The Munich shooting was not terror related. Just a young kid who had a mental health problems, and was seeing a professional. It might be time to have laws to lock these people up until they get the help they needed.

(07-22-2016 11:17 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 11:03 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:56 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  How about a few guys like this?

Accountability is the question. One Punisher in today's American society would wreak all sorts of havok, let alone a dozen. The basis of our current system is that everyone wearing the badge answers to someone, the top of that hierarchy being our elected legislators and ultimately the chief himself. I have a feeling that a clandestine police force would only lead to bad things.

I dont totally disagree but the Punisher wasnt the police though. He really had no intention of arresting the REALLY bad guys. The child molestors, serial killers, violent gang members, etc...

The quirks (perhaps faults) of our system bleed through though. Everyone gets a trial, everyone gets the judicial assumption of innocence unless proven guilty, and everyone gets the ability to navigate our judicial system as it *and their lawyers* allow. Would it be easier for the "bad guys" that exist in our society to just get wasted by well-meaning vigilantes? Maybe. But how we operate our judicial system separates us from those that we hold ourselves above. We convict most of the worst offenders and most of the innocent involved by circumstance go free. There is no perfection, but there is no descent into chaos. Anything different from the current system risks that descent into tribalism, clandestine lawlessness, and ultimately the degradation of what our Judicial Branch was founded for.

Again I agree with you to an extent. I think eventually we will see some form of vigilanteism as our judicial processes prove to be more and more corrupt / inept. I cant help but think of how it would apply to gangs (especially illegals @ the border) and situations like the father who killed his sons rapist in Lousiana.

Mark my words native Europeans will start taking the law into their own hands soon. They are being overwhelmed and their politicians arent listening. Dont misunderstand me, I dont think this is the right thing to do but at some point people have had enough.

(07-22-2016 02:06 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

Nothing in the OP's post did anything to remove any liberty. In fact, it would expand liberty.

How long before an underground police force gets used to curb Liberty? It should be a nonstarter for obvious reasons.

Will they be wearing brown shirts?

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

CCW carriers cant carry PERIOD while alcohol in being consumed.

(07-23-2016 12:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

CCW carriers cant carry PERIOD while alcohol in being consumed.

Then we cant eliminate gun free zones

(07-23-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Munich shooting was not terror related. Just a young kid who had a mental health problems, and was seeing a professional. It might be time to have laws to lock these people up until they get the help they needed.

It doe not matter to me if it is terrorism or not. Being able to defend ones self against someone that is trying to commit mass murder is enough....but....yes I have no problem locking up dangerous people while being treated...with a court order.

(07-23-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

CCW carriers cant carry PERIOD while alcohol in being consumed.

Then we cant eliminate gun free zones

Nothing should prohibit a bar owner from allowing his staff to carry concealed or providing armed security.

(07-23-2016 11:50 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:06 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

Nothing in the OP's post did anything to remove any liberty. In fact, it would expand liberty.

How long before an underground police force gets used to curb Liberty? It should be a nonstarter for obvious reasons.

I understand your concern Miko.
Id submit that CCW holders are constitutionally versed more than the average citizen and understand fully how to responsibly carry and use firearms. The fact that there are rare incidents of bad shoots from CCW carriers should indicate the quality of their character.

I'm totally against an underground police force and I believe that barkeeps should be armed and licensed. If people were to just tell the authorities of suspicious going-ons that would help a lot.

Underground police force is tantamount to the old Soviet Union and present day Muslims countries like Iran.

As for a national CCW law I'm 100% for it. One doesn't need to be wary of not knowing one states CCW laws with another state. I don't have any idea why it hasn't been implemented. Let the federal government pass the law. With Trump in office it might be our only chance.

(07-23-2016 12:54 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:50 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:06 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

Nothing in the OP's post did anything to remove any liberty. In fact, it would expand liberty.

How long before an underground police force gets used to curb Liberty? It should be a nonstarter for obvious reasons.

I understand your concern Miko.
Id submit that CCW holders are constitutionally versed more than the average citizen and understand fully how to responsibly carry and use firearms. The fact that there are rare incidents of bad shoots from CCW carriers should indicate the quality of their character.

No doubt that CCW holders are more responsible with their firearms and are in tuned with the constitution. However, I still submit that it wouldn't take much for an underground police force to be used for less than noble purposes. The risk is not worth the benefit.

Now if you are in favor of promoting more people pursuing their CCW and actually carrying their firearms in public, that's a different issue altogether that I could support.

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

Of all the gun free zones out there you choose bars, typical. F'n troll.

(07-23-2016 01:37 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:54 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:50 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:06 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 02:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  No because as scary as the world looks today, you cannot succumb to the temptation to exchange some liberty for a little more security.

Nothing in the OP's post did anything to remove any liberty. In fact, it would expand liberty.

How long before an underground police force gets used to curb Liberty? It should be a nonstarter for obvious reasons.

I understand your concern Miko.
Id submit that CCW holders are constitutionally versed more than the average citizen and understand fully how to responsibly carry and use firearms. The fact that there are rare incidents of bad shoots from CCW carriers should indicate the quality of their character.

No doubt that CCW holders are more responsible with their firearms and are in tuned with the constitution. However, I still submit that it wouldn't take much for an underground police force to be used for less than noble purposes. The risk is not worth the benefit.

Now if you are in favor of promoting more people pursuing their CCW and actually carrying their firearms in public, that's a different issue altogether that I could support.

Im not talking about any type of "organized" underground police force BTW. Im just talking about a Federal(across State line)concealed carry permit that would include more training than what we have now and allowing or soldiers to be included. I think my use of terminology has you spooked. I would not be in favor of any type of organized effort other than the training. I would want it consistent across the board.

(07-23-2016 02:48 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

Of all the gun free zones out there you choose bars, typical. F'n troll.

He's a troll or has Aspergers Syndrome.

(07-23-2016 03:24 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 02:48 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Elimination fo gun free zones? Can you imagine what would happen in bars?

Of all the gun free zones out there you choose bars, typical. F'n troll.

He's a troll or has Aspergers Syndrome.

Or door no.3. He's a dolt.

(07-23-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Then we cant eliminate gun free zones

(07-23-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Munich shooting was not terror related. Just a young kid who had a mental health problems, and was seeing a professional. It might be time to have laws to lock these people up until they get the help they needed.

Prisons are already overcrowded and under staffed.... Adding mental patients would not be smart.

(07-24-2016 07:59 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Munich shooting was not terror related. Just a young kid who had a mental health problems, and was seeing a professional. It might be time to have laws to lock these people up until they get the help they needed.

Prisons are already overcrowded and under staffed.... Adding mental patients would not be smart.

They used to have mental institutions. What happened to those?

(07-24-2016 07:59 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:36 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Munich shooting was not terror related. Just a young kid who had a mental health problems, and was seeing a professional. It might be time to have laws to lock these people up until they get the help they needed.

Prisons are already overcrowded and under staffed.... Adding mental patients would not be smart.

Legalize or decriminalize marijuana and possibly other drugs. Pardon or release those with only NON-VIOLENT drug convictions, and get them the help they need through other delivery methods. Prisons get uncrowded in a hurry.

(07-24-2016 08:14 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  They used to have mental institutions. What happened to those?

They closed. Too expensive to operate, I guess.