(09-11-2016 07:54 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:57 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 04:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The rule needs to be changed so that the games can not end under an offense penalty either. That to me is cheating just to win, and be unsportsmanlike on the winning team. Even Gundy said he do not blamed the refs. it was his fault that it happened.

He said it was a stupid playcall, not that he didn't blame the refs. He just didn't press the issue with the refs because it shouldn't have come down to that.

What's really stupid is that he should have had the QB throw the ball out of the back of the end zone, as there is no penalty for that and time would have run out.

Honestly he didn't want to affect his team stats, so it didn't seem like a viable option to him.

Then he should be fired at the end of the season for having such a stupid rationale. A throw out the back of the end zone accomplishes the same stat and goal, with no penalty.

And on second thought he shouldn't be fired after the season but immeadiately if anything like that crossed his mind vis-a-vis throwing it out the back of the end zone.

That's right Mr. Gundy, you're a man whose now almost 50 and I just came after you, deal with it.

[To his credit, he admitted to being a bonehead]

(09-11-2016 04:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  Because the rule is perfect the way it is. CMU did not have the ball, so there is no reason for them to get an extra play.

There's the reason that according to the rule as it stands, the team committing the rule infraction gains a reward, instead of suffering a penalty.

Which, of course, encourages that rule infraction in that situation, instead of discouraging it.

Okla St was up 3 with 4 seconds left.

I've seen coaches have their QB run around and even take a safety in that situation.

In the future, everybody will roll out before throwing it in the stands.

Miracles do happen. This one is classic comedy !

It should never be in your advantage to commit a penalty. I agree with the OP. The rule needs changed.

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

If I could give you reputation points for that, I would.

(09-12-2016 05:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Okla St was up 3 with 4 seconds left.

I've seen coaches have their QB run around and even take a safety in that situation.

In the future, everybody will roll out before throwing it in the stands.

Was it only four seconds left? I thought it was more. With only four seconds left, you keep all eleven in, and let the punter run around and just kick it out of bou.......

[checks the tape]





Oh wait, my bad. Carry on...

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Of course, they needed to defend the pass better and its irrelevant.

The only time I can think of a similar case was the 1972 Olympics when they gave the Russians 3 tries to make a final basket.

(09-12-2016 09:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Last year Miami vs. Duke?

(09-12-2016 09:46 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 05:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Okla St was up 3 with 4 seconds left.

I've seen coaches have their QB run around and even take a safety in that situation.

In the future, everybody will roll out before throwing it in the stands.

Was it only four seconds left? I thought it was more. With only four seconds left, you keep all eleven in, and let the punter run around and just kick it out of bou.......

[checks the tape]





Oh wait, my bad. Carry on...

Well they just should have sent a receiver down the field and thrown it out of bounds over his head.

Regarding the play in question: why was it necessary to throw at all?
If the clock was down to 0:00, why not take a sack? So I can't really blame the refs without also blaming the qb and the coach.


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(09-11-2016 07:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 05:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No game should end on a penalty.

That should be the overriding rule that governs these situations.

The only thing would be- if offense is leading and were to commit say a holding penalty, I'd have no issue with the game ending then- because there's no loss of down component. But if it's 4th down, and you have a loss of down penalty, the game shouldn't end.

The game should still end in that situation if the clock is at 0:00 and the team committing the penalty is still in possession of the ball when the penalty is committed.

I agree with this. I think the rule is fine as is.

(09-12-2016 09:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Of course, they needed to defend the pass better and its irrelevant.

The only time I can think of a similar case was the 1972 Olympics when they gave the Russians 3 tries to make a final basket.

Game cant end on defensive penalty so its not that foriegn a concept. The refs got confused because they had probably never seen anything that dumb. There have been times when the offense got an extra play. The chunk outa bounds was a dumb*** move and the rule will be changed. The fact that there wasnt a rule to cover a play as idiotic as osu doesnt mean it was the wrong call. I gues we need a rule stating the offense cant hurl feces to end the game too.

One play. I guess cowboys do cry.

(09-12-2016 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 09:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Of course, they needed to defend the pass better and its irrelevant.

The only time I can think of a similar case was the 1972 Olympics when they gave the Russians 3 tries to make a final basket.

Game cant end on defensive penalty so its not that foriegn a concept. The refs got confused because they had probably never seen anything that dumb. There have been times when the offense got an extra play. The chunk outa bounds was a dumb*** move and the rule will be changed. The fact that there wasnt a rule to cover a play as idiotic as osu doesnt mean it was the wrong call. I gues we need a rule stating the offense cant hurl feces to end the game too.

One play. I guess cowboys do cry.

I'd say the fact that the officiating crew and the replay crew all got suspended says it was probably the wrong call.

(09-12-2016 12:20 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 09:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Of course, they needed to defend the pass better and its irrelevant.

The only time I can think of a similar case was the 1972 Olympics when they gave the Russians 3 tries to make a final basket.

Game cant end on defensive penalty so its not that foriegn a concept. The refs got confused because they had probably never seen anything that dumb. There have been times when the offense got an extra play. The chunk outa bounds was a dumb*** move and the rule will be changed. The fact that there wasnt a rule to cover a play as idiotic as osu doesnt mean it was the wrong call. I gues we need a rule stating the offense cant hurl feces to end the game too.

One play. I guess cowboys do cry.

I'd say the fact that the officiating crew and the replay crew all got suspended says it was probably the wrong call.

They got suspended because they didn't apply what the rule currently on the books is. That doesn't mean that's how the rule should be.

(09-12-2016 12:20 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 09:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 08:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All this whining from mcmurphy and folks in stoolwater could have been avoided if osu had just taken care of business and scored more points. Bad calls have been part of the game forever. 5th down anyone?

But when has the bad call ever been AFTER the game was over?

Of course, they needed to defend the pass better and its irrelevant.

The only time I can think of a similar case was the 1972 Olympics when they gave the Russians 3 tries to make a final basket.

Game cant end on defensive penalty so its not that foriegn a concept. The refs got confused because they had probably never seen anything that dumb. There have been times when the offense got an extra play. The chunk outa bounds was a dumb*** move and the rule will be changed. The fact that there wasnt a rule to cover a play as idiotic as osu doesnt mean it was the wrong call. I gues we need a rule stating the offense cant hurl feces to end the game too.

One play. I guess cowboys do cry.

I'd say the fact that the officiating crew and the replay crew all got suspended says it was probably the wrong call.

Yes they all blew it. It wasn't a bad thing that they did because it was a real bizarre use case (on 2nd down it's ok to end the game that way is something that has to be thought through) but it was a fringe case.

The crews had to be suspended if that's what's done when existing rules aren't enforced. Because they didn't.

(09-12-2016 09:46 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 05:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Okla St was up 3 with 4 seconds left.

I've seen coaches have their QB run around and even take a safety in that situation.

In the future, everybody will roll out before throwing it in the stands.

Was it only four seconds left? I thought it was more. With only four seconds left, you keep all eleven in, and let the punter run around and just kick it out of bou.......

[checks the tape]





Oh wait, my bad. Carry on...

Meanwhile, during the University of Michigan coaches meeting yesterday, "Did you hear about the CMU-OSU game? Why didn't we know about this flawed rule last year! We should have penalized our way to victory; wrestling, tripping, and squirting pepper sauce into the Spartan defense. It would allowed our punter the time to pick up the ball and pooch it downfield where no MSU player would be found. Sure, with the penalties the ball would have wound up on our 1/2 yard line in the Spartan's possession, but with 0:00 on the clock the game would have been over!!!"

(09-12-2016 01:02 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 09:46 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-12-2016 05:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Okla St was up 3 with 4 seconds left.

I've seen coaches have their QB run around and even take a safety in that situation.

In the future, everybody will roll out before throwing it in the stands.

Was it only four seconds left? I thought it was more. With only four seconds left, you keep all eleven in, and let the punter run around and just kick it out of bou.......

[checks the tape]





Oh wait, my bad. Carry on...

Meanwhile, during the University of Michigan coaches meeting yesterday, "Did you hear about the CMU-OSU game? Why didn't we know about this flawed rule last year! We should have penalized our way to victory; wrestling, tripping, and squirting pepper sauce into the Spartan defense. It would allowed our punter the time to pick up the ball and pooch it downfield where no MSU player would be found. Sure, with the penalties the ball would have wound up on our 1/2 yard line in the Spartan's possession, but with 0:00 on the clock the game would have been over!!!"

The ONLY difference though is if Michigan had been called for holding on that play, it would have still been Michigan ball. Where the CMU-OSU game is different is the penalty was a loss of down penalty.

Quote:The game should still end in that situation if the clock is at 0:00 and the team committing the penalty is still in possession of the ball when the penalty is committed.

Of course the team committing the penalty is "still" in possession of the ball WHEN the penalty is committed.

You mean if they're still in possession After (like if it was intentional grounding on 3rd down, not 4th)?

I would disagree there. Say it was 3rd down with 4 seconds left, and had to run a final play. It was a dumb call to do the intentional grounding -- why not run free for a few seconds or heave it down field where nobody is, etc? Plenty of ways. So say they do the intentional grounding -- I say, you gotta go again if penalty accepted. So okay, now 4th down, 0:00 left, and you have to run a play -- kneel the ball. Game over.

Kind of like the losing team scores a TD but fails their onside kick, as you, the winning team recovers the kickoff. There's 2 seconds left. Why even have you run a play? You'll just kneel it, right? Why not just let the clock run out automatically? That's how I see "let game end on a penalty if it's not a loss of down penalty".

BUT, trying to read your statement -- it brought up THIS idea, where I could see the exception rule INTENDED FOR:

Say it WAS 3rd down and he threw the ball away for Intentional Grounding. Okay, 4th down, 0:00 -- you have to run another play -- it can't end on a penalty against you. OK. ON THE NEXT ONE, on 4th down and already 0:00, you unnecessarily throw the ball away again. *THEN* I can understand said exception rule. Maybe that's what the rule was intended for -- when it's *ALREADY* 0:00 before your play post-penalty, another loss-of-down penalty is had -- but it was had not To run out the clock, as it's Already 0:00. I can understand THAT one, although I think the exception had the LOSING team doing the penalty in mind.

In the end, the least complicated, common-sense one should be that a game should not end on an accepted penalty.