Source: Les Miles reviewing coordinators for a return to coaching in 2017

Quote:"I'm looking for a place dedicated to the players' achievement in the classroom and that wants to win championships," said Miles, who turned down television offers after his dismissal at LSU. "If there's an athletic director and president that wants to do that, I'm in line."

Miles has had a solid track record in hiring impact coordinators in the past such as Jimbo Fisher, John Chavis and Dave Aranda at LSU and Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State.

"Since getting fired at LSU, Les has really had an epiphany on how he needs to open up offensively at his next stop," an industry source said. "He is committed to it."

edit: might RUOWLS be able to help Les?

(11-03-2016 01:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Source: Les Miles reviewing coordinators for a return to coaching in 2017

Quote:"I'm looking for a place dedicated to the players' achievement in the classroom and that wants to win championships," said Miles, who turned down television offers after his dismissal at LSU. "If there's an athletic director and president that wants to do that, I'm in line."

Miles has had a solid track record in hiring impact coordinators in the past such as Jimbo Fisher, John Chavis and Dave Aranda at LSU and Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State.

"Since getting fired at LSU, Les has really had an epiphany on how he needs to open up offensively at his next stop," an industry source said. "He is committed to it."

edit: might RUOWLS be able to help Les?

Hire Miles. Give him 3 million- then watch the real reason Rice does not win.

Unfortunately, that is what you have to pay these days to get us into a major conference.

(11-03-2016 01:41 PM)ETx Owl Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 01:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Source: Les Miles reviewing coordinators for a return to coaching in 2017

Quote:"I'm looking for a place dedicated to the players' achievement in the classroom and that wants to win championships," said Miles, who turned down television offers after his dismissal at LSU. "If there's an athletic director and president that wants to do that, I'm in line."

Miles has had a solid track record in hiring impact coordinators in the past such as Jimbo Fisher, John Chavis and Dave Aranda at LSU and Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State.

"Since getting fired at LSU, Les has really had an epiphany on how he needs to open up offensively at his next stop," an industry source said. "He is committed to it."

edit: might RUOWLS be able to help Les?

Hire Miles. Give him 3 million- then watch the real reason Rice does not win.

Let's stop the Strong, Miles, etc. talk. There are likely somewhere between 10-20 P5 jobs that are going to be open next season. Those two guys will be at one of those jobs. 18 of top 30 on Coaches Hot Seat are P5 programs. G5 is going to be a hungry coordinator, a head coach at FCS, or a washed-up coach looking to rebuild due to damaged reputation or nobody else at P5 wants him (O'Leary, Toledo, Petrino, etc.)

Strong and Les are not (yet) in that last category. If they stub their toe at next P5 gig, then maybe they can be considered for Rice.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

(11-05-2016 10:36 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Let's stop the Strong, Miles, etc. talk. There are likely somewhere between 10-20 P5 jobs that are going to be open next season. Those two guys will be at one of those jobs. 18 of top 30 on Coaches Hot Seat are P5 programs. G5 is going to be a hungry coordinator, a head coach at FCS, or a washed-up coach looking to rebuild due to damaged reputation or nobody else at P5 wants him (O'Leary, Toledo, Petrino, etc.)

Strong and Les are not (yet) in that last category. If they stub their toe at next P5 gig, then maybe they can be considered for Rice.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

agree.

Money talks baby.Is Rice ready to pay up and compete with the big boys. UH has.

(11-05-2016 11:42 AM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:36 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Let's stop the Strong, Miles, etc. talk. There are likely somewhere between 10-20 P5 jobs that are going to be open next season. Those two guys will be at one of those jobs. 18 of top 30 on Coaches Hot Seat are P5 programs. G5 is going to be a hungry coordinator, a head coach at FCS, or a washed-up coach looking to rebuild due to damaged reputation or nobody else at P5 wants him (O'Leary, Toledo, Petrino, etc.)

Strong and Les are not (yet) in that last category. If they stub their toe at next P5 gig, then maybe they can be considered for Rice.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

agree.

Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Not those who enjoy participating in intramurals.

FTR, Charlotte beat So Miss, getting 3 TOs and shutting them out in the 2nd and 3rd and then they gave up 13 4th quarter points while scoring none to make the game look competitive


and NC STate has a grey uniform

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.

Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.

He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.

He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).

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Are we there yet?

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

(11-06-2016 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

After yesterday can anyone still claim the team hasn't completely quit on this staff? Just remove his presence for the rest of the season so that we can finish this disaster and know there will be better times ahead. The fear that the new HC could be just as bad as Bailiff is hard to imagine after seeing this season. Far worse than Berndt's winless year and any of the previous horrible seasons on South Main.

(11-06-2016 07:51 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

After yesterday can anyone still claim the team hasn't completely quit on this staff? Just remove his presence for the rest of the season so that we can finish this disaster and know there will be better times ahead. The fear that the new HC could be just as bad as Bailiff is hard to imagine after seeing this season. Far worse than Berndt's winless year and any of the previous horrible seasons on South Main.

This team has quit on the staff, and I think the staff had quit on the team some time ago. It's about the worst situation imaginable. As I said in response to someone's RFND comment, what I see happening is RFD.

But at this point, I still don't see what you accomplish with a mid-season sacking. You're either going to elevate someone from within--which looks like rewarding mediocrity and which I can't see accomplishing anything--or trying to find somebody to come in from outside--which means you are looking at the likes of Neuheisel, Hawkins, and Mack Brown, none of whom I would like to see. Worst possible outcome would seem to be you promote an interim, finish with 2 wins and a strong showing at Stanford, decide to make the interim permanent, and basically perpetuate the regime that got us into the mess.

One exception. If there's somebody on the staff who pretty much disagrees with Bailiff on everything and is extremely frustrated with being overruled constantly, I'd consider giving him a three-game shot at it. But I'm not aware of any situation like that.

I've felt for several weeks that the way to proceed is to negotiate the buyout, announce that he'll finish the season but won't be coming back, and get hot on the search for a replacement who has been successful in other programs with limited resources. The focus has to be on finding the right replacement and nothing else, and in particular we should do nothing that might hamper that effort.

(11-06-2016 08:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:51 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

After yesterday can anyone still claim the team hasn't completely quit on this staff? Just remove his presence for the rest of the season so that we can finish this disaster and know there will be better times ahead. The fear that the new HC could be just as bad as Bailiff is hard to imagine after seeing this season. Far worse than Berndt's winless year and any of the previous horrible seasons on South Main.

This team has quit on the staff, and I think the staff had quit on the team some time ago. It's about the worst situation imaginable. As I said in response to someone's RFND comment, what I see happening is RFD.

But at this point, I still don't see what you accomplish with a mid-season sacking. You're either going to elevate someone from within--which looks like rewarding mediocrity and which I can't see accomplishing anything--or trying to find somebody to come in from outside--which means you are looking at the likes of Neuheisel, Hawkins, and Mack Brown, none of whom I would like to see. Worst possible outcome would seem to be you promote an interim, finish with 2 wins and a strong showing at Stanford, decide to make the interim permanent, and basically perpetuate the regime that got us into the mess.

One exception. If there's somebody on the staff who pretty much disagrees with Bailiff on everything and is extremely frustrated with being overruled constantly, I'd consider giving him a three-game shot at it. But I'm not aware of any situation like that.

I've felt for several weeks that the way to proceed is to negotiate the buyout, announce that he'll finish the season but won't be coming back, and get hot on the search for a replacement who has been successful in other programs with limited resources. The focus has to be on finding the right replacement and nothing else, and in particular we should do nothing that might hamper that effort.

In my opinion, this is just nuts. Firing now will accomplish many things. First it will assure those of us (players, fans, etc) who doubt the admin's resolve that it really will fire him.

Using one of the head coaches as an interim cannot be worse than what we have now.

Firing him now will I think facilitate JK's searching for a replacement. He won't appear to be sneaking behind DB's back.

As far as being a meanie for an immediate firing, there are a number of responses. 1. From the large number in season firing this year, it seems to be standard practice. 2. Coaching is very high reward; usually risk comes with reward. We have made it high reward, low risk. 3. It seems rather vicious to put a coach through the agony of coaching when he knows that he will not be back.

(11-06-2016 08:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:51 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 01:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Does Dan Hawkins do anything for anybody?

Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

After yesterday can anyone still claim the team hasn't completely quit on this staff? Just remove his presence for the rest of the season so that we can finish this disaster and know there will be better times ahead. The fear that the new HC could be just as bad as Bailiff is hard to imagine after seeing this season. Far worse than Berndt's winless year and any of the previous horrible seasons on South Main.

This team has quit on the staff, and I think the staff had quit on the team some time ago. It's about the worst situation imaginable. As I said in response to someone's RFND comment, what I see happening is RFD.

But at this point, I still don't see what you accomplish with a mid-season sacking. You're either going to elevate someone from within--which looks like rewarding mediocrity and which I can't see accomplishing anything--or trying to find somebody to come in from outside--which means you are looking at the likes of Neuheisel, Hawkins, and Mack Brown, none of whom I would like to see. Worst possible outcome would seem to be you promote an interim, finish with 2 wins and a strong showing at Stanford, decide to make the interim permanent, and basically perpetuate the regime that got us into the mess.

One exception. If there's somebody on the staff who pretty much disagrees with Bailiff on everything and is extremely frustrated with being overruled constantly, I'd consider giving him a three-game shot at it. But I'm not aware of any situation like that.

I've felt for several weeks that the way to proceed is to negotiate the buyout, announce that he'll finish the season but won't be coming back, and get hot on the search for a replacement who has been successful in other programs with limited resources. The focus has to be on finding the right replacement and nothing else, and in particular we should do nothing that might hamper that effort.

Sorry, Ranger, but I agree with Chip on this one. If we had a competent assistant who warranted a promotion on an interim basis it would be different, but we clearly don't. As I've opined previously (though I have no inside information on this), I think the decision has already been made and that JK and DB have already negotiated the terms for his departure, to be announced within 2 - 3 days of the season finale. The focus now has to be on identifying and recruiting DB's replacement.

(11-06-2016 08:39 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 08:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:51 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 07:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-05-2016 10:47 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  Koetter was the one who got Boise State going. Hawkins kept it going, and took it to greater heights, but I wouldn't credit him with a turnaround, and Rice needs the mother of all turnarounds.
Coaching at a glorified juco with low academic standards is not experience that would likely translate to Rice. I think a Rice coach needs to have some familiarity with an academics-first environment.
He also flopped at Colorado, although CU should probably take some of the blame - seemed like a dysfunctional place that was skimping on resources at the time. Wait: sounds like Rice, actually. Maybe he does have the right experience for Rice . . . except presumably we want someone who can win despite poor resources, since apparently we don't plan to increase ours appreciably.
He's been in the booth for a few years now (was just annoying me today on the Illinois-Michigan State game, as a matter of fact) so either he doesn't want to coach, can't get hired anywhere, or is waiting for what he considers the right situation (a la Bob Davie, who actually might have been a good fit for Rice if only we had been in the market at the time - c'est la vie).
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For those who want to sack Bailiff immediately, just going over the list of availables, unless you promote an interim from within.

After yesterday can anyone still claim the team hasn't completely quit on this staff? Just remove his presence for the rest of the season so that we can finish this disaster and know there will be better times ahead. The fear that the new HC could be just as bad as Bailiff is hard to imagine after seeing this season. Far worse than Berndt's winless year and any of the previous horrible seasons on South Main.

This team has quit on the staff, and I think the staff had quit on the team some time ago. It's about the worst situation imaginable. As I said in response to someone's RFND comment, what I see happening is RFD.

But at this point, I still don't see what you accomplish with a mid-season sacking. You're either going to elevate someone from within--which looks like rewarding mediocrity and which I can't see accomplishing anything--or trying to find somebody to come in from outside--which means you are looking at the likes of Neuheisel, Hawkins, and Mack Brown, none of whom I would like to see. Worst possible outcome would seem to be you promote an interim, finish with 2 wins and a strong showing at Stanford, decide to make the interim permanent, and basically perpetuate the regime that got us into the mess.

One exception. If there's somebody on the staff who pretty much disagrees with Bailiff on everything and is extremely frustrated with being overruled constantly, I'd consider giving him a three-game shot at it. But I'm not aware of any situation like that.

I've felt for several weeks that the way to proceed is to negotiate the buyout, announce that he'll finish the season but won't be coming back, and get hot on the search for a replacement who has been successful in other programs with limited resources. The focus has to be on finding the right replacement and nothing else, and in particular we should do nothing that might hamper that effort.

Sorry, Ranger, but I agree with Chip on this one. If we had a competent assistant who warranted a promotion on an interim basis it would be different, but we clearly don't. As I've opined previously (though I have no inside information on this), I think the decision has already been made and that JK and DB have already negotiated the terms for his departure, to be announced within 2 - 3 days of the season finale. The focus now has to be on identifying and recruiting DB's replacement.

I'd like to see DB gone also, but at this point, I don't see how waiting another 20 days will matter in any regard. This team isn't winning any more games either way. What a away for JK to return to Stanford - with this winless (sorry, I'm not counting an FCS win) team tagging along for an end-of-season exhibition game. Announce on 11/27 that DB will not be returning, and that a search is underway (hopefully, it is already).

If you can't fire someone who just lost at home by 17 to the 2nd worst team in the country, then your position is basically that it is never acceptable to fire a coach during the season for performance reasons. That seems like a very odd position.

Firing Bailiff now enables you to run a broader search for his replacement and get a head start on that critical process. It also sends a signal to fans, donors, and recruits that change is coming and that this level of incompetence is in no way tolerated.

Turning the question around, what good does it do to keep Bailiff in place through the end of the season? Can anyone answer that?

(11-06-2016 09:38 AM)Volente Beach Owl Wrote:  Firing Bailiff now enables you to run a broader search for his replacement and get a head start on that critical process. It also sends a signal to fans, donors, and recruits that change is coming and that this level of incompetence is in no way tolerated.

Turning the question around, what good does it do to keep Bailiff in place through the end of the season? Can anyone answer that?

Some of us already have-- if keeping Bailiff on until the season ends is part of a negotiated settlement that dramatically reduces his buyout, then it make sense, especially since we don't have a competent or deserving interim coach on our current staff. I don't see how this inhibits our working on recruiting our next head coach.