that you only quoted a portion of, were from the perspective that trying to figure this thing out after all this time in logical terms and based largely on conjecture is pointless. Nothing will change until the head coach either steps down or is fired. If Bohn is satisfied with this futility then that's on him. I'm tired of talking about the crap head coach and I no longer care about him. In order to keep interest for the remainder of the season, my focus has shifted to the players, and in particular, to Gunner's continued development and success. Carry on with trying make sense of it all or to argue points in logical terms but you're wasting your time.

[/quote] [b]I'm tired of talking about the crap head coach and I no longer care about him. In order to keep interest for the remainder of the season, my focus has shifted to the players, and in particular, to Gunner's continued development and success. Carry on with trying make sense of it all or to argue points in logical terms but you're wasting your time.[/b]
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This is why I am going to Philly for the Temple game.

I can't even imagine what it is like to have to "deal with" Coach #firetuberville day in and day out and listen to his never ending "We're going to have a competition, every practice and every snap, and whoever gives us the best chance to win, then that's who we're going to go with."

I really like this group of players. I really thought that this was going to be our year to shine.

And of course I've been drinking the Gunner Kiel Kool Aid for the last four years. It's really important to me that Gunner finishes very strong at UC. I want to see him go out on a high note.

If they were able to win 7 straight, despite the idiocy of coach #firetuberville... well, I think that that would really be something.

Go Bearcats!
DL

Meanwhile, our kicker commit is the only graded recruit by ESPN metrics...trending up!

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/footb...ol?id=2132

(10-27-2016 03:52 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Meanwhile, our kicker commit is the only graded recruit by ESPN metrics...trending up!

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/footb...ol?id=2132

10 of 12 commits are rated 3 star recruits by 24/7

(10-27-2016 11:27 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  7-6 means at least one more year of TT.

You really think so?? I sure hope not.

Tuberville should be forced to justify his existence as a $2 million per year occupant of the position of HC at UC. Perhaps he could justify the ruin he has brought - and then we could all embrace him. Perhaps.

(10-27-2016 09:33 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:24 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Ironically, Kiel could save Tommy's season. Some strong, smartly played games by Kiel could put UC in a good position come bowl season. If UC finishes with 9 or 10 wins (after the bowl game), Tommy might be just fine...until next year.

So... You're presuming that:
1) We manage to secure a bowl invitation, and...
2) We WIN the bowl game.

I'll say we have a fighting chance at #1.
I don't think #2 is realistic.

7 wins with a bowl loss (thereby finishing 7-6) would be pretty good for this team.

Not saying its going to happen. Just saying that Kiel's ability and desire to prove the coaching staff wrong, not to mention to prove himself to the NFL, could be good for Tommy, despite Tuberville not installing Kiel into the starting lineup until week 7. (Actually, from what Chad Brendel said on Mo's show earlier in the week, it sounds like Kiel truly had work to do to earn the spot.)

(10-28-2016 07:45 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 09:33 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:24 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Ironically, Kiel could save Tommy's season. Some strong, smartly played games by Kiel could put UC in a good position come bowl season. If UC finishes with 9 or 10 wins (after the bowl game), Tommy might be just fine...until next year.

So... You're presuming that:
1) We manage to secure a bowl invitation, and...
2) We WIN the bowl game.

I'll say we have a fighting chance at #1.
I don't think #2 is realistic.

7 wins with a bowl loss (thereby finishing 7-6) would be pretty good for this team.

Not saying its going to happen. Just saying that Kiel's ability and desire to prove the coaching staff wrong, not to mention to prove himself to the NFL, could be good for Tommy, despite Tuberville not installing Kiel into the starting lineup until week 7. (Actually, from what Chad Brendel said on Mo's show earlier in the week, it sounds like Kiel truly had work to do to earn the spot.)

It seems to me the others did a lot of work to lose the spot.

(10-26-2016 05:58 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 05:33 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat If Mickey had a bad spring do you bench him? If Pete was batting 200 in spring do you send him down?

With a guy who has proven him ability ON THE FIELD you only bench him if his performances are bad ON THE FIELD!

Damn - how could anyone answer that question any other way than AMEN?

CTT is done. Kiel aside he has trashed the program. I only wish one of the media in Cincinnati would ask CTT what he thinks he has accomplished in his fourth year? And then what evidence is there as a follow up question to his claims of great achievement? Hey - I have proved I am BOSS - program be damned I suspect would be his answer. The man has failed. He is a horrible fit for Cincinnati. If he has ANY class he will resign and go away. I do not expect any class from the man.

Yep, not buying the whole practice thing. Since Kiel has been here that has been the knock on him, not great in practice. Tubbs has been preaching the we don't have any receivers that can stretch the field, make big plays nonsense all year. Funny that people don't remember how touted Lewis was when he arrived here and lo and behold he has a huge game with Kiel throwing him the ball. Maybe we did not have big play receivers because we had QBs playing that could not get them the freaking ball.

In baseball parlance, Trail and Moore have no noodle.

(10-26-2016 04:03 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 02:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 02:15 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Who cares that Chad has attended tons of Bearcat practices and is probably about as close to the program (now that Tim has left) as anybody not actually in the program? Rath has un-named inside sources and dagnabbit this conspiracy he alone understands cannot be questioned by anyone.

So who and what are you going to believe? This "apologist's narrative" by some "jackwad", "delusional fanboy" Chad who is trying to make a living based upon his credibility on the subject? Or rath?

I find myself agreeing with you fairly regularly on this message board, but you are taking it a little over the top right now with your repeated posts seemingly trying to bait Rath. Settle down.

To the actual point of the post regarding Chad's comments about Gunner the practice failure, I'd say that people with access have a vested interest in protecting the staff in place. Chad's coverage is great, he's good at what he does and I make it a point to try to talk UC with him at almost every football game, but I'm not just going to take this point at face value without remembering he has to be on decent terms with the staff to do his job.

Next I would say Tuberville has two seasons of evidence of what Kiel can do, which probably should outweigh any struggles. There's just no comparison in the level of play each QB offers...

I really don't think Chad would parrot a party line on this if he didn't believe it was true. He's not employed by the university, but rather is an independent journalist covering UC sports. If he loses his credibility, there goes his subscribers.

Yes, it seems Chad has said it pretty consistently and clearly all along.

Quote:(Q) Chad, will the subscribers of this site ever know why he was not even getting practice reps prior to two weeks ago?

(A) He was getting practice reps, he just wasn't performing well. Not sure how many times it needs to be said...

If it was just about simply "protecting access", he certainly could have used a lot more ambiguous terms to also maintain a semblance of credibility. I don't claim to have the complete definitive answer, but I think Occam's razor is a good starting point.

1. Said QB misses bowl game for vague personal reasons.
2. New OC is hired with no history with these QBs
3. New OC is given the leeway to largely determine the starters on offense.
4. Just like every program in the country says nobody is guaranteed a job, they have to earn it in camp and practice.
5. Said QB is injured as new offense is installed putting him behind the competition.
6. Said QB performs very poorly in practice per primary external source (Chad. Plus there's stuff like EJ's private discussion with an assistant coach confirming it along with basically every report from those who saw the scrimmage...).
7. New OC actually followed #4 above and if there was a tie, followed the tie-breaker that you go with the younger guy in the program (who is more likely to get better over time).

I'm still waiting to hear a coherent explanation of rath & co's conspiracy...

I'm as big of a Kiel fan as most anybody here and I was thrilled to see him do well and win over ECU. Based upon what I've seen SOLELY in games, he'd be my choice, but based upon the above I can understand why the others got a chance too. And it's worth remembering that ECU had 1 sack for the SEASON iirc. I don't point the finger at Kiel for the Temple loss, but he saw a much different defense this past week and we saw much different results, especially in the 2nd half.

You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

The best thing for Tuberville is for the focus to be on Gunner.

IMO a far better discussion essentially ignores the Gunner situation - it is a symptom - not the cause.

The reality is that in year four the team is on a strong downward trajectory. In year four we have AT BEST a mid level MAC roster.

On top of that we have destroyed the good that we have. Just look at what has happened to Boone. Special teams are a complete disaster.

From my perspective CTT has ruined the program from top to bottom.

(10-30-2016 11:26 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

(10-30-2016 03:33 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 11:26 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

(10-30-2016 07:43 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 03:33 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 11:26 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  You keep saying conspiracy, but most people just believe TT is a terrible coach who does not give a crap. The, "Gunner must have done this or that" comments are said in jest and because no one can objectively find reasons why Gunner Kiel would not be playing. Not much conspiracy there.

Spot on. No clue what this conspiracy Hawkeye is touting. CTT made the wrong decision not getting Gunner in game action and it has turned into a disaster. As I have said before, the knock on Gunner was not a star in practice. Who freaking cares, it's about winning darn games.

What's not to get? Chad and others have been giving you the objective reasons all season and I basically laid them all out there again above. Yet there's dozens of references to some vague unknown "real story" or the like and most of them are not in jest. I'm not touting a conspiracy, I'm debunking one.

I know the so called objective reasons, not getting it done in practice. I could care less about that as stated above. Maybe I am not familiar to these dozens of references you are posting about.