(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

Old Dominion does have the spending for their athletics that are AAC levels, and they are adding more seatings to their football stadium. That is why they are one of te favorites to be added to AAC.

(07-28-2016 09:44 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:43 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  IT seems with the talent pool out there and with some of the moving pieces to things that it might come down to CUSA being ripped apart for MWC and AAC expansion/backfilling needs that could most likely leave the lower end schools that came to CUSA out in the cold because at that point I don't think CUSA would have anything to offer a current MAC or SBC school to gravitate towards it financially.

It appears that the CUSA will be the one that gets hit hard.

If they did, how could anyone tell?

No, the CUSA keg is kicked. The AAC should add the two best FB playing schools in the eastern G5 and those are in the MAC. Then add UMass all sports and VCU to off balance Navy. Still sitting at 12 members for FB and now back up to 12 members in BBall with not as big a loss in basketball as staying at 9 would be.

NIU, Toledo/Ohio, UMass and VCU. That helps retain most of the value (not all but most) of the TV contract.

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

(07-28-2016 09:38 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I actually am sitting here feeling bad for all the teams left behind (including Memphis if they dont make the cut).
What is happening is terrible.

Just like when UC, USF and UConn got left out of the BCS when the BE fell apart. Don't fret, I believe there will be 3 maybe 4 more call ups to the B12 once the GOR expires. I see Texas looking at options.

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

Yeah, it seems like basketball is a bonus in this expansion. Cincy, Memphis and BYU are all competent. Not great bball powers but not dregs who might actually get better in the league.

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

I never said that it would drive it. However, as I previously stated, Memphis football was a joke before Fuente (and Fuente actually only had two winning seasons there - 2014, 2015. His first two seasons there in 2012 and 2013 were a tough building project). So, a school that only had two winning seasons in football in recent memory with a coach that is no longer there is driving the bus? Riiiiiiight.

(07-28-2016 11:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

I never said that it would drive it. However, as I previously stated, Memphis football was a joke before Fuente (and Fuente actually only had two winning seasons there - 2014, 2015. His first two seasons there in 2012 and 2013 were a tough building project). So, a school that only had two winning seasons in recent memory with a coach that is no longer there is driving the bus? Riiiiiiight.

2 things...
1- it's not like UConn has better football.
2- Memphis has light years better geography

(07-28-2016 11:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  at some point geography matters. And UConn's geography sucks for the Big 12.

And while UConn's basketball may be better than Memphis- the Big 12 already has that in spades. They're not looking to upgrade in basketball. And Memphis is still good enough to make their basketball a positive.

The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

I never said that it would drive it. However, as I previously stated, Memphis football was a joke before Fuente (and Fuente actually only had two winning seasons there - 2014, 2015. His first two seasons there in 2012 and 2013 were a tough building project). So, a school that only had two winning seasons in recent memory with a coach that is no longer there is driving the bus? Riiiiiiight.

2 things...
1- it's not like UConn has better football.
2- Memphis has light years better geography

I agree with your 2 things. But I have 2 things, too.

2 things...
1 - UConn can bring NYC eyeballs and money. Memphis can't.
2 - UConn brings solid academics. That matters to Texas and Kansas.

(07-28-2016 10:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:51 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I highly doubt it. C-USA has too many schools as it is. They could lose 4 or even 6 and still survive. There are still several FCS schools that would like to move up, and I don't see the AAC going past 10 if they drop to or below 10.

Yeah, only way it happens is if C-USA is eaten by MWC, AAC and SB/MAC at the same time. Which is entirely possible, if unlikely.

Not unless they are going to 16. Still too many schools left.

They will always be able to get Sun Belt schools, who are mostly new move-ups. Plus it enables the Sun Belt schools to slip away from the hybrid membership with UTA and UALR.

Don't count on it. Right now zero Sun Belt schools would automatically move to CUSA without an in depth study and depending who CUSA lost I would think that almost zero would even entertain the possibility. Sun Belt schools already make an equal amount in revenue as the current CUSA schools and if CUSA was robbed of what's left of its top programs then incentive to move would be even less.

(07-28-2016 11:40 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:09 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  The Big 12 has great basketball... that flames out every year in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 has three national championships to show for it since 1998, all earned by Kansas (1952, 1988, 2008).

UConn alone has four since 1999 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014). A team like UConn gives the Big 12 a key matchup for Kansas and another team that can earn a lot of tournament credits for the league ($$$) and hang a lot of banners.

As for the UConn women, the Big 12 gets the best team ever. The women would provide a lot of content if the Big 12 ever forms a network. Plus, the Big 12 cares about that sport - as a conference, they have the highest attendance for women's basketball.

UConn football? Bring Big 12 teams to UConn and the crowds will return on Day 1.

sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

I never said that it would drive it. However, as I previously stated, Memphis football was a joke before Fuente (and Fuente actually only had two winning seasons there - 2014, 2015. His first two seasons there in 2012 and 2013 were a tough building project). So, a school that only had two winning seasons in recent memory with a coach that is no longer there is driving the bus? Riiiiiiight.

2 things...
1- it's not like UConn has better football.
2- Memphis has light years better geography

I agree with your 2 things. But I have 2 things, too.

2 things...
1 - UConn can bring NYC eyeballs and money. Memphis can't.
2 - UConn brings solid academics. That matters to Texas and Kansas.

I see your 2 things, and raise you FedEx.

I think the big question will be geography. And that's UConn's albatross right now. If they were even in Philly or DC- they would have had a lot better shot.

(07-28-2016 08:43 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  IT seems with the talent pool out there and with some of the moving pieces to things that it might come down to CUSA being ripped apart for MWC and AAC expansion/backfilling needs that could most likely leave the lower end schools that came to CUSA out in the cold because at that point I don't think CUSA would have anything to offer a current MAC or SBC school to gravitate towards it financially.

Doubtful CUSA will go anywhere. Odds are they have 6 teams left if such a thing happened. They only need two to get them to the required 8. You have NMSU and UMASS that could join or two FCS to join.

There a bunch of FCS that would jump at the chance to be in CUSA. Liberty, JMU, Kennesaw St. and EKU are the first to come to mind. NCAA would likely grant a waiver while those schools play their 1 year FCS independence.

(07-28-2016 11:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Old Dominion does have the spending for their athletics that are AAC levels, and they are adding more seatings to their football stadium. That is why they are one of te favorites to be added to AAC.

You literally don't have a clue.

You didn't even list Marshall in your "best of the rest."

ODU has a nice budget yeah, but it is almost 70% subsidized. Hell, anyone can do that.

As for the new stadium at ODU. They have not secured the funding for the stadium, all they have done is released drawing/sketches of a PROPOSAL. Even that is only 22,000 seats which is TINY. So once again....Hell, anyone can release drawings of a proposal.

AAC: Loses 3 backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13 and does not backfill.

AAC: Loses 2, no backfill
MWC: Loses one, backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13, no backfill

AAC: loses 2, backfills by 2/ loses 3 backfills by 3
MWC: loses one, backfills by 1/ loses 0
CUSA: at 11. perhaps calls up someone from FCS, perhaps no backfills, perhaps can grab one school from Sun Belt.

(07-28-2016 12:20 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  AAC: Loses 3 backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13 and does not backfill.

AAC: Loses 2, no backfill
MWC: Loses one, backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13, no backfill

AAC: loses 2, backfills by 2/ loses 3 backfills by 3
MWC: loses one, backfills by 1/ loses 0
CUSA: at 11. perhaps calls up someone from FCS, perhaps no backfills, perhaps can grab one school from Sun Belt.

The AAC loses 3, they will have to do more than just add 1. They would have 10 for football- but only 9 basketball. Bare minimum they would need to add a bball only school.

Also, if CUSA loses just 1 school- it's very possible they would expand back to 14. CUSA with how far flung it is needs travel partners for basketball.

(07-28-2016 09:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  AAC East:
UConn.
Charlotte
UCF
USF
Temple
East Carolina
Old Dominion

AAC West:
Rice
SMU
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
Southern Mississippi
UTSA

This is much more likely, though I don't see them going to 14 unless they are trying to pad for future departures (UConn).

I suspect that the AAC, MWC, and CUSA will eventually effectively reform as more regional leagues. As much as the remaining schools don't want to admit it, every time they lose a bell cow, the more the remainder looks the same. Hugely perceived differences amongst the remaining fanbase are negligible from the outside.

(07-28-2016 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:20 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  AAC: Loses 3 backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13 and does not backfill.

AAC: Loses 2, no backfill
MWC: Loses one, backfills by 1 from CUSA
CUSA at 13, no backfill

AAC: loses 2, backfills by 2/ loses 3 backfills by 3
MWC: loses one, backfills by 1/ loses 0
CUSA: at 11. perhaps calls up someone from FCS, perhaps no backfills, perhaps can grab one school from Sun Belt.

The AAC loses 3, they will have to do more than just add 1. They would have 10 for football- but only 9 basketball. Bare minimum they would need to add a bball only school.

Also, if CUSA loses just 1 school- it's very possible they would expand back to 14. CUSA with how far flung it is needs travel partners for basketball.

I think the AAC will need to worry about the ESPN TV contract if they lose three teams. Not seeing a "10th" team that stops ESPN from renegotiating the contract for a lower amount or makes the other networks offer to pay more.

(07-28-2016 12:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:40 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:28 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  sorry but basketball isn't going to drive this decision. Memphis in basketball is more of a check the box type of thing- they have competent basketball. The conference already has 7 top 50 teams- and Cincy will be #8(and BYU was only #76).

I never said that it would drive it. However, as I previously stated, Memphis football was a joke before Fuente (and Fuente actually only had two winning seasons there - 2014, 2015. His first two seasons there in 2012 and 2013 were a tough building project). So, a school that only had two winning seasons in recent memory with a coach that is no longer there is driving the bus? Riiiiiiight.

2 things...
1- it's not like UConn has better football.
2- Memphis has light years better geography

I agree with your 2 things. But I have 2 things, too.

2 things...
1 - UConn can bring NYC eyeballs and money. Memphis can't.
2 - UConn brings solid academics. That matters to Texas and Kansas.

I see your 2 things, and raise you FedEx.

Press conference at 10 am Tuesday again this time, just like the Big East announcement?