(09-14-2016 10:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 05:00 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Eh, no different then the Nebraska/Michigan St game last year.
(Nebraska scored the winning TD on a penalty - their receiver clearly went out of bounds and back in before catching the ball. Rules state you can't do that. If Michigan St had won the game and lost to Ohio St, Ohio St probably would've gone to the playoff)

FWIW, the NCAA said today that not only is the result of the CMU - OKST game final in the sense that neither the NCAA nor the conferences involved can change the result, it is also is not possible for CMU to "give" the win to OKST by forfeiting it to them or somesuch even if they wanted to. Schools don't have the power to transfer wins/losses between themselves.

IOW's, it's as final and official as it gets.

Actually they do and have done it in the past. Long ago past.

(09-14-2016 06:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:41 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:4th down, 10 seconds left on the clock. Rather than trying to go for the first, the entire offense who is not the QB starts grabbing the defense, committing holds and throwing the them to the ground illegally as the QB just sits there not getting tackled waiting for time to expire. With no rules saying a game can't end on an offensive penalty, there's nothing to prevent this from happening.

They can do that now. But say you're holding and throwing them to the ground trying to make a penalty, but -- all 10 seconds doesn't run off at the end of the play. As you say, the QB is chilling away from it all. The play can go dead kinda quick. The defense Declines the penalty -- their ball with 1-5 seconds left on the clock. :)

The focus should be on burning out the clock if you're not going to punt -- not causing penalties to burn it. That would be too risky in your situation for them to screw it up and not burn all 10 seconds. But sure, that's One avenue. Punting if a little too much time, or running backwards with a scheme which would burn more time off is another.

In OKSt's situation, it was Freaking Easy to burn 4 seconds off. All he had to do was run around out of the pocket, mostly backwards, and get ready to slide. If your O-Line screwed up and CMU guys came in real quick, out of the pocket you THEN throw it in the stands -- not intentional grounding. Most likely you just slide. Easy.

Bottom line is that the OK State coach was himself wrong to say he made a dumb call. In fact, his call was perfect, it burned up the 4 seconds on the clock exactly as planned, and did so without any backward running, which would be really dumb (why on earth would you want to try to kill the clock by any means that would advance the ball TOWARDS the very goal line that could beat you?).

He couldn't possibly account for the refs not knowing the rules. Nobody could.

It just kind of amazes me that we do see situations where the referees and coaches don't know the rules. And it amazes me nobody on the OSU sideline figured out there was an issue.

@Bullet

Stanford still doesn't recognize the Stanford Band Play.

Edit: to clarify, that means they also don't recognize the outcome.