(07-24-2016 12:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The facts may have been true but that doesnt mean they werent misleading. For example, he said cop deaths are up and used a percentage for effect but if he had used the actual numbers it doesnt sound as fantastic. Also, he used crime numbers which happen to be up this year but over the past twenty years are actually going down.

Is that like when the left talks about how more AA's are shot by cops by whites but leave out that per police contact whites are more likely to be shot?

I get it. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I just hope you're willing tocast as critical an eye to both sides.

Where and when did that happen?

(07-24-2016 09:04 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Incorrect. 100% of illegal immigrants are commiting crime every day. The "other crimes" that they commit are going above and beyond the other bull**** we have to deal with by "natives". Why would you be OK with ANY more criminals?

so you are just a bigot. when your argument states that no matter how much the data supports or disagrees with my opinion that X race/religion etc. is bad, I will still claim X race is bad...that's the literal definition of bigotry.

it's a troll talking point and no legitimate scientific paper would ever present the stats that way. not even trump used that talking point.

thanks for being your stereotypical republican by framing your argument where regardless of what the data says, it will still have the same opinion.

How is any of what I said bigoted? Is illegal immigration not illegal?

you are faulting people who were born into a s**ty situation who risked their lives and faced incredible hardship to make a better lives for themselves as being criminals. you are playing into the same old bigoted bullcrap of having a phobia and being demeaning towards immigrants.

the worst part is that even if they are upstanding citizens who don't commit a single crime, work hard, contribute to society, etc. there is no way they are better than the trailer trash alcoholic who can't hold a job and is a net drain on society.

oh and you forgot that said stat applies to both legal and nonlegal immigrants.

so yes you have earned the title of bigoted.

So..Illegally entering the country and defrauding the US taxpayers are illegal acts.? OK.

Right ? But we should ignore that crime cuz theyre nice.

I guess Canadians could find some things.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/washingt...nc-speech/

(07-24-2016 12:16 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:04 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so you are just a bigot. when your argument states that no matter how much the data supports or disagrees with my opinion that X race/religion etc. is bad, I will still claim X race is bad...that's the literal definition of bigotry.

it's a troll talking point and no legitimate scientific paper would ever present the stats that way. not even trump used that talking point.

thanks for being your stereotypical republican by framing your argument where regardless of what the data says, it will still have the same opinion.

How is any of what I said bigoted? Is illegal immigration not illegal?

you are faulting people who were born into a s**ty situation who risked their lives and faced incredible hardship to make a better lives for themselves as being criminals. you are playing into the same old bigoted bullcrap of having a phobia and being demeaning towards immigrants.

the worst part is that even if they are upstanding citizens who don't commit a single crime, work hard, contribute to society, etc. there is no way they are better than the trailer trash alcoholic who can't hold a job and is a net drain on society.

oh and you forgot that said stat applies to both legal and nonlegal immigrants.

so yes you have earned the title of bigoted.

So..Illegally entering the country and defrauding the US taxpayers are illegal acts.? OK.

Right ? But we should ignore that crime cuz theyre nice.

I thought they were all rapists?

(07-24-2016 11:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 12:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:19 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The facts may have been true but that doesnt mean they werent misleading. For example, he said cop deaths are up and used a percentage for effect but if he had used the actual numbers it doesnt sound as fantastic. Also, he used crime numbers which happen to be up this year but over the past twenty years are actually going down.

Is that like when the left talks about how more AA's are shot by cops by whites but leave out that per police contact whites are more likely to be shot?

I get it. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I just hope you're willing tocast as critical an eye to both sides.

Where and when did that happen?

It happens every time BLM sets the narrative that cops are out there killing unarmed blacks at a rate disproportionate to unarmed whites. When the fact of the matter is if you're unarmed and white you are more likely to be shot when stopped by a cop than if you are unarmed and black.

(07-25-2016 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 12:16 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:04 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How is any of what I said bigoted? Is illegal immigration not illegal?

you are faulting people who were born into a s**ty situation who risked their lives and faced incredible hardship to make a better lives for themselves as being criminals. you are playing into the same old bigoted bullcrap of having a phobia and being demeaning towards immigrants.

the worst part is that even if they are upstanding citizens who don't commit a single crime, work hard, contribute to society, etc. there is no way they are better than the trailer trash alcoholic who can't hold a job and is a net drain on society.

oh and you forgot that said stat applies to both legal and nonlegal immigrants.

so yes you have earned the title of bigoted.

So..Illegally entering the country and defrauding the US taxpayers are illegal acts.? OK.

Right ? But we should ignore that crime cuz theyre nice.

I thought they were all rapists?

#onetimeistoomany

(07-25-2016 10:21 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  It happens every time BLM sets the narrative that cops are out there killing unarmed blacks at a rate disproportionate to unarmed whites. When the fact of the matter is if you're unarmed and white you are more likely to be shot when stopped by a cop than if you are unarmed and black.

The problem with the BLM numbers is that they grossly misuse statistics. Blacks are shot by police at a higher percentage than the black percentage of the total population. That is somehow extrapolated to support the idea that there is some kind of war on blacks. Come on, let's be real here. The number killed is in the low hundreds out of 50-60 million blacks. Seriously, if there were in fact any kind of war going on against blacks, that number would be a lot higher than the low hundreds.

But there's another and bigger problem. The BLM talking points assume that there is only one variable--skin color--and that all other factors are the same. Blacks are shot by police at a LOWER percentage than the percentage of violent crimes committed by blacks. Isn't that a relevant factor? If not, why not? Another way to look at it, the percentage of blacks shot by police is somewhere between the percentage of blacks in the total population and the percentage of violent crimes committed by blacks. Intuitively, that sounds reasonable, about where one would logically expect it to be, without any war on blacks.

One other thing is that we see repeated statements to the effect that blacks don't trust police. Assuming that is true, it almost certainly impacts the levels of respect and compliance in any interaction between blacks and police. Add that the violent crime relationship discussed above means that interactions between blacks and police start off on a more adversarial position more of the time, and it is no surprise that they would tend to escalate more often.

I don't see any way to resolve it except to 1) reduce the levels of violent crime in the black community, and 2) build greater trust between policed the black community. That's why things like the Wichita BBQ seem pretty important steps to me.

If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

How about adding "I dont want anyone to make a rush to judgement until the investigation is over?"

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.
I dont know how much more clear I can be.

You have that now, at least most of the time if not every single time. That's SOP and in many places it's required by law.

Your problem is that you don't like how most of those investigations end, because in most cases they conclude correctly that the shooting was justified.

The only recent publicized case that I'm aware of where I think they got it wrong was the grand jury no-billing the Staten Island strangler. The rest they appear to be getting right, indicting the ones who should be indicted and no-billing the ones where it was justified.

Which results do you take issue with?

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

See the bold - clear as mud. pick a message and stay with it.

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

If that's what you think, that's all you need to say. But you cloud everything with all your other postings. Often contradicting what you just said.

Edit: lol, often as in the same post as BIE pointed out.

(07-25-2016 11:21 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

If that's what you think, that's all you need to say. But you cloud everything with all your other postings. Often contradicting what you just said.

Edit: lol, often as in the same post as BIE pointed out.

Thats becuase some on this forum cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. Just because I dont blame BLM for cop killings doesnt mean I support them.

Just because I want cops investigated doesnt meany Im anti cop.

(07-25-2016 11:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

See the bold - clear as mud. pick a message and stay with it.

Fit have you spotted the difference yet?

(07-21-2016 11:05 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Turns out they are true in the fact check. Lmao.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ium=social

Quote:CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Los Angeles Times‘ Melanie Mason reports that immigration statistics cited by Donald Trump during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention were “basically right,” even if immigration is “flat overall.”

Mason’s verification came on the heels of confirmation by another Times reporter, Seema Mehta, that Trump’s crime numbers were “mostly accurate,” though Mehta went on to argue that “his conclusions are a stretch.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/t...story.html

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/t...story.html

Quote:But he was inaccurate when he said that the number of police officer deaths has risen nearly 50% compared with the same period last year. Although the number of police officers killed by guns has gone up by that amount, the overall number of police officers killed in the line of duty is flat.

This cracked me up because clearly Trump was talking about officers killed in car crashes....

(07-25-2016 11:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:02 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If a white cop kills an unarmed white guy, race wasnt a factor. If a cop of any race kills and unarmed person of any race other than that of the cop, race may have been a factor. Its something that should be independently investigated every time.

The stats say a cops shoot AA's at a rate *lower* than that at which they kill whites.

I do believe every police shooting *is* investigated. The problem for your side, fit, is that generally BLM wants to skip right to sentencing as part of that "independent" investigation.

It's how we ended up with "What do we want, Darren Wilson. How do we want him, Dead" being chanted while the hands up don't shoot narrative was beginning to permeate the media.

When that cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed AA in the back he went to prison. I'm hoping at the very least the cop who shot Castile is done being a police officer and, perhaps worse, if the facts bear out that he overreacted (which I happen to think he did).

I dont support BLM and I do not want anything but an independent investigation every time a cop kills an unarmed person of any race.

I dont know how much more clear I can be.

See the bold - clear as mud. pick a message and stay with it.

Fit have you spotted the difference yet?

Gotta give him a little time Bull. He can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

(07-25-2016 09:15 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Gotta give him a little time Bull. He can't walk and chew gum at the same time.